Superman-Darksied-Warlock vs Thor-Silver Surfer-Thanos

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wonder Woman has a peice of he soul in Darkseid which all likely is the reason she could do that, also Superman did not defeat a full powered Omega Beam.

As noted by Darkseid he doesn't often use the full omega beam as a form of honour due to the code of combat of New Gods

WW bracelets deflected it and your just speculating on whether it has to do with her containing a portion of his soul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He used the omega effect. When did it state in the comic that he didnt use the full force.

WW bracelets deflected it and your just speculating on whether it has to do with her containing a portion of his soul.

Yeah and he can control how powerful it is, as he has even used the Omega Effect as an energy beam before 😬 Also the scan I just shows Darkseid has control over how potent he makes the beams

and arn't you doing the same? Also considering the braclets are indestructable...meh?!

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah and he can control how powerful it is, as he has even used the Omega Effect as an energy beam before 😬 Also the scan I just shows Darkseid has control over how potent he makes the beams

and arn't you doing the same? Also considering the braclets are indestructable...meh?!

All we know is WW did deflect his beams right back into his domepiece. Omega effect isnt what it used to be. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you cant prove he held back any. Darkseid can be idiotic but to say he toned down the omega effect for Superman in this battle is preposterous.

All we know is WW did deflect his beams right back into his domepiece. Omega effect isnt what it used to be. 😉

Actually the burden of proof is on you as I have shown DS showing a level of control with his OE. Show me proof it was a full power OE 😬 Actually as I mentioned Darkseid holds back [OE] due to the code of New Gods in combat. We have seen the Omega Beam incinerate people stronger and more powerful then Superman, so...ta da?

Ummm..what? Not really as in Young Justice he depowered Secret, and sent Slo-bo to the DC 1,000,000 timeline and turned him into a living statue forever.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Team two takes this with RIDICULOUS ease. The Silver Surfer's powerset is superior to many skyfather level characters in versatility, it's just that he's strait up less powerful than they are. Give the guy the Power Gem, and suddenly that gap disappears. Pre-Crisis Supes would go down to a single blast of Kryptonite(PC Supes had virtually no resistance to K-nite) and DS would be in the same boat with his vulnerability to Radion. Throw in Thanos with another Power Gem, and this fight becomes a stomp in team two's favor.

Are you serious? You think that one power gem will suddenly give him the boost he needs to take out someone that almost took out several dimensions with his speed alone, and could only be stoppedby the source empowered specter? No. Just no. Precrisis Superman will one-shot surfer before he can access his powers.

And what is thanos going to do to precrisis darkseid? The guy that pwns pantheons and abstrcts under his own power and then takes their powers, and boosts his own. He swats precrisis kryptonian level beings like flies and mindrapes six billion daxamites like its childs play. Thanos is not doing anything to him.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Are you serious? You think that one power gem will suddenly give him the boost he needs to take out someone that almost took out several dimensions with his speed alone, and could only be stoppedby the source empowered specter? No. Just no. Precrisis Superman will one-shot surfer before he can access his powers.

And besides, for every good showing you have for PC Supes there's an equally crappy one. On average he really wasn't all that much more impressive than current Supes in fact.

Originally posted by Sirius77

And what is thanos going to do to precrisis darkseid? The guy that pwns pantheons and abstrcts under his own power and then takes their powers, and boosts his own. He swats precrisis kryptonian level beings like flies and mindrapes six billion daxamites like its childs play. Thanos is not doing anything to him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Question, where are Pre-Crisis Supes's uber combat speed feats? I hear about the dimension thing all the time, but as Supes fans are apt to point out in Surfer threads, travel speed and combat speed are two entirely different things. If the Power Gem can amp Thor to the point that he can trade shots with Thanos, then I think it's safe to say that it'll amp Surfer's durability enough for him to last until he downs Supes with a single blast of K-nite.

Well, I just randomly got this one from the first page... is this what you were talking about?

Originally posted by darthgoober
And besides, for every good showing you have for PC Supes there's an equally crappy one. On average he really wasn't all that much more impressive than current Supes in fact.

One could say the same of surfer. The fact is Precrisis supermans high feats outwiegh pretty much anything that the surfer has done. We can argue low feats all day and pull out scans of bottles and gorilas and black panthers and bricks, but I'd rather not. 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
Thanos is probably more proficient with the Power Gem then anyone else living. Pretty much anything DS throws at Thanos can be turned back on him.

It doesnt matter. Darkseid took out two abstract level beings on the fly, under his own power. Thanos can't compete with that. Even with the power gem, thanos wont be enough to take out this darkseid.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Well, I just randomly got this one from the first page... is this what you were talking about?

Because Flash ALWAYS fights to the best of his ability right? I can show you scans of Surfer dodging Thor's hammer(that's been clocked at 3x lightspeed) but if I did would you automatically assume that the hammer was moving at it's top speed?

Originally posted by Sirius77

One could say the same of surfer. The fact is Precrisis supermans high feats outwiegh pretty much anything that the surfer has done. We can argue low feats all day and pull out scans of bottles and gorilas and black panthers and bricks, but I'd rather not. 🙂

Originally posted by Sirius77

It doesnt matter. Darkseid took out two abstract level beings on the fly, under his own power. Thanos can't compete with that. Even with the power gem, thanos wont be enough to take out this darkseid.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Well if we disregard all but the highest of Surfer's showings, then we go by his punking a Watcher, beating the Stranger, taking down Tenebris and Aegis, and beating the Uni-Lord. I think that compares with the feats of PC Supes.

