Juggernaut is ready to let his presence be known now.
First though I'm gonna recap what the prep has done for him. The Wind Spirits were summoned as a shield for him so he can fly as soon as the battle starts. He also was given a computer brain as well as given focus so that his sole desire is to work with the other people to beat the enemy. (and if this isnt allowed then neither is Telepathy during prep )
Now once he gets on the field he is protected by his shield and he quickly scans the battle field. Now once Kyle makes his Daxamites, the team and the Daxamites tell him where to go since they already locked unto BB and Witchfire and they send him off.
As shown in the scans the wind spirits allow Cain to travel 1000s of miles in seconds and with the Daxamite lending him speed he is gonna get to the other team fast.
Now one might say that BB will yell his lungs out at Jugg's if they even have time to counter. Well just to let you know as shown Cain has already taken Thor's Godblast and that didn't hurt him in the least bit. BB's scream is at the most on par with Thor's Blast but probably below it. (and Juggs has THE best durability in the tournament) There are two big differences between these two encounters though. One is that Cain has alot more momentum right now and BB's scream lacks the mystical nature of Thor's attack so Cain will probably fly right through it. At worst he slows down some. That is of course if BB actually does scream. As stated in BW's post the Daxamites are effecting BB's powers so cain is more likely to get through without slowing down.
Now let me tell you something right now I've gone over your prep and Khell's. One thing I noticed the entire time you guys never mention putting a shield up for Witchfire which means either she doesn't have one or you forgot to put one up either way that is a really bad mistake. As shown earlier she is far from being super durable. Guess what this means that an oncoming, relentless Juggernaut flies straight in to her ripping........Rippping....let me say it one more time for effect RIPPING and tearing her head clean off her shoulders and I don't mean a punch I mean he is literally going to grab her head and remove it from her body. Not many people can come back from that.
After that Cain will turn to take BB on as stated by Khell BB has managed to go toe to toe with Hulk and Glads big note here though none of BB's attacks are going to work on Cain. Even still as BW posted Daxamites are attacking and nullifing BB's powers which means Juggernaut is simply going to give Black Bolt the same Haircut Style he gave Witchfire. After that he returns to help out with the other guy but he finds that it has already been taken care off. Juggs is sad because this wasn't even a half decent fight.
Khell already mentioned how the team prepped for the battle so I won't go over it again. The only thing that I'll add is because of Witchfire's telepathy, she'd be able to sense the opposing team right at the start or even before, and seeing as the entire opposing team is encased in magical shields, Witchfire is easily able to keep track of them right even before the fight starts (within the rules because it's a 'sense', like hearing). The immediate moment that the battle begins, Witchfire focuses on Shaman and telepathically blasts him at full force, and as you'll read on her bio, her telepathy is amplified to an unknown level, most likely because of her demonic heritage. So, even before Shaman's used any powders or give Juggernaut flight, or anything else the other team is planning to do right at the start of the fight, Shaman is out of the picture.How much concentrating do you think Kyle will be doing once he sees a brain-dead partner next to him? A moment after that mental blast, Spartan teleports off to do his thing, Witchfire summons five of the largest and most powerful demons she can and sends them off to create a distraction for the other team. By the time Kyle and Juggernaut know what's happening, they have demons piling on top of them. Shortly after that, Blackbolt and Witchfire arrive on the battle scene. Upon seeing a glowing ring on the ground, Witchfire uses her telekinesis to bring it to her. Blackbolt then releases a scream. The suddenly-human Kyle is disintegrated, and Juggernaut is blasted by a combination of the scream and Witchfire's telepathy.
I believe these two paragraphs have countered your initial post.
This almost seems like a waste of a post KVD
First off you show no proof of anything Witchfire can actually do just seemingly post some bio stuff for her which is fine but now we don't have an actual power level for anything she does. And you mention her Ultimate form having unlimited power for telepathy which that actually appears beside alot of things but we don't have anything to judge for these claims we can't place her beyond anything which means quite frankly this is useless.
. A generic 'shield' doesn't protect from telepathy. So, unless you want to backtrack and say that you have mental shields for Shaman, he's getting taken out right at the start, which means everything else in my original post happens. (To my knowledge, it's not the physical GL forcefield that protects from mental attacks) As for Witchy's level of power, likely because of her demonic heritage, she has an "unreal level of magic". I'd venture to say that this level of power dwarfs Fernus'.For argument's sake, let's say that Shaman was able to get that 'mute spell' off. Two courses of action can be taken. Let's start with one that requires a little effort. Now, do you think someone who can be used as an instrument to become supreme being doesn't have anything to dispel such a basic incantation? It'll be: Shaman casts a mute spell. Witchfire easily dispels it then uses her telekinesis to paralyze Shaman. It's a magical force directly affecting his limbs, so any shielding is useless. So, as it stands either way, mute or not, Shaman is KO'd 0.5 seconds into the fight. Now, in this hyphothetical scenario, how concentrated would Kyle be seeing his teammate paralyzed and being swallowed into the turtle shell (molecular manipulation)? Now for the easier way, Shaman casts a mute spell. Witchfire waves her hand and discorprates Shaman's head into nothingness (matter manipulation), senses Kyle and she does the same thing to the ring.
Again, if you look at my original post, Witchy summoned five demons, exactly the same number that Kyle is trying to create. If you want to take the summoning ability out of the picture, it's okay but do it for both sides. However, these demons are just distractions for the Juggernaut; and Kyle will be just a regular human, after getting his ring teleported off his hand.
