Originally posted by jinzin
i don't hate spiderman.. I hate his fanboys... I have more spiderman comics than any two other heroes combined INCLUDING wolverine.. and I'm not joking 😐in spite of all the times I said the fight would go 50/50? 🤨
yeah that sounds like a win for bats to me.. 🙄
Just curious, but why Spider-Man fan-boys. Wolverine and Batman fanboys are definitely more rabid.
Did I ever say that you said Batman could beat Spider-Man? I said it was the fact that you thought Batman could stalemate Spider-Man that showed your bad judgement. Looks like that judgement of yours inferes with your ability to read and comprehend 🙄
And for someone who has so many Spider-Man issues you know surprising little about him. Or maybe it's Batman you don't know anything about. Whatever
Originally posted by marvelprince(*sigh*) you obviously weren't around during the era of the trio thread that's for sure...
Just curious, but why Spider-Man fan-boys. Wolverine and Batman fanboys are definitely more rabid.
Originally posted by marvelprincethe second part of my post was directed towards someone else.. hence the QUOTE of SOMEONE ELSE... obviously it's YOUR reading and comprehension skills that need to be checked.... " 🙄 " indeed...
Did I ever say that you said Batman could beat Spider-Man? I said it was the fact that you thought Batman could stalemate Spider-Man that showed your bad judgement. Looks like that judgement of yours inferes with your ability to read and comprehend
Originally posted by marvelprinceI don't know much about him? or I don't overrate his ass like so many spidey fans are privey to do... ORRRRR I don't call batman a PIS character like so many spidey fans are also privy to?
And for someone who has so many Spider-Man issues you know surprising little about him. Or maybe it's Batman you don't know anything about. Whatever
the thing is..sure spider sense makes a mockery of human beings in h2h.. REGULAR human beings.. spider sense and spider speed and agility are spiderman's equilizer for his total lack of training whatsoever. He's even alluded to this while fighting iron fist.. and that's the thing.
Sure spidey can punk plenty of humans.. but most peak human heroes (who achieve arguable metahuman stats through training alone) punk ass loads of humans as well...
the fact is, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, whenever spiderman is put up against a good smart fighter with great training and experience, spiderman has a fight on his hands...
he's come accross this time and time again, and sure he's able to bound around superhuman villains but it's hardly comparible since his villians commonly lack the intelligence, training or experience that most peak human fighters who hand it to spiderman DO have.
you can sit there and claim it's PIS a lot of spidey fans do, I sit here and look at it as consistency...
the other factis, batman has a TON of feats that put him FAR above the capabilities of most peak human's that do land hits on spidey and give him good fights... it's not unreasonable at all to say that batman can stailmate spidey here... or beat him...
Originally posted by jinzin
(*sigh*) you obviously weren't around during the era of the trio thread that's for sure...
There were only a handful of good debaters defending that, all of the trio defenders thought wolverine beat spiderman alone, talk about fanboyism.
Wolverine fanboys are the worst of the forum, barnun. From absurd things like him beating superman, to metallo, to wonderwoman, to the sinister six, Namor, and so on is ridiculous. Not to mention that that was a non CIS fight anyways. So its comparison is moot.
Don't get me started with Batman.
Originally posted by jinzinI'm not saying you don't know much about him at all, but I really need to see where this overrating is coming, most of the fans are saying that spiderman simply has the tools at his disposal discarding anything right off the bat, because this again (no matter how many times I seem to explain it), is a hypothetical match. Not a match made for the fans where characters job.
I don't know much about him? or I don't overrate his ass like so many spidey fans are privey to do... ORRRRR I don't call batman a PIS character like so many spidey fans are also privy to?
Batman's toolbelt is a walking Case of PIS, it has whatever the writers need for that particular story, not that its a bad thing, it makes a good story, but fans go crazy in the forum. Then you have wolverine's healing factor, which also fluctuates rapidly from writer to writer, to meet the story arc, or to match him up with more powerful foes, the way that Batman gets made godly in the JLA. Again nothing too bad about that if it makes an interesting story, but it goes beyond the "supsension of disbelief" that is in this forum.
You could argue spiderman's spider sense, but his doesn't even function as often as it needs to in the first place.
Originally posted by jinzinAnd people who are superhumanly fast as well.
the thing is..sure spider sense makes a mockery of human beings in h2h.. REGULAR human beings..
