Originally posted by Bardock42
So I will get there? I start to like that your God loves me.
You will get there if you admit that you are a sinner and that you need salvation from your sins.
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you will be saved.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveBut that is kinda mean. You know. It doesn't seem that obvious and i doubt most things. I could fake it, but I doubt that Jesus would accept that. Can I decide on Judgement day? cause, when Jesus reveals himself to me, I would readily admit that it is true what he said? Is that a possibility?
You will get there if you admit that you are a sinner and that you need salvation from your sins.If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you will be saved.
Originally posted by Bardock42
But that is kinda mean. You know. It doesn't seem that obvious and i doubt most things. I could fake it, but I doubt that Jesus would accept that. Can I decide on Judgement day? cause, when Jesus reveals himself to me, I would readily admit that it is true what he said? Is that a possibility?
I doubt that Jesus would know. He died 2000 years ago.
Originally posted by Bardock42
But that is kinda mean. You know. It doesn't seem that obvious and i doubt most things. I could fake it, but I doubt that Jesus would accept that. Can I decide on Judgement day? cause, when Jesus reveals himself to me, I would readily admit that it is true what he said? Is that a possibility?
It is written in the Bible that if a person does not believe that Jesus is Who He says that He is (i.e. the Son of God, the Anointed Savior, Lord, etc) that he/she will die in their sins (i.e. in that unforgiven, sinful spiritual condition). But if you do believe in Jesus Christ then your sins are already forgiven. You do not have anything hanging over your head as it were.
So, if you die forgiven of all of your sins you will go to be with the Lord in Heaven. But if you die unforgiven of your sins, then guess who has to pay for those sins? That's right, you. And you will pay for your sins in Hell.
I do not believe that you can decide on Judgment Day because if you are not saved/forgiven of your sins then you are already condemned, there is nothing for you to decide.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is written in the Bible that if a person does not believe that Jesus is Who He says that He is (i.e. the Son of God, the Anointed Savior, Lord, etc) that he/she will die [B]in their sins (i.e. in that unforgiven, sinful spiritual condition). But if you do believe in Jesus Christ then your sins are already forgiven. You do not have anything hanging over your head as it were.So, if you die forgiven of all of your sins you will go to be with the Lord in Heaven. But if you die unforgiven of your sins, then guess who has to pay for those sins? That's right, you. And you will pay for your sins in Hell.
I do not believe that you can decide on Judgment Day because if you are not saved/forgiven of your sins then you are already condemned, there is nothing for you to decide. [/B]
So...basically I am ****ed because my parents didn't tell me from birth on that I have to believe in God? I am ****ed because Science is soo much more useful and accurate than anything the Bible ever said? I am ****ed because God doesn't love me, but is a ****ing *******, that first creates me in the way I am and then makes me get tortured for sins he invented...
Well, **** that, I don't like your God. he is not loving. I am more loving than that prick. I will just make the most of my life now and hope that you are wrong...
Originally posted by Bardock42Great speech.
So...basically I am ****ed because my parents didn't tell me from birth on that I have to believe in God? I am ****ed because Science is soo much more useful and accurate than anything the Bible ever said? I am ****ed because God doesn't love me, but is a ****ing *******, that first creates me in the way I am and then makes me get tortured for sins he invented...Well, **** that, I don't like your God. he is not loving. I am more loving than that prick. I will just make the most of my life now and hope that you are wrong...
Originally posted by Bardock42
So...basically I am ****ed because my parents didn't tell me from birth on that I have to believe in God? I am ****ed because Science is soo much more useful and accurate than anything the Bible ever said? I am ****ed because God doesn't love me, but is a ****ing *******, that first creates me in the way I am and then makes me get tortured for sins he invented...Well, **** that, I don't like your God. he is not loving. I am more loving than that prick. I will just make the most of my life now and hope that you are wrong...
God does love you if He didn't there would be no opportunity for you to go to Heaven.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveHmm.
God does love you if He didn't there would be no opportunity for you to go to Heaven.
You agree that: All sinners go to hell.
You also agree that: We are all sinners.
Therefore, we all go to hell. Don't deny this. We are all sinners who go to hell.
You now say: if He didn't there would be no opportunity for you to go to Heaven.
Therefore God doesn't love us. We are all sinners, that means we all go to hell, that means there is no oppurtunity to go to heaven, that means God doesn't love us.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
If God loved us, there would be no Hell.Someone who loves you does not torture you as a punishment. That is hateful, childish, and immature.
Hell was not created for you, so in a sense there is no Hell.
But guess what? If you do sin, the Bible says that the wages of sin is death. If you don't accept Christ payment for your sins then by default you will pay for your own sins, and Hell is the place of punishment. So don't blame God for going to Hell, it is your own fault. If you didn't want to go to Hell then you shouldn't sin or you should accept Jesus Christ's payment for your sins. By not choosing Jesus you are in essence electing to pay for your own sins. The place of punishment is Hell. Again, don't blame God because He gave you a free will and you exercised that free will as you saw fit. You rejected God's love in favor of God's wrath. You rejected Christ's payment for your sins in favor of you paying for your sins. God gave you a free will and you freely willed or chose to go to Hell. This is your mistake.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Hmm.You agree that: All sinners go to hell.
You also agree that: We are all sinners.Therefore, we all go to hell. Don't deny this. We are all sinners who go to hell.
You now say: if He didn't there would be no opportunity for you to go to Heaven.
Therefore God doesn't love us. We are all sinners, that means we all go to hell, that means there is no oppurtunity to go to heaven, that means God doesn't love us.
What? Your logic is nonsensical and flawed.
Therefore, God does love us because there is an opportunity for us to go to Heaven (that opportunity is made possible by faith in Jesus Christ).
We are all sinners (this is true) but we do not have to remain sinners, we can be righteous. If you remain a sinner then, yes you will go to Helll. But if you get saved you will go to Heaven.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What? Your logic is nonsensical and flawed.Therefore, God [B]does
love us because there is an opportunity for us to go to Heaven (that opportunity is made possible by faith in Jesus Christ).We are all sinners (this is true) but we do not have to remain sinners, we can be righteous. If you remain a sinner then, yes you will go to Helll. But if you get saved you will go to Heaven. [/B]
Just because someone does not agree with you, does not mean their logic is flawed. Even if their logic was flawed, the fact of their error does not legitimise your error.