Anti Monitor, Pre Crisis Superman, and Darkseid vs The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Let's say he did school me, are you implying that only scans are needed for you to be able to debate like Mr. M?
That's awfully cute of you.

I don't respect you... and you're lying right now, because you trolled me, and are trolling me right now.
"Mr Master just schooled you!"
You said this three times. So, please, f*ck off with the innocence shit.

OK.

AM in his Prime was weakened once, and unless I'm mistaken, he's the one being used in this thread right now. So... weakened AM being weakened is highly irrelevant.

'Thanos was amped. He couldn't do that alone.'

It's called sarcasm. If you can't understand that, then all is lost... well you didn't understand, so...

Either way, 'getting schooled' by Mr. M needs to be pointed out... why?

MM is one of the best debators on this forum, and trying to rub my nose in something you think happened, when you couldn't do the same means nothing.

So dont play innocent with me either bran. You always come in with siome smart ass comment and then act like someone attacked you and trolled you. Try using some respect for a change. Oh and I could care less what and who you respect. This is some public message board where everyone lifts thousands of pounds and acts hard online. So save the toughguy act and stick to respectful comic book debating shall we.

You are twising everything I said in its entirety, Am was weakened by weaker beings not more powerful ones. He wasnt only weakened by Spectre either as I already pointed out.

You started this beyonder crap when I told you he limited himself. Everything he accomplished was after he put limitations on his own power. So leave the Beyonder out of this as you cant win. Everything I said to you was backed up my Mr Masters scan which I could have done if I had the secret stuff on disc.

Now just leave it at that.

You are still using the Beyonder when every point you have means nothing as everything he accomplished as after he already weakened himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This whole sequence of events began with you coming in and mocking my logic.

So dont play innocent with me either bran. You always come in with siome smart ass comment and then act like someone attacked you and trolled you. Try using some respect for a change. Oh and I could care less what and who you respect. This is some public message board where everyone lifts thousands of pounds and acts hard online. So save the toughguy act and stick to respectful comic book debating shall we.

You are twising everything I said in its entirety, Am was weakened by weaker beings not more powerful ones. He wasnt only weakened by Spectre either as I already pointed out.

You started this beyonder crap when I told you he limited himself. Everything he accomplished was after he put limitations on his own power. So leave the Beyonder out of this as you cant win. Everything I said to you was backed up my Mr Masters scan which I could have done if I had the secret stuff on disc.

Now just leave it at that.

You are still using the Beyonder when every point you have means nothing as everything he accomplished as after he already weakened himself.

I'm not playing innocent. I just like how you returned the favor.
I don't lift thousands of pounds, and I can't change who I am. An ass hole. In real life, or online, so no, the only act would be acting kind to idiots.
You didn't stick to respectful comic debating Mr. Quanchi. I don't get it. You confuse me Mr. Quanchi.

AM was weakened by a more powerful being (s). And it's highly irrelevant what happened to him after that. Unless this is pussy AM.

You know, I could debate this, however, limited Beyonder was still more powerful than LT. Saves me time. 🙂

I'm using him as a comparison. As a being over LT. Limited or not. He was the first one off the top of my head.

And again, anything you can do, MM can do better. So, please, stop saying you can do something that MM can do.
Even if you have the scans. 😬

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I don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore...

So anyway, being weakened means nothing on power. Do you agree?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I know, because it was stupid.

I'm not playing innocent. I just like how you returned the favor.
I don't lift thousands of pounds, and I can't change who I am. An ass hole. In real life, or online, so no, the only act would be acting kind to idiots.
You didn't stick to respectful comic debating Mr. Quanchi. I don't get it. You confuse me Mr. Quanchi.

AM was weakened by a more powerful being (s). And it's highly irrelevant what happened to him after that. Unless this is pussy AM.

You know, I could debate this, however, limited Beyonder was still more powerful than LT. Saves me time. 🙂

I'm using him as a comparison. As a being over LT. Limited or not. He was the first one off the top of my head.

And again, anything you can do, MM can do better. So, please, stop saying you can do something that MM can do.
Even if you have the scans. 😬

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I don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore...

So anyway, being weakened means nothing on power. Do you agree?

Who was more powerful than Am in coie?

Were Darkseid and Luthor more powerful than him as well?

Again more powerful beings can beat weaker beings. A being like the Lt wouldnt be weakened he would just get beat. He wasnt weakened against Thanos wit the heart he was simply beat.
My point about mr m is that he basically backed up my points and that everything he accomplished was while he weakened himself.

Prove the Lt can be weakened.

Originally posted by quanchi112
First off a lesson on in life. To get respect you have to give respect. If you call someone an idiot dont expect them to gold the door open for you at red lobster.

Who was more powerful than Am in coie?