Originally posted by jinzinHow is he not trained as this point, are we talking about Teenage Parker or adult Parker, Spiderman is as resourseful and witty (both kinds) as they come.
spider sense and spider speed and agility are spiderman's equilizer for his total lack of training whatsoever. He's even alluded to this while fighting iron fist.. and that's the thing.
His strength, webbing, ability to stick to walls, also over-compensate for that, and his style is unorthodox as well, something the trio couldn't do if Spiderman got himself on a wall. But when fanboys are around, there are no walls, every match proceeds to take place in a desert for some reason or another.
Let's not forget to be careful with what a "character says", because after all Wolverine said he was no match for Elektra, but of course I'm going to hear it doesn't count, aren't I?
Originally posted by jinzinAgreed. Spiderman holds back a shitload more though.
Sure spidey can punk plenty of humans.. but most peak human heroes (who achieve arguable metahuman stats through training alone) punk ass loads of humans as well...
Originally posted by jinzinAnd when I read spiderman in these situations, one opponent is out for blood, while the other is trying to calm spiderman down, I hardly think current spiderman would have any problem with a silly peak human, unless they had some ridiculous power.
the fact is, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, whenever spiderman is put up against a good smart fighter with great training and experience, spiderman has a fight on his hands...
Originally posted by jinzinMost of his Villans are geniuses, most of his villans negate his very powers, most of his villans are stronger, faster, and more numerous than him, but he wins somehow.
he's come accross this time and time again, and sure he's able to bound around superhuman villains but it's hardly comparible since his villians commonly lack the intelligence, training or experience that most peak human fighters who hand it to spiderman DO have.
The world's best martial artist doesn't beat the world's largest elephant, its common sense, I remember people actually trying to argue that a martial artist could. When I'm 30x stronger than you, 10x faster than you, and alot more agile than you with webbing thats 120lb per meter tensile strength, I have to try very hard not to kill you, and I'm sure Peter knows more than enough about the human anatomy to hit someone in a nerve spot to put them down.
Originally posted by jinzinDoesn't matter how many times something happens, if its crap its crap, or if its jobbing, its jobbing. Matches that are described in the comics are seldom how they would go in the forum, which makes guys like Flash (who gets hit all of the time) gods. Are you telling me that you would actually argue flash getting hit by boomerangs logical?
you can sit there and claim it's PIS a lot of spidey fans do, I sit here and look at it as consistency...
Originally posted by jinzinBut at the end of the day, batman is a peak human with gadgets without a good story ark, and spiderman is always going to be stronger, faster, more agile, etc. So the fight will always go against him. Always.
the other factis, batman has a TON of feats that put him FAR above the capabilities of most peak human's that do land hits on spidey and give him good fights... it's not unreasonable at all to say that batman can stailmate spidey here... or beat him...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There were only a handful of good debaters defending that, all of the trio defenders thought wolverine beat spiderman alone, talk about fanboyism.Wolverine fanboys are the worst of the forum, barnun. From absurd things like him beating superman, to metallo, to wonderwoman, to the sinister six, Namor, and so on is ridiculous. Not to mention that that was a non CIS fight anyways. So its comparison is moot.
Don't get me started with Batman.
I'm not saying you don't know much about him at all, but I really need to see where this overrating is coming, most of the fans are saying that spiderman simply has the tools at his disposal discarding anything right off the bat, because this again (no matter how many times I seem to explain it), is a hypothetical match. Not a match made for the fans where characters job.
Batman's toolbelt is a walking Case of PIS, it has whatever the writers need for that particular story, not that its a bad thing, it makes a good story, but fans go crazy in the forum. Then you have wolverine's healing factor, which also fluctuates rapidly from writer to writer, to meet the story arc, or to match him up with more powerful foes, the way that Batman gets made godly in the JLA. Again nothing too bad about that if it makes an interesting story, but it goes beyond the "supsension of disbelief" that is in this forum.
You could argue spiderman's spider sense, but his doesn't even function as often as it needs to in the first place.
And people who are superhumanly fast as well.
How is he not trained as this point, are we talking about Teenage Parker or adult Parker, Spiderman is as resourseful and witty (both kinds) as they come.
His strength, webbing, ability to stick to walls, also over-compensate for that, and his style is unorthodox as well, something the trio couldn't do if Spiderman got himself on a wall. But when fanboys are around, there are no walls, every match proceeds to take place in a desert for some reason or another.
