Anti Monitor, Pre Crisis Superman, and Darkseid vs The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

He weakened himself (which means he can be weakened... heh)...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

he got his power stolen by Doom...

A Doom Beyonder plucked from a non-existent future, (616 Doom was dead)
coerced (unconsciously) by Beyonder into taking much of his power.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Beyonder's Bane would have proved to be his bane...

In fact,
considering that the entire Marvel Reality was millions of times weaker than Beyonder,
I'll sure Beyonder's bane was a pointless ploy on Mephisto's part.

Meh, Mephisto himself had no idea if it'd work or not,
even the Living Tribunal literally trembled in fear at what Beyonder would do,
at the thought of it not working.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Molecule Man was weakened after fighting him (and MM is over LT, so...)...

I agree, characters can be weakened if they battle more powerful opponents.

Especially one that transacts on levels unimaginable to you.

I always figured that Beyonder didn't want to really kill or erased Marvel,
this is probably why he faked his death in the end,
he had had enough of Marvel,
and wanted to return to the Beyond Realm to peace again.

This is why Beyonder was upset even in the retcon
when Doom and the FF visited his Universe.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

used up much of his power dealing with Death... etc.

But Death
and everything else in Marvel
were nothing but microbes to Beyonder's true power. (meaning without limitations)

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Either way you slice it, your logic absolutely fails to levels ova 9000!!!

Just wanted to clear up those facts about Beyonder.

To Mr. Slippyfist,

Please stop talking like a know-it-all smartas*.

LT w/ THOTU and IG.

The whole Omniverse will be wiped out.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Oh... kay...
😕

I never said that... I said that beings far surpassing LT have been weakened on-panel. winkiss

But if beings far superior to LT burn themselves out fighting, doesn't this make you... wrong? Come on, let's hear it, rather than your annoying dodging.

Master schooled you on the Beyonder I see in vivid detail.

The difference here is all your examples were weakened when fighting more powerful beings while the Am was weakened by far less powerful beings. More than likely due to the fact he was amped in the first place and that on his own he was nowhere near this powerful.

😉

Originally posted by Mr Master
But only by himself, which imo, doesn't really count.

Not any Doom in existence though.

A Doom Beyonder plucked from a non-existent future, (616 Doom was dead)
coerced (unconsciously) by Beyonder into taking much of his power.

There's no proof of any kind that Beyonder's bane would've even scratched him.

In fact,
considering that the entire Marvel Reality was millions of times weaker than Beyonder,
I'll sure Beyonder's bane was a pointless ploy on Mephisto's part.

Meh, Mephisto himself had no idea if it'd work or not,
even the Living Tribunal literally trembled in fear at what Beyonder would do,
at the thought of it not working.

👆

I agree, characters can be weakened if they battle more powerful opponents.

Especially one that transacts on levels unimaginable to you.

I always figured that Beyonder didn't want to really kill or erased Marvel,
this is probably why he faked his death in the end,
he had had enough of Marvel,
and wanted to return to the Beyond Realm to peace again.

This is why Beyonder was upset even in the retcon
when Doom and the FF visited his Universe.

Much of the power he limited himself to, I agree.

But Death
and everything else in Marvel
were nothing but microbes to Beyonder's true power. (meaning without limitations)

That's not my debate.

Just wanted to clear up those facts about Beyonder.

Weakened.

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Doom. Doom still used 616 Galactus's tech, so I don't even know why that's even a point.

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Perhaps, but off of memory there was a piece of Beyonder's power being used to figure out the effects, etc. Off memory.

His power level doesn't imply it's not going to work... 😕
What does, is the fact that the goal wasn't reached.

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That has nothing to do with anything I was trying to say.

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The power he was limited to still above LT... was it not?

And if it wasn't, it was his full power... so please, enough of trying to beef up Beyonder, because I am far from trying to disrespect him. 😬

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not dodging. I always said more powerful beings can beat less powerful beings.

Master schooled you on the Beyonder I see in vivid detail.

The difference here is all your examples were weakened when fighting more powerful beings while the Am was weakened by far less powerful beings. More than likely due to the fact he was amped in the first place and that on his own he was nowhere near this powerful.

😉

He schooled me in what... unneeded context? Fine, he schooled me... you didn't.
Anyway, thanks for trolling me. 🙂

That's irrelevant. You said that LT can't be weakened before, and AM was weaker because he could get weakened.

Plus, AM was only weakened once... and that was by Spectre, and all of the most powerful beings in DC funneling energy into him. Srsly. 😬

Him being amped means as much as the color of my boxers right now. Do you bring this up when you argue about Thanos with the HOTU?

