- Good Vs Evil -

I think there's a cycle. I don't beleive in a "Final Victory" for good, evil, or neutral.

Before I continue let me clarify my beleifs, to make the rest of my argument easier to follow, cuz i tend to confuse people a lot:

1) I beleive that good, evil, and neutrality all exist. I also beleive that a LACK of good, evil, or neutrality can also exist in specific instances.

2) I beleive that anything that goes against our natural desire to unify is evil/bad. I beleive that all Social Creatures, especially human beings, are born with the urge to not only "fit in" but be with someone, i do not belevie that anyone truly likes to be alone, or truly likes to be in conflict.

3) Ergo, i beleive that Conflict is ultamately a result of our inability to see past fears, differences, and biases and failure to Unify. This is not to suggest that Conflict is avoidable, or that disunity is ALL our faults. Circumstances are sometimes stronger than choice.

4) Finally, I beleive that Ultamate Evils to be those of inflicting Murder, Torture, or Control over another person. To me, these 3 are the top.

Okay, having stated that:

Although I do not respect Evil, or its possible "role" in any balance, I do beleive that it is undeniably a part of our existance, and not something that we are capable of erradicating, only limitting.

It seems to me there are cycles of good and bad, i.e. periods of peace and war, periods of pleasure and pain, periods of understanding and ignorance, etc.etc.etc.

As "good" as things can get (for example the raising of social equality and civil rights) things can get JUST as bad, if not worse (the rise of hurricanes and effects of global warming). I beleive the same goes for people. I beleive that people use up peace and violence, that people use up unity and disunity.

Once people start taking unity for granted, they start giving in to the pleasures of harming another person and feeling superior. Once people realize how destructive, harmful, and pointless disunity is, they try going back to achieving unity, and then back to disunity, and again and again....we as a human race need to mature lol

Originally posted by Bardock42
So basically you say everyone decides what is good or evil for themself.....I agree.

But is he asking which is actually winning (with that assuming there is an absolute good and evil) or which we as individuals believe to be stronger in the world we live in (subjectively)

Murder. Everyone straight away thinks it's bad. But is it?

It really depends on who the culprit and victim are, the effects of the murder and what would have happened if the murder had not been commited.

Same goes for a lie.

After all, Benito Mussolini was murdered.

Realistically their is no 'good' or 'evil' .

Their are people whom have warped maidens whom believe what their doing is perfectly correct and fine , and then their are just the psychopaths whom can't help themselves.

But if we DO want to think about this realistically then Evil will most certainly win. Mainly because good won't jump to extremes such as nuking the hero and the surrounding occupant with a 500 megaton bomb.

It all comes down to who's more cunning.

right,wrong,good and evil are just limitations we put upon ourselves. We are simply animals who were born without those limitations,and after years of being exposed to society and others' beliefs, we think that these four choices actually exist when they don't. In different countries right,wrong,good and evil are different to them. In the Middle East, it isn't considered wrong to have 10 wives. Here it is. It isn't considered wrong to blow yourself up and take countless lives with you for your beliefs.

IMO

Neither would win...They're both a necessary part of the world....It's an age old battle, and it'll stay like that till time ends.

If everyone agrees that good and evil are oppinions and no one can decide which is better, why are still posting in this dumb thread?

Ah the age old battle of Moral Absolutism and Moral Relativism...

Personally I go with Moral Absolutism because there is no way you can convince me that things such as rape is not an evil and disgusting act.

Originally posted by Arcana
Ah the age old battle of Moral Absolutism and Moral Relativism...

Personally I go with Moral Absolutism because there is no way you can convince me that things such as rape is not an evil and disgusting act.

Why are they absolutely disgusting acts though?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why are they absolutely disgusting acts though?

Originally posted by Arcana
Do I really need to answer this? Are you trying to tell me that rape is not disgusting? If you never have I suggest you speak with a woman who has experienced rape. Rape is sicking and disgusting, good or evil aside.

Sickening and disgusting to you, right?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sickening and disgusting to you, right?

But not to you. Rape, Torture, and any other gruesomely painful action is neutral to you.

Wow...I'm sure as hell Glad, YOU aint President 😆

to quote the king of knowing which way to go (i.e Bender) "Good, Evil, they're both fine choises." or if thats not good enough, Billy West (as god) "Good and Evil are just words, its what you DO that matters"

hmm

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But not to you. Rape, Torture, and any other gruesomely painful action is neutral to you.

Wow...I'm sure as hell Glad, YOU aint President 😆

Yeah, well, no...they are not neutral to me, they are sickening and disgusting to me...but they are neutral on an absolute scale. You need to get the difference.

Indeed, good points.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
To be quite honest Comic books captures a fictional image of good and evil very well.

Fictional, yes. Do you think the world is easily defined as ”good” and ”evil” like in a comic book?

Originally posted by Arcana
Ah the age old battle of Moral Absolutism and Moral Relativism...

Personally I go with Moral Absolutism because there is no way you can convince me that things such as rape is not an evil and disgusting act.

The ACT, yes. But does that necessarily mean the perpetrator is EVIL?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But not to you. Rape, Torture, and any other gruesomely painful action is neutral to you.

Wow...I'm sure as hell Glad, YOU aint President 😆

Why do you jump to this conclusion? Bardock is asking WHY a poster finds rape absolutely disgusting.
The poster does not answer this, but immediately attacks Bardock as if he had some strange views.

The Universe does not come equipped with morals. WE - humans - have defined morals. Therefore I find Bardocks question interesting... and the answers equally... interesting...

Originally posted by The Omega
Fictional, yes. Do you think the world is easily defined as ”good” and ”evil” like in a comic book?

Did you read a lot of comic books?

Some really are interesting portrayals of "good" and "evil" and the scales in between. I'm particularly thinking about Watchmen and Hellblazer comics. It's just another medium, so if it can be portrayed in books and films chances are it also happens in Comics. Of course there are rather simple black white ones as well. I guess you are referring to those.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Did you read a lot of comic books?

Some really are interesting portrayals of "good" and "evil" and the scales in between. I'm particularly thinking about Watchmen and Hellblazer comics. It's just another medium, so if it can be portrayed in books and films chances are it also happens in Comics. Of course there are rather simple black white ones as well. I guess you are referring to those.

Was quite the Xmen fan a few years ago.
My problem with the "good" and "evil" in fiction is, that it is FICTIONAL. The hero and the villain are defined by the author, and often the portraits of them border on charicatures (sp?).
Especially in mainstream entertainment the hero is absolutely good and the villain absolutely evil -

Originally posted by The Omega
The Universe does not come equipped with morals. WE - humans - have defined morals. Therefore I find Bardocks question interesting... and the answers equally... interesting...

I fully understand your reasoning, but I must disagree with you.

1) You do not KNOW for certain if morals are just made up. You do not for sure if good and evil does not exist, you only believe this to be the "reality" of existance.

2) It seems to me that you suggest that the only things that truly exist are the physical, and that all mental existances are false/flawed/invalid/or non existant if they are not universally accepted. The mental/emotional existances are just as true as the physical ones. 😉

3) Again since this is beleif vs beleif, neither of us can argue in absolutes or in terms of "fact". I beleive Morality to be both subjective AND intuitive. Intuitive meaning specifically coming from a source other than our concious minds/realm of opinion. If you would like me to extensively elaborate, I'd be happy 2 🙂