Were Darkseid and Luthor more powerful than him as well?

Again more powerful beings can beat weaker beings. A being like the Lt wouldnt be weakened he would just get beat. He wasnt weakened against Thanos wit the heart he was simply beat.
My point about mr m is that he basically backed up my points and that everything he accomplished was while he weakened himself.

Prove the Lt can be weakened.

...
Jesus...
Spectre.

They were powerful enough to hurt the severely weakened AM... but that has no bearing on the one Spectre fought.

LT has never had to fight anyone really... it's either one move, or he gets beat the HOTU.

And he was still more powerful than LT.

If you think that I have to prove that, then you have absolutely no idea what you're debating...

Ugh...

Anyway, you said that AM was weak because he was able to be weakened. I brought up more powerful beings than LT getting weakened, which signifies that being weakened has no bearing on power.

Do you understand?

Originally posted by King Kandy

I'm not sure if you remember Mr. M
but Beyondersbane used power stolen from Beyonder,
not the multiverse (though Eternity contributed to it.)

Thanx for the heads up KK.

I did notice something interesting now that I re-checked that issue.

Evidently, the enormous amount of energy Beyonder used to erase Death,
was but a fraction of his limited power.

(that's the fraction that was contained within Beyondersbane)

Also, you're right,
it was Eternity that was supposed to attack Beyonder while connected to Beyondersbane,
but Eternity,
then like now, was/is the embodiment of the entire Multiverse and everything in it.

Perhaps excluding the LT,
although the LT was also trembling in fear awaiting Eternity's attack,
so possibly even the LT was subject to Eternity's totality.

Not exactly sure to tell you the truth.

(this doesn't mean the LT was weaker than Eternity by any stretch of the imagination)

That was a universal aspect of Eternity... They made a sharp distinction between multiverse and universe in that story, and he was referred to as universal. (Did Multi-Eternity even exist at the time of writing?)

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
If I call someone an idiot, they probably deserved it. And I can open my own doors.

...
Jesus...
Spectre.

They were powerful enough to hurt the severely weakened AM... but that has no bearing on the one Spectre fought.

LT has never had to fight anyone really... it's either one move, or he gets beat the HOTU.

And he was still more powerful than LT.

If you think that I have to prove that, then you have absolutely no idea what you're debating...

Ugh...

Anyway, you said that AM was weak because he was able to be weakened. I brought up more powerful beings than LT getting weakened, which signifies that being weakened has no bearing on power.

Do you understand?

You have backed out of the Beyonder argument so its fine and dandy. Lets move on.

My point is that the Spectre wasnt the only being who could hurt the Am. Yes he hurt him badly but than again so did Luthor and Seid. It was a group effort to wane him and eventually beat him.

Lt showed how powerful he was against the ig. Now the ig vs Lt. Lets think about it. Imo the Lt is going to win but is the ig going to get weaker and weaker. No it will simply be overpowered.

I said more powerful beings of this magnitude getting weakened by weaker beings to the point of being able to be oneshotted by Superman arent in the same league as Lt,MM,classic Beyonder,Thanos with the heart or ig,etc.

Those beings wouldnt get weaker by fighting less powerful beings.

Originally posted by King Kandy
That was a universal aspect of Eternity... They made a sharp distinction between multiverse and universe in that story, and he was referred to as universal. (Did Multi-Eternity even exist at the time of writing?)

Originally posted by quanchi112
I understand what you meant the first time you said it.

You have backed out of the Beyonder argument so its fine and dandy. Lets move on.

My point is that the Spectre wasnt the only being who could hurt the Am. Yes he hurt him badly but than again so did Luthor and Seid. It was a group effort to wane him and eventually beat him.

Lt showed how powerful he was against the ig. Now the ig vs Lt. Lets think about it. Imo the Lt is going to win but is the ig going to get weaker and weaker. No it will simply be overpowered.

I said more powerful beings of this magnitude getting weakened by weaker beings to the point of being able to be oneshotted by Superman arent in the same league as Lt,MM,classic Beyonder,Thanos with the heart or ig,etc.

Those beings wouldnt get weaker by fighting less powerful beings.

😕

And your point would end up being irrelevant to full power AM. Spectre maxed himself out in his short struggle with AM. The rest happened when AM was running on a universe worth of power, and then a sun's amount.

LT didn't fight it... he nullified it, but that's not what you seem to be talking about, since you had to add "IMO".
Ya, and AM got overpowered, beaten, but he came back severely weak. He wasn't getting weaker and weaker, he just got beaten in a massive burst of power that he managed to come back from weaker.

Ya, and that makes... no sense.
Also, wasn't weakened Molecule Man overwhelmed by the power Surfer was spitting out? He's not even on his own level...

