Originally posted by quanchi112
Then later in a she hulk comic it is stated that clones can fool anyone.
And then when the Darkseid avatar retcon came into play it was made clear that any time Darkseid lost it was an Avatar (because the real Darkseid couldn't be beaten physically).
And yet you'll take one's word for it, but not the other.
Thats pure bias.
Originally posted by DesaadThat was Darkseid himself speaking. he has lost before physically to Superman before as well. That in itself throws out that weak theory that he cant be beaten physically. Ds himself in death of the new gods stated that Superman is a rival also trouncing that weak theory of Ds's.
And then when the Darkseid avatar retcon came into play it was made clear that any time Darkseid lost it was an Avatar (because the real Darkseid couldn't be beaten physically).And yet you'll take one's word for it, but not the other.
Thats pure bias.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He doesnt seek items of ultimate power anymore. Havent you read the end or annihilation wave.
I have, and currently he is dead but where did he state he won't gather items again? I'm generally curious, as I don't recall. Also the christmas special was before Annihilation anyways
Originally posted by quanchi112
That was Darkseid himself speaking. he has lost before physically to Superman before as well. That in itself throws out that weak theory that he cant be beaten physically. Ds himself in death of the new gods stated that Superman is a rival also trouncing that weak theory of Ds's.
... Did you read what you just said? The Watcher detected the real Thanos via his cosmic senses, and yet you're using a comment that they can fool "anyone" (which could be a figure of speech that doesn't apply to entities of higher cosmic status) to dispute that. Now, when it's stated that the difference between the avatars and Darkseid is that the avatars can lose, you're using Darkseid's losses to Superman to mean the real DS can lose, as opposed to taking the avatar's comment to mean that the being that lost to Superman was an avatar.
This is a clear double standard.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan👆
... Did you read what you just said? The Watcher detected the real Thanos via his cosmic senses, and yet you're using a comment that they can fool "anyone" (which could be a figure of speech that doesn't apply to entities of higher cosmic status) to dispute that. Now, when it's stated that the difference between the avatars and Darkseid is that the avatars can lose, you're using Darkseid's losses to Superman to mean the real DS can lose, as opposed to taking the avatar's comment to mean that the being that lost to Superman was an avatar.This is a clear double standard.
Happens to a lot of DC characters. Particularly those closely related to the Superman mythos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That was Darkseid himself speaking.
According to your logic as applied to Thanos, it wasn't Darkseid at all. That was just a Darkseid avatar.
he has lost before physically to Superman before as well.
First of all, no he hadn't. Action 586 was retconned back in v2 into being Desaad. At that point, Darkseid had never lost to Superman.
Second of all, even if it hadn't been retconned into being Desaad, it STILL wouldn't count because by your logic it was just a Darkseid avatar.
That in itself throws out that weak theory that he cant be beaten physically. Ds himself in death of the new gods stated that Superman is a rival also trouncing that weak theory of Ds's.
And Thanos has said he didn't want to mess with the Hulk, and he's been cut by Wolverine's claws.
It happens.
Originally posted by King_MungiYes the christmas special was before annihilation and after the end. Thanos had been there and done that with regards to items of ultimate power. In his annihilation bio nothing was mentioned about his stint with Sg.
I have, and currently he is dead but where did he state he won't gather items again? I'm generally curious, as I don't recall. Also the christmas special was before Annihilation anyways
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanI thought the she hulk writer and the sg writer were one in the same.
... Did you read what you just said? The Watcher detected the real Thanos via his cosmic senses, and yet you're using a comment that they can fool "anyone" (which could be a figure of speech that doesn't apply to entities of higher cosmic status) to dispute that. Now, when it's stated that the difference between the avatars and Darkseid is that the avatars can lose, you're using Darkseid's losses to Superman to mean the real DS can lose, as opposed to taking the avatar's comment to mean that the being that lost to Superman was an avatar.This is a clear double standard.