Let's not forget to be careful with what a "character says", because after all Wolverine said he was no match for Elektra, but of course I'm going to hear it doesn't count, aren't I?
Agreed. Spiderman holds back a shitload more though.
And when I read spiderman in these situations, one opponent is out for blood, while the other is trying to calm spiderman down, I hardly think current spiderman would have any problem with a silly peak human, unless they had some ridiculous power.
Most of his Villans are geniuses, most of his villans negate his very powers, most of his villans are stronger, faster, and more numerous than him, but he wins somehow.
The world's best martial artist doesn't beat the world's largest elephant, its common sense, I remember people actually trying to argue that a martial artist could. When I'm 30x stronger than you, 10x faster than you, and alot more agile than you with webbing thats 120lb per meter tensile strength, I have to try very hard not to kill you, and I'm sure Peter knows more than enough about the human anatomy to hit someone in a nerve spot to put them down.
Doesn't matter how many times something happens, if its crap its crap, or if its jobbing, its jobbing. Matches that are described in the comics are seldom how they would go in the forum, which makes guys like Flash (who gets hit all of the time) gods. Are you telling me that you would actually argue flash getting hit by boomerangs logical?
But at the end of the day, batman is a peak human with gadgets without a good story ark, and spiderman is always going to be stronger, faster, more agile, etc. So the fight will always go against him. Always.
Thank you
Originally posted by jinzin
the second part of my post was directed towards someone else.. hence the QUOTE of SOMEONE ELSE... obviously it's YOUR reading and comprehension skills that need to be checked.... " 🙄 " indeed...
Then I apologize for that part. I've no problem admitting I was wrong.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't know much about him? or I don't overrate his ass like so many spidey fans are privey to do... ORRRRR I don't call batman a PIS character like so many spidey fans are also privy to?
ORRR you don't know much about him and don't realize that Batman IS a PIS character.
"Luckily I had some pesticide Ivy"
"I'll just use this mini laser to get out of this ice"
"This gas I cooked up can get rid of his super speed"
"I made you download the traits of Professor Hawking"
"Luckily I had this kryptonite"
"Good thing I had these sonics to deal with Croc"
Yup. Not a PIS character at all.
Originally posted by jinzin
the thing is..sure spider sense makes a mockery of human beings in h2h.. REGULAR human beings.. spider sense and spider speed and agility are spiderman's equilizer for his total lack of training whatsoever. He's even alluded to this while fighting iron fist.. and that's the thing.
So I guess when someone with tons more speed than a trained human comes along Spidey always gets his beat. "Damn, it's Venom and Carnage again. Better get Danny out here." BTW, Daredevil and Captain America have both alluded that they can never hope to match Spider-man speed/agility.
Originally posted by jinzin
Sure spidey can punk plenty of humans.. but most peak human heroes (who achieve arguable metahuman stats through training alone) punk ass loads of humans as well...
So your logic since Silver Surfer can also punk human, trained humans are on the same level as SS. Do you see how that not a good analogy?
Originally posted by jinzin
the fact is, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, whenever spiderman is put up against a good smart fighter with great training and experience, spiderman has a fight on his hands...
I'm gonna assume you are speaking in reference to Spidey's fights with guys like Daredevil and Iron Fist. Well there is a simple explanation for that. Marvel just won't let one of its heroes get punked by another one. Even in a fight where you can pull it a clear winner (and how rare is that) there is always some way that both characters appear evenly matched.
Originally posted by jinzin
he's come accross this time and time again, and sure he's able to bound around superhuman villains but it's hardly comparible since his villians commonly lack the intelligence, training or experience that most peak human fighters who hand it to spiderman DO have.
Right since Osborn and Doc Ock are idiots comparison to Shang and Danny. Your right about experience and training, but that really doesn't matter since no amount of training can get you too the point where you can move faster than thought and lift up helicopters. Peak human fighters who do hand it too Spidey? Wtf. Mind sharing who those are?
Originally posted by jinzin
you can sit there and claim it's PIS a lot of spidey fans do, I sit here and look at it as consistency...
And I can look at the consistent amount of times punks with little powers or no training have beat Batman...
Originally posted by jinzin
the other factis, batman has a TON of feats that put him FAR above the capabilities of most peak human's that do land hits on spidey and give him good fights... it's not unreasonable at all to say that batman can stailmate spidey here... or beat him...