Why do you keep saying less powerful beings? Was Spectre weaker than AM or something?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You sure didn't seem to think you did...

😕

And your point would end up being irrelevant to full power AM. Spectre maxed himself out in his short struggle with AM. The rest happened when AM was running on a universe worth of power, and then a sun's amount.

LT didn't fight it... he nullified it, but that's not what you seem to be talking about, since you had to add "IMO".
Ya, and AM got overpowered, beaten, but he came back severely weak. He wasn't getting weaker and weaker, he just got beaten in a massive burst of power that he managed to come back from weaker.

Ya, and that makes... no sense.
Also, wasn't weakened Molecule Man overwhelmed by the power Surfer was spitting out? He's not even on his own level...

Why do you keep saying less powerful beings? Was Spectre weaker than AM or something?

I added imo because it has never been proven that the Lt is above the gems wearer. Warlock gave them up freely and without conflict.

He was getting weaker and weaker. I think of it as an energy bar in a video game. Spectre took out the most energy and then Ds and Luthor took out quite a chunk as well.

My point is this about the Superman comment. No matter how many beings blasted into Thanos with the ig he never lost any power or wasnt weakened in the slightest. If Superman would have punched him immediatley after all the abstracts blasted him he would have laughed while the Am was destroyed. See my point.

Was this classic MM who was weakened by the Surfer?

Mr. Slippyfist,

Smartasses like you do not deserve any respect whatsoever. Don't pretend you know who's stronger/weaker, 'cause you really don't.

If I say the Phantom Stranger is stronger than Xanadu, do you think I am correct? Because I believe I am, and I can back up this very statement.

As for you statements, they are merely assumptions which have yet to be seen or verified.
Your arguments on this thread are stupid and meaningless to be frank.

PC superman is just plain stupid because peaople start to make up crap about him and make him all big and bad and saying stupid crap but tribunal would kick the living shit out of supes

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see the Am as more powerful than the Spectre in coie. Spectre was amped as well with other magicians in the dcu.

I added imo because it has never been proven that the Lt is above the gems wearer. Warlock gave them up freely and without conflict.

He was getting weaker and weaker. I think of it as an energy bar in a video game. Spectre took out the most energy and then Ds and Luthor took out quite a chunk as well.

My point is this about the Superman comment. No matter how many beings blasted into Thanos with the ig he never lost any power or wasnt weakened in the slightest. If Superman would have punched him immediatley after all the abstracts blasted him he would have laughed while the Am was destroyed. See my point.

Was this classic MM who was weakened by the Surfer?

OK.

Uh... huh...
Spectre was the only reason AM eventually lost though...

Thanos wasn't challenged in the slightest in IG though... and Warlock later showed he could also one-shot all the abstracts... I don't see the relevance...

It was in the same arc. 🙂
He was overloaded by Surfer's energy after he fought Beyonder.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Mr. Slippyfist,

Smartasses like you do not deserve any respect whatsoever. Don't pretend you know who's stronger/weaker, 'cause you really don't.

If I say the Phantom Stranger is stronger than Xanadu, do you think I am correct? Because I believe I am, and I can back up this very statement.

As for you statements, they are merely assumptions which have yet to be seen or verified.
Your arguments on this thread are stupid and meaningless to be frank.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I know he was amped. I'm taking that into account. 😐
And amped Spectre was more powerful than AM.

OK.

Uh... huh...
Spectre was the only reason AM eventually lost though...

Thanos wasn't challenged in the slightest in IG though... and Warlock later showed he could also one-shot all the abstracts... I don't see the relevance...

It was in the same arc. 🙂
He was overloaded by Surfer's energy after he fought Beyonder.

You're talking like you know something... in fact, I don't even know why you're talking.
Your statements make no sense to anything.

No Spectre wasnt the only reason. Why do you keep forgetting about Darkseid AND Luthor. Supes deatl the killer blow as well. Spectre wasnt even in the fight when the Am was defeated.

Ok so he was overloaded after he was weakened in his fight with a more powerful being the Beyonder. Makes sense to me.

Thanos was challenged though. He didnt just oneshot everyone. His battle wit Eternity was immense. the point is all the power he released and all the blasts he took didnt weaken him at all. Not one bit. He fought less powerful beings all together in a group against him and was fine.

Warlock didnt outright defeat the abstracts but did show how he was easily their superior. He wasnt superior to the Lt though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Spectre was more powerful why didnt he defeat him on his own?

No Spectre wasnt the only reason. Why do you keep forgetting about Darkseid AND Luthor. Supes deatl the killer blow as well. Spectre wasnt even in the fight when the Am was defeated.

Ok so he was overloaded after he was weakened in his fight with a more powerful being the Beyonder. Makes sense to me.