According to "Marvel 1985" #1 [the most recent info we have concerning this event], Doom killed Beyonder:

That is all. 🙂

How did this turn into anything resembling a Beyonder debate?

That's not what I was trying to do... 😕

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Weakened.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

This whole post is completely meaningless to anything I was trying to get across to Quan...
so I don't even know why you posted... but...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Doom. Doom still used 616 Galactus's tech,
so I don't even know why that's even a point.

Including that Doom from a non-existent future.

The tech, seems to just be an excuse to give Doom what he wanted.

Then again, I must admit B, anyone would be confused with this,
including myself, (in fact, I only saw it differently after I noticed Owen clearing the issue up)
because the doedoe heads at Marvel
didn't tell us this until after Secret Wars II had ended.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

His power level doesn't imply it's not going to work...
What does, is the fact that the goal wasn't reached.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

So... what you're saying is that LT can be weakened by blasts, and strategy?

Absolutely, I agree with you. 👆

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Because that's why it was posted... that entire post you quoted.

I know you had a point with quan,
but B, if we're not precise on the info we post,
we'll confuse innocent onlookers who don't know the exact facts.

I thought I was being helpful, forgive me. 🙁

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

The power he was limited to still above LT... was it not?

Let's not forget though,
even if Beyonder brought down his power to 1%,
it'd still be above the LT's.

ie.

Just putting Beyonder's power at a single Million times that of the Marvelverse,
at 1% ... Beyonder would still be 10,000 times
more powerful than all of Marvel combined.

Yet, we know Beyonder was MillionS times more powerful.

Ouch.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

so please, enough of trying to beef up Beyonder,

because I am far from trying to disrespect him.

You know there's no animosity between us true debater. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007

According to "Marvel 1985" #1

[the most recent info we have concerning this event],

Doom killed Beyonder:

Beyonder was never killed at any time during Secret Wars I or II,
and Beyonder is still around to this day, cementing the falsehood of the statement.

Plus, we don't even know if "Marvel 1985" is even part of continuity yet.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
This whole post is completely meaningless to anything I was trying to get across to Quan... so I don't even know why you posted... but...

Weakened.

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Doom. Doom still used 616 Galactus's tech, so I don't even know why that's even a point.

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Perhaps, but off of memory there was a piece of Beyonder's power being used to figure out the effects, etc. Off memory.

His power level doesn't imply it's not going to work... 😕
What does, is the fact that the goal wasn't reached.

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That has nothing to do with anything I was trying to say.

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The power he was limited to still above LT... was it not?

And if it wasn't, it was his full power... so please, enough of trying to beef up Beyonder, because I am far from trying to disrespect him. 😬

That's not the point and you know it. It's that people above LT have been weakened in fights.

He schooled me in what... unneeded context? Fine, he schooled me... you didn't.
Anyway, thanks for trolling me. 🙂

That's irrelevant. You said that LT can't be weakened before, and AM was weaker because he could get weakened.

Plus, AM was only weakened once... and that was by Spectre, and all of the most powerful beings in DC funneling energy into him. Srsly. 😬

Him being amped means as much as the color of my boxers right now. Do you bring this up when you argue about Thanos with the HOTU?

I responded to you. I was respectful when I disagreed with you as well and didnt degrade you in any way which I cant say the same for you.

I always figured you as a whitey tighty kind of guy.

The Am was weakened three times at least by my count. By the Spectre,by Ds's tech along with Luthor, and the star. Seriously he wasnt just weakened by the Spectre alone.

Thanos with the heart was supreme and can not lose with the heart. So go ahead and bring up what you will.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Mr Master schooled you

He simply had a few facts in-completed,
he's been there to for me when I wasn't aware of all the facts in other threads.

Proceed yall, and keep it respectful friends. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't wanna be portrayed this way against a true debater like [b]Bran. (slippy)
(now socks/trolls, that's another thing)

He simply had a few facts in-completed,
he's been there to for me when I wasn't aware of all the facts in other threads.

Yall can proceed now. 🙂 [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112

Bran admitted mr master schooled bran but that I didnt.

See, it sounds nice, and basically means the same thing. 🙂

Beef between posters is not my business,
but you're cool in my book.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Weakened, himself ... you mean, which I agree. 👆

I know what happened. You know what happened. Quan knows what happened. And any person who took the time to read Secret Wars 2 knows what happened.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I was only clearing up some misleading info (an honest mistake) concerning Beyonder.

The tech is not what got the job done though,
it was Beyonder's unconscious desire to give lesser beings whatever they wanted:

Including that Doom from a non-existent future.