Unreasonable. No. Factual. Yes. Look at Batman's feats. Take away the exploitable weakness (like kryponite and such) and the just-in-the-nick-of-time gadgets and what do have? A man far above the likes of any human, but nonetheless a man who pales in comparison to Spidey.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There were only a handful of good debaters defending that, all of the trio defenders thought wolverine beat spiderman alone, talk about fanboyism.Wolverine fanboys are the worst of the forum, barnun. From absurd things like him beating superman, to metallo, to wonderwoman, to the sinister six, Namor, and so on is ridiculous. Not to mention that that was a non CIS fight anyways. So its comparison is moot.
Don't get me started with Batman.
I'm not saying you don't know much about him at all, but I really need to see where this overrating is coming, most of the fans are saying that spiderman simply has the tools at his disposal discarding anything right off the bat, because this again (no matter how many times I seem to explain it), is a hypothetical match. Not a match made for the fans where characters job.
Batman's toolbelt is a walking Case of PIS, it has whatever the writers need for that particular story, not that its a bad thing, it makes a good story, but fans go crazy in the forum. Then you have wolverine's healing factor, which also fluctuates rapidly from writer to writer, to meet the story arc, or to match him up with more powerful foes, the way that Batman gets made godly in the JLA. Again nothing too bad about that if it makes an interesting story, but it goes beyond the "supsension of disbelief" that is in this forum.
You could argue spiderman's spider sense, but his doesn't even function as often as it needs to in the first place.
And people who are superhumanly fast as well.
How is he not trained as this point, are we talking about Teenage Parker or adult Parker, Spiderman is as resourseful and witty (both kinds) as they come.
His strength, webbing, ability to stick to walls, also over-compensate for that, and his style is unorthodox as well, something the trio couldn't do if Spiderman got himself on a wall. But when fanboys are around, there are no walls, every match proceeds to take place in a desert for some reason or another.
Let's not forget to be careful with what a "character says", because after all Wolverine said he was no match for Elektra, but of course I'm going to hear it doesn't count, aren't I?
Agreed. Spiderman holds back a shitload more though.
And when I read spiderman in these situations, one opponent is out for blood, while the other is trying to calm spiderman down, I hardly think current spiderman would have any problem with a silly peak human, unless they had some ridiculous power.
Most of his Villans are geniuses, most of his villans negate his very powers, most of his villans are stronger, faster, and more numerous than him, but he wins somehow.
The world's best martial artist doesn't beat the world's largest elephant, its common sense, I remember people actually trying to argue that a martial artist could. When I'm 30x stronger than you, 10x faster than you, and alot more agile than you with webbing thats 120lb per meter tensile strength, I have to try very hard not to kill you, and I'm sure Peter knows more than enough about the human anatomy to hit someone in a nerve spot to put them down.
Doesn't matter how many times something happens, if its crap its crap, or if its jobbing, its jobbing. Matches that are described in the comics are seldom how they would go in the forum, which makes guys like Flash (who gets hit all of the time) gods. Are you telling me that you would actually argue flash getting hit by boomerangs logical?
But at the end of the day, batman is a peak human with gadgets without a good story ark, and spiderman is always going to be stronger, faster, more agile, etc. So the fight will always go against him. Always.
I take my hat off to you kind sir. Well I would if I was wearing one, but why quibble.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The world's best martial artist doesn't beat the world's largest elephant, its common sense, I remember people actually trying to argue that a martial artist could. When I'm 30x stronger than you, 10x faster than you, and alot more agile than you with webbing thats 120lb per meter tensile strength, I have to try very hard not to kill you, and I'm sure Peter knows more than enough about the human anatomy to hit someone in a nerve sp ot to put them down.
The world's best martial artist stands a very good chance of beating the worlds largest elephant. Simple when the elephant charges you simply move out of the way, and let the elephant's momentum carry it into what ever was behind you.
Or where you thinking about fighting the elephant physically, in which case, you have a point.
Being 30x stronger, 10x faster, more agile, and webbing that is 120lb per meter tensile strength are all advantages for this opponent. But what if the person that said person was to fight had a suit capable of protecting him from people 30x stronger and 10x faster. The person is very good at reading situations, so as to create elaborate plans that would help him in the long run. Which hardly ever fails. I know Bruce would never be as strong as any meta but he has the skill and the know how to maneuver trough dangerous situations and come out on top or not get killed.
