First of all, Wolverine couldn't cut Hulk at one time
When was this? Wasn't he able to cut Hulk from the start? Yet, it doesn't matter. He wasn't able to cut Colossus at all, now his strength has increased a bit (A non-official upgrade, but it's there apparently) but so has Colossus'. His stregth and durability have increased 2 times. When magneto healed him and when he was probed by Ord. Maybe I should invite a true Colossus fanboy here, because I'm more of a Predator fan to be honest.
How could it be PIS when he has cut through the toughest of surfaces with ease many times (And I'm sure that osmium is not much harder than titatium steel alloy and tungsten). I'm talking about current Wolverine here. Not the ancient inconsistent one.
You're saying the current Wolverine isn't inconsistent? LMFAO. He's knock out for a minute or so by a bullet yet he's able to survive and heal, a "nuclear" bomb in a 5-10 minutes... Riightoo. Osmium is lot more durable than any human made material (Except Adamantium or maybe vibranium.) I don't think any human has ever hurt him. (human made weapons and stuff. He wasn't even scrathed by Shi'ar lasers when the Danger room came alive. He was knocked back, but there was no physhical/visible harm done
Also, none of this changes the fact that colossus can't see Pred or will be able to hit Pred with his inferior fighting ability and speed. This is if pred is written to his potential of course.
Predators aren't complitely invisible, nor they are so skilled they're always said to be. They've lost to humans FFS. Colossus' does have "somewhat" superhuman reflexes and speed. Predator's weapons aren't as durable as adamantium claws, nor as sharp. That's for sure. They have been blocked by human swords before. If Predator will be writed to his full limit (Strongest, one lifted a tank, the most fast hit lightning fast and never be hit, most durable one will take shotgun blast without noticing them etc) But none of those feats have been played down by a single predator.
Most predators are 10 tonners, experienced fighters, fast, durable, but nothing like that. Their skill comes with their ranged weapons, which will do nothing in this fight. (Not saying they're not skilled in melee or anything, but against a superb foe.. Pfft)
Second, why would spidey just sit there and dodge until he gets tired (Even though he has tremendous stamina)?
Because if he comes close, he's going to be hit by two different things. Plasma caster (Doesn't need hands to aim or track. Launchable via mandible in mask) And his spear. He could also throw his tracking disc in.
If spider-man is written to his potential then it will be impossible to hit him. He has dodged everything from homing lasers (which are as fast as light and is homed on to him) to smart bullets (which are also homed to him).
Because they're fighting in a park (stated in the rules). Parks don't usually have lots of cover. If Spider-man is coming in to attack the Predator he'd be considerably easier to hit. Let's say Spider-man jumps to avoid another target, then he's in midair. Another projectile is coming right in. He's not able to jump to dodge that one aswell. Spider-man doesn't know how fast Predator's bolts actually are. Also, he has been hit by mere punches milions times, and by light speeding homing bullets by once..? His reaction time isn't that fast. Nor is his spider sense.
So how could Pred hit him if he is written to his potential? He would simply go to Pred and knock him out with a barrage of attacks (THE MAXIMUM SPIDER).
Because this isn't a Spider-man comic. There isn't any PIS or CIS involved (Unless the thread author says so)
Who is more badass Punisher has fought and won? He's just a human..
Nightstick - Danny Glover fought a movie predator, not a comic one. Movies don't hold any ground in comic debates. Besides, Harrigan had help by Keys. Keys actually saved his life once in the fight. Harrigan also suprise attacked the Predator and destroy his wrist computer. No cloak for the Predator from that point. Harrigan also captured a weapon in middle or the fight, so it would have been called PIS.
Originally posted by Jyppe
Who is more badass Punisher has fought and won? He's just a human..Nightstick - Danny Glover fought a movie predator, not a comic one. Movies don't hold any ground in comic debates. Besides,[B] Harrigan
had help by Keys. Keys actually saved his life once in the fight. Harrigan also suprise attacked the Predator and destroy his wrist computer. No cloak for the Predator from that point. Harrigan also captured a weapon in middle or the fight, so it would have been called PIS. [/B]
And then Pred cut Keys in half. Humans are considered more dangerous than Xenos to the Yautja.
1.We have no Honor Code.
2.We are very intelligent.
3.We use Firearms(guns).