The tech, seems to just be an excuse to give Doom what he wanted.

Then again, I must admit B, anyone would be confused with this,
including myself, (in fact, I only saw it differently after I noticed Owen clearing the issue up)
because the doedoe heads at Marvel
didn't tell us this until after Secret Wars II had ended.

Either way, unless he powered up Galactus's tech, I don't see how this has any bearing on the discussion.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The other fact is,
that there is no proof of any kind to suggest it would've worked.

What happened in comics, was that it didn't get to be used on Beyonder, so we can't even say.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If his opponent is more powerful than him?

Absolutely, I agree with you. 👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
I didn't try to debate that part of yall's debate,
I only wanted to clear up those specific Beyonder facts you pointed out.

I know you had a point with quan,
but B, if we're not precise on the info we post,
we'll confuse innocent onlookers who don't know the exact facts.

I thought I was being helpful, forgive me. 🙁

Quan knows what happened, and what I said to Quan, only goes against what Quan said.

I'm not actually arguing about Beyonder, I'm arguing about a higher power than LT... and when that is lost, it turns into a Beyonder debate and goes against the main point. Like now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆

Let's not forget though,
even if Beyonder brought down his power to 1%,
it'd still be above the LT's.

ie.

Just putting Beyonder's power at a single Million times that of the Marvelverse,
at 1% ... Beyonder would still be 10,000 times
more powerful than all of Marvel combined.

Yet, we know Beyonder was Million[b]S times more powerful.

Ouch.[/B]

Anyway...

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never said you were friend,
but you know my thing is to inform posters about the stuff I know,
that's all I did, and I did it with a cool tone while being respectful

You know there's no animosity between us true debater. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Mr Master schooled you because he had the scans and I didnt.

I responded to you. I was respectful when I disagreed with you as well and didnt degrade you in any way which I cant say the same for you.

I always figured you as a whitey tighty kind of guy.

The Am was weakened three times at least by my count. By the Spectre,by Ds's tech along with Luthor, and the star. Seriously he wasnt just weakened by the Spectre alone.

Thanos with the heart was supreme and can not lose with the heart. So go ahead and bring up what you will.

I don't respect you... and you're lying right now, because you trolled me, and are trolling me right now.
"Mr Master just schooled you!"
You said this three times. So, please, f*ck off with the innocence shit.

OK.

AM in his Prime was weakened once, and unless I'm mistaken, he's the one being used in this thread right now. So... weakened AM being weakened is highly irrelevant.

'Thanos was amped. He couldn't do that alone.'

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bran admitted mr master schooled bran but that I didnt. I merely said I didnt have the scans. But its cool. 🙂

Either way, 'getting schooled' by Mr. M needs to be pointed out... why?

MM is one of the best debators on this forum, and trying to rub my nose in something you think happened, when you couldn't do the same means nothing.

Um, what the hell? How did this turn into a Beyonder debate? Mr. Slippyfist was simply trying to point out the flaws in quanchi's logic from what I was getting.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

That doesn't say he let Doom steal his power.
In fact,
Beyonder came to start Secret Wars because he was looking to give people power.

Either way, unless he powered up Galactus's tech,
I don't see how this has any bearing on the discussion.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

There's a chance it would have worked, and there's a chance it wouldn't.

What happened in comics, was that it didn't get to be used on Beyonder,
so we can't even say.

Because a drop of water can't affect an ocean,
and even if Beyonder limited himself to 1% power,
that's still 100's of 1000s of drops vs one.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Weakened at all is the point.

I... in all honesty, don't give a shit what bystanders think happened.

It doesn't matter at all what they think.

Personally, I don't care what intransigence/trolls and socks think.
I only enjoy stomping their fallacies.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Ya... so, a being higher than LT was weakened by beating a lower being...

Anyway...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

I know, but it gets annoying when I have to make two completely different arguments about one thing that was the original point,
and one thing completely irrelevant.

I'll leave yall to your debate. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
???

Beyonder has been weakened by destroying Death (powerful, but nowhere near Beyonder level).

Which in itself rules out the previous logic by Quan.

srug

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And for this thread... the inclusion of Darkseid and Superman might as well have the team punching LT's head off his ne... gravitational pull... ?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Beyonder has been weakened by destroying Death (powerful, but nowhere near Beyonder level).

This is still, limited Beyonder we're talking about.

So I'm not sure if he was weakened at all, even in his "limited state."

I'm not sure if you remember Mr. M but Beyondersbane used power stolen from Beyonder, not the multiverse (though Eternity contributed to it.)