Darkseid just stated this on his own and thus far it hasnt been proven. Think about it. Doomsday almost killed an avatar. Superman beat down an avatar when he challenged Darkseid. Nope it was the real deal.
Originally posted by DesaadNo my logic says that Darkseid lost as it makes perfect sense. He is a villain perpetuating his power....villains do it all the time. Darkseid wasnt acting out of character as Thanos was in the sg story........What does Thanos being cut by Wolverine or his comment about the Hulk have to do with anything. When did he say he was impervious to Wolverines claws.
According to your logic as applied to Thanos, it wasn't Darkseid at all. That was just a Darkseid avatar.First of all, no he hadn't. Action 586 was retconned back in v2 into being Desaad. At that point, Darkseid had never lost to Superman.
Second of all, even if it hadn't been retconned into being Desaad, it STILL wouldn't count because by your logic it was just a Darkseid avatar.
And Thanos has said he didn't want to mess with the Hulk, and he's been cut by Wolverine's claws.
It happens.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No my logic says that Darkseid lost as it makes perfect sense. He is a villain perpetuating his power....villains do it all the time. Darkseid wasnt acting out of character as Thanos was in the sg story........What does Thanos being cut by Wolverine or his comment about the Hulk have to do with anything. When did he say he was impervious to Wolverines claws.
LMAO, this Thanos wanking is to funny. Anyhow it's time to bring back some logic and reasoning to this thread. Supes takes out Thor, DS takes out Thanos and Warlock takes out SS. Close thread.
Originally posted by The Great GalenThis from the guy that said Supes could beat Odin. Supes takes out Thor you are right but Thanos takes out glassjawed Darkseid. Surfer takes out Warlock.
LMAO, this Thanos wanking is to funny. Anyhow it's time to bring back some logic and reasoning to this thread. Supes takes out Thor, DS takes out Thanos and Warlock takes out SS. Close thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This from the guy that said Supes could beat Odin. Supes takes out Thor you are right but Thanos takes out glassjawed Darkseid. Surfer takes out Warlock.
This isn't "glass-jawed darkseid". This is the Darksied that absorbs pantheons and owns abstracts. The one that mindcontrols billions of daxamites, and oneshots precrisis kryptonians. He would rape thanos until he begged to die.
Originally posted by Sirius77He didnt mindcontrol daxamites. That is gds and isnt canon to current Ds. This is the same Darkseid who was thrown into the source wall...the same one who begged Superman to stop beating on him in apokolips now....the same one embarrassed by Doomsday....same one that Raker took a shovel to. 😛
This isn't "glass-jawed darkseid". This is the Darksied that absorbs pantheons and owns abstracts. The one that mindcontrols billions of daxamites, and oneshots precrisis kryptonians. He would rape thanos until he begged to die.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt mindcontrol daxamites. That is gds and isnt canon to current Ds. This is the same Darkseid who was thrown into the source wall...the same one who begged Superman to stop beating on him in apokolips now....the same one embarrassed by Doomsday....same one that Raker took a shovel to. 😛
Read the first page. This is precrisis Darkseid.
And, as always, you bring up low feats, and misconstrue others.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestDarksie didnt kill him. It is the way Darkseid lost that is embarrassing. Doomsday went through everyone but for Ds to not get one blow in is what makes it sad. Tyrant went through everyone he faced and easily but Thanos didnt go down like some bich. He left on his own terms while Darkseid had to be saved by Superman.
I don't know why Doomsday is a low showing. He's among the strongest bricks in comics. And Darkseid was the only one to get a kill on him through the entire Hunter/Prey storyline.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its the same Darkseid. We dont count future showings to characters anyways. If it doesnt have gds in the thread then we cant use this Darkseid friend. 😉
Show me the rules and I'll believe you. gds was canon in precrisis. Also what does canon or non canon have to do with this? The title says precrisis Darkseid.