Originally posted by Jyppe
When was this? Wasn't he able to cut Hulk from the start? Yet, it doesn't matter. He wasn't able to cut Colossus at all, now his strength has increased a bit (A non-official upgrade, but it's there apparently) but so has Colossus'. His stregth and durability have increased 2 times. When magneto healed him and when he was probed by Ord. Maybe I should invite a true Colossus fanboy here, because I'm more of a Predator fan to be honest.You're saying the current Wolverine isn't inconsistent? LMFAO. He's knock out for a minute or so by a bullet yet he's able to survive and heal, a "nuclear" bomb in a 5-10 minutes... Riightoo. Osmium is lot more durable than any human made material (Except Adamantium or maybe vibranium.) I don't think any human has ever hurt him. (human made weapons and stuff. He wasn't even scrathed by Shi'ar lasers when the Danger room came alive. He was knocked back, but there was no physhical/visible harm done
Predators aren't complitely invisible, nor they are so skilled they're always said to be. They've lost to humans FFS. Colossus' does have "somewhat" superhuman reflexes and speed. Predator's weapons aren't as durable as adamantium claws, nor as sharp. That's for sure. They have been blocked by human swords before.
Because if he comes close, he's going to be hit by two different things. Plasma caster (Doesn't need hands to aim or track. Launchable via mandible in mask) And his spear. He could also throw his tracking disc in.
Because they're fighting in a park (stated in the rules). Parks don't usually have lots of cover. If Spider-man is coming in to attack the Predator he'd be considerably easier to hit. Let's say Spider-man jumps to avoid another target, then he's in midair. Another projectile is coming right in. He's not able to jump to dodge that one aswell. Spider-man doesn't know how fast Predator's bolts actually are. Also, he has been hit by mere punches milions times, and by light speeding homing bullets by once..? His reaction time isn't that fast. Nor is his spider sense.
Because this isn't a Spider-man comic. There isn't any PIS or CIS involved (Unless the thread author says so)
My friend, I use to own the comic book where at the start Wolverine couldn't cut Hulk. The writers change this. This should be no argument. You can ask any true wolverine fan at this forum. Osmium's hardness is a 7 (in mohs). Tungten is 7.5. And titanium steel alloy is close to a 7. While Osmium is very hard for a metal it is not the hardess. To be specific, of all the hard metals from titatium steel to carbon steel they are all around a 7 in hardness. Their differences are so small and insignificant especially when wolverine has cut through the likes of them many times like butter. Also, colossus's strength has increased but his durability is the same (remember osmium metal).
Colossus doesn't have superhuman speed and reflexes but only olympic ones at best. It is stated in all marvel handbooks that colossus retains his speed and agility (human level) while in the armored form.This just seems fast for his state.
The world's militaries have stated they have nothing that can damage a Pred's weapons (they couldn't even sample it). This means that they can be as strong (or stronger) than adamantium. If adamantium is stronger then good proof must be provided.
My friend, in the comics, Preds are truly invisible. Not in the movies though. Also show me one human on the level of colossus's fighting ability (or any human) beating a pred in h2h combat.
Preds are on average smarter than any human. They will either continue to blast colossus with their plasma weapons while eluding colossus until victory. Note: colossus doesn't have infinite durable. He will be damaged (if only minimal) from each hit. Thus with enough hits he will fall. This is just one strategy. The pred could also just walk up to him (invisible) and slice him in half. They are stonger than wolverine and their melee weapons have been shown to just as effective.
Why would spiderman jump in the air? He can dodge on the ground.
Do you know how fast spiderman is? He will hit Pred before he has time to think. By your own statement "Preds have been beat by humans" (who are hundreds of times slower than spiderman) And you are forgeting the spidey sense is precog (not just reflexes). He will dodge before the attack. That is how he dodged homing lasers and the like on numerous ocassions. There would only be time to throw one attack (if that much) before spidey knocks Pred out.
Lastly, comics are inconsistent. Everyone will agree to this. So it is best to use feats that occurred more than they have been contradicted. It makes no sense to use things that happened the minority of times over the majority as the truth. This includes spiderman's majority dodging feats over his minority getting hit ones. This includes the majority of things we have seen Preds and Wolverine cut through over the minority of things they didn't. Thus PIS and CIS are eliminated. Hence spiderman wins easily and colossus loses easily.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
How come the only defense ya'll have is Pred can't even beat Arnold or Glover?
Bullshit. Just because you chose to ignore everything I say because it doesn't fall in with your deluded fan boy believes doesn't mean it wasn't said. The fact is in almost every comic feature a Predator this is a human/group of humans who best them (or at the very least give them a challenge) and more often then not they are random army grunts. Some times the human who kicks their ass is a super bad ass like Subotai... but usually it isn't. How many times do I need to through out a random list of people/crappy robots/moutain lions who have beat Predators? Predators aren't that impressive... except in Bad Blood but I guess that should be Hamma'd since since it is out of line with other appearances.
Why do Predators slaughter people when they first appear? Because they have the element of surprise. That's it. It has little to do with any them resembling skill. They show up invisible and pick off unsuspecting people who are scared shitless. I'm sorry if I don't find this impressive.
Anyone else find it strange that I use comic examples for why Predators lose but no comic evidence can be present to support a win? I wonder what that is about? Oh yeah! There isn't any