Originally posted by roughrider
I don't know - wouldn't Anti-Monitor alone be a good matchup against the Tribunal? He stalemated the Spectre (powered up by all of Earth's mystics) and put him in a coma.
Tribunal was able to recreate Eternity by merely snapping his fingers during when Warlock had the Infinity Gauntlet. Anti-monitor takes time and technology to destroy each universe. LT is clearly on a whole other level of power.
As I understand it, the Living Tribunal is beyond the multiverse, this means that no character -not even Myx- has been shown destroying him besides Thanos with thotu. There is the misconception that the LT would be destroyed if you are able to destroy all reality, this is just not the case -if it was, destroying multieternity would mean destroying the tribunal.
The LT is on the level of the Specter fully backed up by God, any showing that loses to anything is clearly a lesser incarnation of the Specter and thus weaker than the tribunal. It goes without saying that the Antimonitor cannot fight such being.
Originally posted by Bentley
As I understand it, the Living Tribunal is beyond the multiverse, this means that no character -not even Myx- has been shown destroying him besides Thanos with thotu. There is the misconception that the LT would be destroyed if you are able to destroy all reality, this is just not the case -if it was, destroying multieternity would mean destroying the tribunal.The LT is on the level of the Specter fully backed up by God, any showing that loses to anything is clearly a lesser incarnation of the Specter and thus weaker than the tribunal. It goes without saying that the Antimonitor cannot fight such being.
^^QFT. If the Anti-Monitor was as powerful as Living Tribunal, the whole Infinity Crisis would have lasted about 1 page in a comic book.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
A solar system-busting wad of Kryptonian mucus lands on one of the heads of the Living Tribunal.*head turns to survey Superman*
LT: You have covered much of my head in super-snot. I, the cosmic judge of all realities, can not be covered in super-boogers for it is the balance of the multiverse that I remain shiny and cool-looking.
Superman: Oh yeah?
*sends out a blast of heat vision that destructs the head. The other heads look around at Superman*
Superman: Anti-Living Tribunal vision! Now all that mucus is gone. Is the balance in order?
LT: Creature, your needless stupidity and absurd powers and infinite lameness threaten all that is. I must expel you.
Superman: Oh yeah?
*flies at Living Tribunal and grips his sides, then hoists him into the air with ONE ARM*
Superman: Oh yeah, baby! Chalk up another strength feat. I know you’re not really a physical being and me lifting you makes no sense but who cares. How much does a Living Tribunal weigh, anyway? Somewhere in the quadra-cajillion-fofillion tons range, I bet!
Now watch this!
*chucks the LT away. LT’s heads glance around where he is now once the momentum stopped and saw a Star Destroyer soaring passed him*
Superman: Yep, threw him right into another fictional series completely. Beat that!
PC Supes wins.
😆 lmao
I am not sure many people appreciated your irony here. Maybe thought you were being serious ... you weren't being serious ... were you?
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
After seeing PC Superman put a superdog cape around a neutron star and then proceed to throw the star a galaxy away, I'm not sure if I'm being serious or not.
Not to mention travelling so fast that it threatened to destroy the universe, and being told by the Presence to chill the f*ck out.
Originally posted by Bentley
Irrelevant as the Specter has fluctuating level of powers depending on the writers -I've seen him being knocked out by gas.
Too bad it was one of the most powerfull forms of Spectre and the low showing doesn't really mean anything in this case.
Originally posted by Kutulu
If the A.M. was as powerful as the Living Tribunal, the whole I.C. would have lasted one page in a comic and then DC universe would have been wiped out.
Assumptions are always fun to read and all.
Not to mention that Anti-Monitor did wipe the infinite paralel Universes except the 5 remaining ones.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Too bad it was one of the most powerfull forms of Spectre and the low showing doesn't really mean anything in this case.Assumptions are always fun to read and all.
Not to mention that Anti-Monitor did wipe the infinite paralel Universes except the 5 remaining ones.
I cannot find where it was stated that the spectre had the presence's full backing.
The AM needed time and arguably tech to wipe out the universes. The LT would just need to pass judgment and it would be done.
Originally posted by Bentley
Okay, so you say it was one of the strongest versions of the Specter, where is that stated?Even there, the LT is as strong as the strongest Specter and the difference between one of the strongest and the strongest can be a whole lot.