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Originally posted by Juntai
Supes just slaps him to the dawn of time.

😎

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer comes back via time travel 😉 .

And Surfer's not as good with time travel as Supes is. Maybe the power gem will help with that though?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Because Flash ALWAYS fights to the best of his ability right? I can show you scans of Surfer dodging Thor's hammer(that's been clocked at 3x lightspeed) but if I did would you automatically assume that the hammer was moving at it's top speed?

Flash is alot faster than 3 times light speed. Aand this isnt the current flash. This is the precrisis one. The same one that searched the universe for specter (literally).

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if we disregard all but the highest of Surfer's showings, then we go by his punking a Watcher, beating the Stranger, taking down Tenebris and Aegis, and beating the Uni-Lord. I think that compares with the feats of PC Supes.

In the tenebrous and aegis feat, he literally almost died and was missing a leg and both his arms, and his skin was falling off revealing his muscle...

Anyway, those showings are impressive, but they are in no way above precrisis supermans feats. Go to the respect thread if you dont believe me. He has beaten abstract entities before.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What two abstract level beings and what story?

The time trapper and Mordu. "Legion of Superheroes: The Great Darkness Saga" Its a really good read. Itsridiculous, but its awesome, lol.

Originally posted by Juntai
He hypnotizes surfer with his belt, and tells him to gtfo.
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And Surfer's not as good with time travel as Supes is. Maybe the power gem will help with that though?

He doesn't have to be as good, he just has to get back the battlefield.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Flash is alot faster than 3 times light speed. Aand this isnt the current flash. This is the precrisis one. The same one that searched the universe for specter (literally).

And Surfer also fought a guy who had the power of Gladiator(who can move so fast he can account for time dilation) 😉 .

Originally posted by Sirius77

In the tenebrous and aegis feat, he literally almost died and was missing a leg and both his arms, and his skin was falling off revealing his muscle...

Anyway, those showings are impressive, but they are in no way above precrisis supermans feats. Go to the respect thread if you dont believe me. He has beaten abstract entities before.

Those ARE abstract level entities, so Supes still isn't ahead. They're highest feats are in the same ballpark(though Supes does have a slight edge), but Surfer has access to Supes's weaknesses. One shot of Gold K-nite and Supes is powerless.

Originally posted by Sirius77

The time trapper and Mordu. "Legion of Superheroes: The Great Darkness Saga" Its a really good read. Itsridiculous, but its awesome, lol.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so you're willing to admit that Surfer has 3x lightspeed reflexes based on his dodging Thor's hammer?

lol, you must have me confused with someone else. Logic would say that he would have to have something to guide him through space at faster than light speeds, perhaps its cosmic awreness, perhaps its reflexes, who knows? All we can do is guess. I never said that surfer didnt have fast reflexes, I just agree with the fact that he doesnt have amazing combat speed or many speedblitzes under his belt.

Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]And Surfer also fought a guy who had the power of Gladiator(who can move so fast he can account for time dilation) 😉 .

Thats great. 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer was also messed up BEFORE he channeled the energies of the Crunch.

lol. No he wasnt. I have that comic, he was practically on roid rage, lol. He was on a cosmic adrenaline rush, thats why he was rushing to tenebrous and aegis so eagerly. Thats what that whole little "I will HOLD them!" monologue was about.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Those ARE abstract level entities, so Supes still isn't ahead. They're highest feats are in the same ballpark(though Supes does have a slight edge), but Surfer has access to Supes's weaknesses. One shot of Gold K-nite and Supes is powerless.

He beat tenebrous and aegis on a tecnicality. If the crunch was not there, he would been killed.

The stranger and watcher, I have no idea about those, but do you mind posting some scans?

And no, their highest feats are not in the same ballpark. Surfer can't hold the energy of a sun. Precrisis superman blows them out. Surfer makes black holes, Precrisis superman is capable of ending realities. Theres really no comparison imo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Future timeline. Invalid under forum rules.

Grasping...

Well, if you would like to disregard that, fine. Its still a feat, and its still canon. He has some other very good ones also. Visit the respect thread.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually the burden of proof is on you as I have shown DS showing a level of control with his OE. Show me proof it was a full power OE 😬 Actually as I mentioned Darkseid holds back [OE] due to the code of New Gods in combat. We have seen the Omega Beam incinerate people stronger and more powerful then Superman, so...ta da?

Ummm..what? Not really as in Young Justice he depowered Secret, and sent Slo-bo to the DC 1,000,000 timeline and turned him into a living statue forever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The oe was used and failed. I dont have to prove anything to you. He said he used the omega effect and Supes jus got out of it. Ds wasnt supposed to use the omega effect against Orion in thier battle but he did didnt he? 🙂

Wrong, and I have showed scans of using the OE in less potent levels. You can't prove it was full power, so your arguement "I don't have to prove anything to you" is a way to avoid the issue.

You mean the time he did it on purpose so he could pretend Orion killed him, so in turn would become evil himself? Hmmm..context much?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wrong, and I have showed scans of using the OE in less potent levels. You can't prove it was full power, so your arguement "I don't have to prove anything to you" is a way to avoid the issue.

You mean the time he did it on purpose so he could pretend Orion killed him, so in turn would become evil himself? Hmmm..context much?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He broke the rules to fool everyone which proves he will break the code if it suits him. Cant you see that?

Broke what rules? As all the OE he shot out was a teleporting beam not an incinerating beam. He never wanted or even intended to kill Orion. Wow.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Broke what rules? As all the OE he shot out was a teleporting beam not an incinerating beam. He never wanted or even intended to kill Orion. Wow.