Originally posted by quanchi112Lol you trying to validate that feat, when your constantly trying to declare the Great darkness saga as non-canon. Catching you being a hypocrite is easier than catching air with a sack.
Why was it referenced in his own series then.Did you read his bio in annihilation wheere it says he was a reality ender pretty much. It was referring to him ending reality in marvels the end.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomGds was in the future. The end was referneced in his own series and in his annihilation bio. How much more do you need? When was gds mentioned as being canon to current Ds? Kinda cancels out the fifth world stuff doesnt it. Think about it..... 😉
Lol you trying to validate that feat, when your constantly trying to declare the Great darkness saga as non-canon. Catching you being a hypocrite is easier than catching air with a sack.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Getting back on topic, here is how this battle goes down.Superman vs Thor: They might be peers in strength and Thor may have better versatility but in the end Supes speed would determine the outcome....not much more to this battle aside from supes speedblitzing thor and picking up the win.
Darkseid vs Thanos: DS opperates on a high level then Thanos, he beats him down via mindrape.
I can give SS and Adam a split but it wont matter, thats 2 vs 1 and SS is not taking on Supes and DS at once. Team 1 10/10
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gds was in the future.
Right, but Darkseid stated that he was less powerful in that future than he was in the past (Our present).
The end was referneced in his own series and in his annihilation bio. How much more do you need? When was gds mentioned as being canon to current Ds?
Geoff Johns has made the nature of this Legion of Superheroes clear. Everything before Magic Wars is canon again. GDS included.
Kinda cancels out the fifth world stuff doesnt it. Think about it..... 😉
No, it doesn't, since you don't know how that will end.
But from what we know about the retcon, it would precisely allow something like GDS to exist in continuity, since that would be explained as an avatar.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He basically said no matter how many times he became ultra powerful he found it wanting. The pretty much told you this in marvels the end. But it seems you are the kind of reader that wants things spelled out for you word for word. I backed up my claims. You can choose to disagree.
Ridiculous.
In Annihilation he was helping Annihilus enslave the universe, created the giant Galactus gun.
Clearly he wasn't about to just play all nice.
And even in She-Hulk, he was trying to bring down his brother with a clone, so again he's hardly gone good.
Sorry, Thanos is/was/will always be a bit of a evil guy and going after items of power, while not immediately the most important thing to him, is always a possibility.
That was the real Thanos. All evidence points it it as such. Either admit that, or admit that your stretch of a stance has to apply to the Darkseid/Avatar retcon from Byrne's JK4W.
You can't have it both ways.
Originally posted by DesaadWhether or not gds is indeed canon as dc changes their minds way to much that doesnt mean its canon to current Ds. Thats the whole point as we dont include future showinsgfor current characters. He also absorbed powers from other being and was clearly more powerful than he generally is. It was indeed a high showing but its not canon to current Ds, as it hasnt occurred yet.
Right, but Darkseid stated that he was less powerful in that future than he was in the past (Our present).Geoff Johns has made the nature of this Legion of Superheroes clear. Everything before Magic Wars is canon again. GDS included.
No, it doesn't, since you don't know how that will end.
But from what we know about the retcon, it would precisely allow something like GDS to exist in continuity, since that would be explained as an avatar.
Originally posted by DesaadI never said he became a good guy but that he wasnt out searching for powerful artifacts. In annihilation he wasnt out looking for any artifacts but instead said he grew bored wit the same life cycles and wanted to spice things up by allying himself with someone familiar with Death. W
Ridiculous.In Annihilation he was helping Annihilus enslave the universe, created the giant Galactus gun.
Clearly he wasn't about to just play all nice.
And even in She-Hulk, he was trying to bring down his brother with a clone, so again he's hardly gone good.
Sorry, Thanos is/was/will always be a bit of a evil guy and going after items of power, while not immediately the most important thing to him, is always a possibility.
That was the real Thanos. All evidence points it it as such. Either admit that, or admit that your stretch of a stance has to apply to the Darkseid/Avatar retcon from Byrne's JK4W.
You can't have it both ways.
When he found out was he was up to he turned on him immediately. 🙂
" Whether or not gds is indeed canon as dc changes their minds way to much that doesnt mean its canon to current Ds. Thats the whole point as we dont include future showinsgfor current characters. He also absorbed powers from other being and was clearly more powerful than he generally is. It was indeed a high showing but its not canon to current Ds, as it hasnt occurred yet."