Living tribunal as strong as the strongest Spectre ? So the Living Tribunal is as strong as Spectre's Master (God) to which Spectre became one with ? 😬
I'm just going to quote what I posted on the Spectre respect thread :
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I'm going to elaborate the time when Spectre enters the Source :"You seek to reveal the mystery of God very well , you will be shown the nature of [b]God
"Spectre becomes God :
"I feel every particle of it . I AM every particle"
"Galaxies .. Cosmos ... Universes ... a whole dimension ... filling every part of me !"Spectre contains Creation within him :
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Merged2.jpg
"The black hole ! The end of Everything ! I/We feel Everything "
"And begins Again ... ?!"Inside Spectre , the end of everything takes place and in a few moments , a new creation is born :
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Merged3.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Merged4.jpg"If this is what it means to be God -- how does God stand it ?!"
It's confirmed again that Spectre became God :
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/Merged5.jpg
🙂 [/B]
Originally posted by Ouallada
I cannot find where it was stated that the spectre had the presence's full backing.The AM needed time and arguably tech to wipe out the universes. The LT would just need to pass judgment and it would be done.
If the Spectre would have God's full backing then he would become as strong as I posted above (he would practically merge with God) but in COIE he didn't thus why I wrote "One of the strongest versions of the Spectre"
Just to get a glimpse on how powerfull Spectre was during the COIE :
"The ONE Force more powerfull than him"
So he was second only to God pre-Depowerment
"His power once limitless ..."
"Yours was the power omnipotent ... "
"The power to halt a Crisis on Infinite Worlds .. to preclude the epic struggle between heaven and hell"
"Your Power Omnipotent was so great, so all encompassing"
(That is God adressing him)
The Anti-Monitor also recived the power of every Universe the Anti-Matter Universe destroyed :
And he wiped the infinite Universes until only 5 remained.
And he stood up to Spectre who had the kind of power I just described.
...
He is seriously underrated on this board. There are some people who think he is only slightly above Galactus.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Living tribunal as strong as the strongest Spectre ? So the Living Tribunal is as strong as Spectre's Master (God) to which Spectre became one with ?I'm just going to quote what I posted on the Spectre respect thread :
If the Spectre would have God's full backing then he would become as strong as I posted above (he would practically merge with God) but in COIE he didn't thus why I wrote "One of the strongest versions of the Spectre"
So, how far was "one of the strongest versions of Spectre" from the strongest? Can that even be answered, or is that simply hyperbole/assumption?
Spectre also fluctuates a lot more than LT. That is without question. If you like, we could discuss the number of times he has jobbed. LT's only real losses were against HOTU and arguably Protege.
Of course, it can be argued that even Spectre at full power is below God.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Just to get a glimpse on how powerfull Spectre was during the COIE :"The ONE Force more powerfull than him"
That means what? We all know that DC's hierarchy reads Presence first and Spectre second. By that notion, he was jobbing to the AM, because a being second only to God should have treated the AM like the AM should have treated the heroes.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
So he was second only to God pre-Depowerment"His power once limitless ..."
We already know that he is second to God.
I would focus more on the "once" portion rather than the "limitless" portion.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr"Yours was the power omnipotent ... "
"The power to halt a Crisis on Infinite Worlds .. to preclude the epic struggle between heaven and hell"
By saying "power omnipotent", are you not alluding to a jobbing? If he was truly omnipotent, he would not have been stalemated. If he was stalemated by the AM's power, the narration would have been wrong, and he would not have been omnipotent. The second line posted by you backs it up.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr"Your Power Omnipotent was so great, so all encompassing"
(That is God adressing him)
Once again, if his power was "omnipotent" and "all-encompassing", he would not have been stalemated. I could quote dozens of dictionaries on the definitions, but I think you understand the point.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The Anti-Monitor also recived the power of every Universe the Anti-Matter Universe destroyed :And he wiped the infinite Universes until only 5 remained.
And he stood up to Spectre who had the kind of power I just described.
...
He is seriously underrated on this board. There are some people who think he is only slightly above Galactus.
But still had trouble swatting top tiers away, getting poisoned by his shadows, hurt by DS etc? Forgive me for saying that there is a huge gap of logic here. Should a being that stalemated with the "omnipotent" spectre be trifling with such entities?
Let me summarise your logic.
Spectre is omnipotent.
AM stalemates Spectre.
Therefore, AM is at a similar level of power.
Tell me if I am wrong here.