Thanos was challenged though. He didnt just oneshot everyone. His battle wit Eternity was immense. the point is all the power he released and all the blasts he took didnt weaken him at all. Not one bit. He fought less powerful beings all together in a group against him and was fine.

Warlock didnt outright defeat the abstracts but did show how he was easily their superior. He wasnt superior to the Lt though.

If Spectre/pals hadn't gotten involved, then AM would have destroyed DC. Spectre weakened him to a point where Darkseid was able to harm him. Before that, 50 + heroes were complete flees to AM. I don't know how anything after Spectre's fight is relevant to AM...

Are you really that hypocritical? Superman 'one shotting' AM is alright, but Surfer overloading Molecule Man isn't?
Plus, Spectre destroyed the universe where all of time started and remade it when he fought AM. He was seeing things that were unseen by God...

Thanos pretty much did one-shot everyone... actually two moved everybody. And Eternity was beaten in one move as well... Why would he be weakened? His power started off so much higher than them, it wasn't even funny...

He did though. LT had to restore everything.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
😐
Because Spectre needed an amp. 😐
And he did stop him... he just didn't kill him.

If Spectre/pals hadn't gotten involved, then AM would have destroyed DC. Spectre weakened him to a point where Darkseid was able to harm him. Before that, 50 + heroes were complete flees to AM. I don't know how anything after Spectre's fight is relevant to AM...

Are you really that hypocritical? Superman 'one shotting' AM is alright, but Surfer overloading Molecule Man isn't?
Plus, Spectre destroyed the universe where all of time started and remade it when he fought AM. He was seeing things that were unseen by God...

Thanos pretty much did one-shot everyone... actually two moved everybody. And Eternity was beaten in one move as well... Why would he be weakened? His power started off so much higher than them, it wasn't even funny...

He did though. LT had to restore everything.

Again the Spectre did the most damage but didnt finish him off. it was a huge group effort and giving the Spectre all credit is ignorant imo.

MM faced a more powerful foe while the Am faced a weaker foe. If the Spectre was more powerful he would have been destroyed not weakened.

The point is Thanos doesnt get weaker fighting weaker opponents but the Am most certainly does. Thanos could never have been so weakened that a top tier could kill him with a punch but the Am could be weakened like that is my point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes Spectre did need an amp but he only weakened him he didnt destroy him is my point.

Again the Spectre did the most damage but didnt finish him off. it was a huge group effort and giving the Spectre all credit is ignorant imo.

MM faced a more powerful foe while the Am faced a weaker foe. If the Spectre was more powerful he would have been destroyed not weakened.

The point is Thanos doesnt get weaker fighting weaker opponents but the Am most certainly does. Thanos could never have been so weakened that a top tier could kill him with a punch but the Am could be weakened like that is my point.

And taking away credit from AM because he got 'one-shotted' by Superman is what? Brilliance?
Wasn't AM getting weaker on his own anyway? And anyway, Spectre deserves credit for putting him in that position. If what happened after that goes for AM in threads... then, well, I don't even know what to think.

OK, I give up; can you explain why amped Spectre is weaker?
So... if AM faced a weaker foe... then why didn't AM destroy Spectre?

Thanos fought people so far below his level, it was ridiculous. There is absolutely no comparison... at all. 😐
Why would the person way more powerful get weakened by basically fighting canon fodder?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again more powerful beings can beat weaker beings.

You're wasting your time. Even if you are in a 'debating mood', he's not exactly the person you should talk to.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So... killing is the only way to prove you have more power in comics, is that what it is?
Yes, I know what happened to Spectre, but Spectre also overpowered AM when they met.

And taking away credit from AM because he got 'one-shotted' by Superman is what? Brilliance?
Wasn't AM getting weaker on his own anyway? And anyway, Spectre deserves credit for putting him in that position. If what happened after that goes for AM in threads... then, well, I don't even know what to think.

OK, I give up; can you explain why amped Spectre is weaker?
So... if AM faced a weaker foe... then why didn't AM destroy Spectre?

Thanos fought people so far below his level, it was ridiculous. There is absolutely no comparison... at all. 😐
Why would the person way more powerful get weakened by basically fighting canon fodder?

Lets go back to video games for a second. Lets say I am taking on M. Bison and I get his energy halfway down and lose. Lets say I get to use another fighter and he starts out with his energy halfway done from the previous fight. I only lower 25 percent this time. I fight him again and beat him with a third character but actually beat him mainly due to his energy being so low. Do you give all the credit to the fist character I chose because that one did the most damage?

See my point?

They werent that weak compared to the ig. Sure the ig was more powerful but the abstracts were no joke and werent Superman level.

Could the Spectre have weakened Thanos with the ig enough for other characters to beat him lets say he is in coie? Answer that.

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