God ****ing damn it, how many times do we have to tell you? Darkseid was WEAKER in GDS than he is normally. He himself, and several other characters commented on his powers being less than what it was. The whole point of the story was that draining the power from Mordru and the Controller did not bring him back up to full power. 😒
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
" Whether or not gds is indeed canon as dc changes their minds way to much that doesnt mean its canon to current Ds. Thats the whole point as we dont include future showinsgfor current characters. He also absorbed powers from other being and was clearly more powerful than he generally is. It was indeed a high showing but its not canon to current Ds, as it hasnt occurred yet."God ****ing damn it, how many times do we have to tell you? Darkseid was WEAKER in GDS than he is normally. He himself, and several other characters commented on his powers being less than what it was. The whole point of the story was that draining the power from Mordru and the Controller did not bring him back up to full power. 😒
Whether or not that's true...
What does that have to do with Quan objecting to it's canonicity?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestHe still performed awesome feats that we havent seen the current version thus far replicate. Maybe he wasnt as powerful as current Ds but that doesnt mean his powers stayed the same now does it.
" Whether or not gds is indeed canon as dc changes their minds way to much that doesnt mean its canon to current Ds. Thats the whole point as we dont include future showinsgfor current characters. He also absorbed powers from other being and was clearly more powerful than he generally is. It was indeed a high showing but its not canon to current Ds, as it hasnt occurred yet."God ****ing damn it, how many times do we have to tell you? Darkseid was WEAKER in GDS than he is normally. He himself, and several other characters commented on his powers being less than what it was. The whole point of the story was that draining the power from Mordru and the Controller did not bring him back up to full power. 😒
Originally posted by Soljer
Whether or not that's true...What does that have to do with Quan objecting to it's canonicity?
Nothing. just correcting an ignorant opinion. I'm not even gonna try to argue the canonicity of GDS. The Legion's continuity and canonicity is a pain for anyone to figure out. shocklaugh
Though, if you really want to know whether it's canon, ask Val. He's the resident legion fanatic, he'd know.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSo you call me ignorant and therefore respond by saying ask someone ask because you yourself are ignorant on the subject. 😬
Nothing. just correcting an ignorant opinion. I'm not even gonna try to argue the canonicity of GDS. The Legion's continuity and canonicity is a pain for anyone to figure out. shocklaughThough, if you really want to know whether it's canon, ask Val. He's the resident legion fanatic, he'd know.
1. Darksied and Thanos stay back to see what happens.
2. Surfer >>>>>>>>Superman right off the bat.
He is a horrible matchup for Superman any way you slice it.
If Surfer doesn't choose to simply screw with Superman's Kryptonian dna/makeup, he either drains him of solar energy... or scans him for abilities and weaknesses then proceeds to (K-nite/RedSun etc) the hell out of him ...completely removing him from this fight.
3. Thor solo's Warlock.
4. Thanos sensing the tide re-enters the fray. Surfer stays back to feed/repair any damage Thor recieves. Thanos amps himself and teams up with Thor to utterly pwn Darksied...causing him to flee if he has any wits whatsoever.
Team 2 takes this 10/10.
Actually this is how it really happens:
1. Supes takes out Thor right off the bat
2. Warlock and Sufer go at it
3. Darkseid mind rapes Thanos and destroys him with a full power OE
4. Sufer defeats Warlock and then faces Supes
5. Sufer gets a slight uperhand agaisnt Supes but is unable to finish him off
6. DS then enters and oneshots SS
Team 1 10/10
Originally posted by quanchi112
Whether or not gds is indeed canon as dc changes their minds way to much that doesnt mean its canon to current Ds.
Translation: I don't actually know what I'm talking about, so I am going to make up some sort of nebulous excuse and hope that no one notices.
Thats the whole point as we dont include future showinsgfor current characters.
If they are alternate futures we don't.
Since we know that this showing is in continuity now, what we can say is that GDS Darkseid's comments about him being "less powerful" in the future than he was in the past (after enslaving 3 billion daxamites, putting Mon-El in a coma, defeating a Controller and Mordru, etc etc) we can extrapolate that the writer intended to show that Darkseid was in fact more powerful than this showing would lead one to believe.
He also absorbed powers from other being and was clearly more powerful than he generally is.
Quite the opposite.
"My power has WANED in this century".
It was indeed a high showing but its not canon to current Ds, as it hasnt occurred yet.
But the direct comparison to current Darkseid was made, and that is enough to say that yes this version of Darkseid was less powerful than current, and therefore - according to that showing - anything that was done here could be replicated by "classic" Darkseid.