Umm KVD if her telepathy was greater than Fernus she would be banned since he was banned 😕
Matter Manip used against other teams is also illegal 🙄
So half your post is basically not even usable.
Also you keep bringing up these Demons but we have no idea what these demons are capable of, if they are over the legal limit or well under. What kind of powers do they have or even if their legal at all. I mean the only reason BW can have those constructs is because if Kyle dies they go with him. If Witchfire dies would the demons leave as well or are they simply teleported unto the battlefield and can fight long after Witchfire is gone?
We need more details about these powers before any of them can be seen as Valid.
Oh and by the way....you can take all this post and just pretend Juggs got sent Solo to crash into Witchfire. Why? Because once the H-Bombs go off the big explosion coming at your team and him, consuming him, he sees everyone around him on your team destroyed and he laughs at how such a weak attack kills you when he is barely getting tanned.
[Judge's Note]
Originally posted by newjak86First though I'm gonna recap what the prep has done for him. The Wind Spirits were summoned as a shield for him so he can fly as soon as the battle starts. He also was given a computer brain as well as given focus so that his sole desire is to work with the other people to beat the enemy. (and if this isnt allowed then neither is Telepathy during prep )
That's not allowed either.
Per tournament rules, the only thing allowed to be activated/performed during prep is generic shielding. Juggernaut (and/or Shaman) can not be modified to have a computer like brain until the commencement of battle, and that must be addressed by the poster that can grant the ability.
Telepathic observation of your opponent is also not allowed during prep. In the "prep time" the opposing teams are not accessible to the eachother. They are only accessible on the battlefield. You can share character knowledge/experience and devise plans, but no offensive tactics, including tactical reconnaissance (which this psychic scanning would fall under), is allowed during prep.
Nothing can happen before the onset of battle save putting on a generic shield and devising your plan.
[Judge's Note]
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Non Official Post:Ok. So long as telepathic bonding during prep is outlawed as well
The only thing allowed during prep is devising a plan and putting on your shield. Anything else, including a telepathic link to track your teammates, must be implemented after the commencement of battle.
The telepathic link is voided.
Originally posted by illadelph12Non Offical Post: Correction Ill we are not scanning for the team just making sure everyone on our team is fighting to the best ability by giving a mental command making them fight to the best of their ability not tracking the other team sorry Ill you misread. The computer brains also help with prep by helping to give and understand plans faster.
[Judge's Note]The only thing allowed during prep is devising a plan and putting on your shield. Anything else, including a telepathic link to track your teammates, must be implemented after the commencement of battle.
The telepathic link is voided.
[Judge's Note]
Originally posted by newjak86
Non Offical Post: Correction Ill we are not scanning for the team just making sure everyone on our team is fighting to the best ability by giving a mental command making them fight to the best of their ability not tracking the other team sorry Ill you misread. The computer brains also help with prep by helping to give and understand plans faster.
So long as it's after the beginning of the fight.
Nothing other than devising a plan and raising generic shielding can take place before the beginning of combat. That goes for psychically bloodlusting your teammates for battle, speeding up their reaction speed and computatiev abilities, or psychically scanning to see who your opponents are.
Nothing but a plan and a shield is allowed before the word "Go".
From that point on, you can do whatever you want within the rules.
-Voters Official point-
One minor thing..... Constructs (to some degree) are ok, but calling for outside help isn't.... so there should be no summoning of demons by Witchfire and no asking for help from spirits by Shaman
Just thought i'd throw that in there
-End of Voters Official Point-
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-Non Official Point-
All magical spell-casters suck donkey ballzz!
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It's totally different than a GLs powerset or The Surfer's cosmic powers
GLs don't have to ask permission every-time they perform a feat using their powers, In fact if they did then Hal would never have been able to kill other GLs, absorb the central battery and destroy the Guardians... they would've just said "no"
Likewise, Surfer can use his power for anything he wants, whenever he wants
Summoning Demons is the act of bringing in additional players for your team.... he may as well be magically calling for Dr Strange to come help him out....they aren't created and they aren't reliant on the summoners consciousness to exist
Asking for help from spirits is practically the same thing, getting help from extra characters... only this time it's characters outside the battlefield
Originally posted by illadelph12
I see no reason to diminish Witchfire's offense simply because you think magic user's "suck donkey ballzz".
Wow... you managed to bypass all the actual points i made and went straight to one offhand comment that has no actual meaning here... well done 👆
She can create all the demons she wants (well... up to 5 anyway) but summoning pre-existing creatures to the battlefield is against the rules
Originally posted by Scoobless
Wow... you managed to bypass all the actual points i made and went straight to one offhand comment that has no actual meaning here... well done 👆She can create all the demons she wants (well... up to 5 anyway) but summoning pre-existing creatures to the battlefield is against the rules
I'm sort of agreeing with Scoobless on it being outside help.
Originally posted by leonidas
ps--bw, i think digi eliminated non-official posts. sorry bro, but the above is gonna count . . . 🙁
I didn't eliminate them...I just got angry with them. Let's cut it out, and quick looking for 'loophole-type' ways of getting around the post limit. Deal with questions and concerns in your 9 posts, or don't deal with them at all.
I've also asked that the peanut gallery be silenced a bit (i.e. whoever isn't in the match). Questions and rule-clarifications are one thing, but anything that could be construed as an argument should not come from observers...judges included.
What we have here is fine. Going back to edit a bunch of it would be to eliminate potentially valid discussion. But I'd like it to stop as well.