Originally posted by marvelprince
ORRR you don't know much about him and don't realize that Batman IS a PIS character."Luckily I had some pesticide Ivy"
"I'll just use this mini laser to get out of this ice"
"This gas I cooked up can get rid of his super speed"
"I made you download the traits of Professor Hawking"
"Luckily I had this kryptonite"
"Good thing I had these sonics to deal with Croc"Yup. Not a PIS character at all.
It seems to me you do not know what the hell you are talking about. Where is the PIS
"Luckily I had some pesticide Ivy"
Funny how left out the part where batman does some investigative work to realize that he is dealing with Ivy.
"I'll just use this mini laser to get out of this ice" Equipment shown to have in different appearances.
"This gas I cooked up can get rid of his super speed" I don't know about this one. Do you know where it came from? Or where you just saying?
"I made you download the traits of Professor Hawking" Funny how you left out the part, where oracle helped in creating the devise
"Luckily I had this kryptonite" Something, he is said to have on person every time.
"Good thing I had these sonics to deal with Croc" Funny how you forgot to mention detective work again.
There are PIS in batman's career however the major equipment he uses always have a good logical explanation on how he came across such a device.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
The world's best martial artist stands a very good chance of beating the worlds largest elephant. Simple when the elephant charges you simply move out of the way, and let the elephant's momentum carry it into what ever was behind you.
That's very good in theory. Assuming of course there is something to run into. Assuming the elephant is just gonna charge all out. I chose elephants for a reason, cause they are not stupid. Also look online. You'll see a lot of so-called martial art masters try to stop things like Bulls but they end up getting mauled. Kinda funny really
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Or where you thinking about fighting the elephant physically, in which case, you have a point.
Yup.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Being 30x stronger, 10x faster, more agile, and webbing that is 120lb per meter tensile strength are all advantages for this opponent. But what if the person that said person was to fight had a suit capable of protecting him from people 30x stronger and 10x faster. The person is very good at reading situations, so as to create elaborate plans that would help him in the long run. Which hardly ever fails. I know Bruce would never be as strong as any meta but he has the skill and the know how to maneuver trough dangerous situations and come out on top or not get killed.
When did Bruce make such a suit? Enlighten me. The specs of the suit were to be bullet proof, protect him from regular injuries and be flame retarded. Again, your assuming Spider-Man is some idiot. Spider-Man has all the advantages you listed and has proven time and time again that he is very goood at thinking on his feet so this Bruce outthinking him so easily is just a desperate attempt by the Bat fan-boys. BTW, what kind of long-term plan can Bruce think of if Spider-Man can move at the speed of thought and only requires one hit to lay Bruce out? If this is Bruce in the symbiote and Peter with no strength then you have a point, if not then your just grasping at straws.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
It seems to me you do not know what the hell you are talking about. Where is the PIS"Luckily I had some pesticide Ivy"
Funny how left out the part where batman does some investigative work to realize that he is dealing with Ivy."I'll just use this mini laser to get out of this ice" Equipment shown to have in different appearances.
"This gas I cooked up can get rid of his super speed" I don't know about this one. Do you know where it came from? Or where you just saying?
"I made you download the traits of Professor Hawking" Funny how you left out the part, where oracle helped in creating the devise
"Luckily I had this kryptonite" Something, he is said to have on person every time.
"Good thing I had these sonics to deal with Croc" Funny how you forgot to mention detective work again.
There are PIS in batman's career however the major equipment he uses always have a good logical explanation on how he came across such a device.
So because there is an explanation behind it means that its not PIS. Wtf? I'm sorry but I don't see how Bruce saying, "I figured it was you so I brought *insert device here*", doesn't qualify PIS for you. Besides, this is all besides the point. Bruce comes to a fight, gets beat up, then comes again saying he did some detective work and reveals a brand new gadget that suddenly gives him all the advantages. He doesn't go home and think and plan how to fight smarter (most of the time). He goes home, clicks some buttons on his computer and comes up with a device that will get him the win. I can see how you wouldn't recognize the PIS in that though 🙄
BTW, he does not always have the krytonite on him. In the OYL Batman he didn't know he was fighting Ivy, yet he had pesticide in the sprinkler system. I don't see how Oracle doesn't scream PIS to you either. ANd I can think of at least 2 occasions where he has used nerve gas to subdue difficult villians yet nerve gas is not part of the regular arsenal
Originally posted by marvelprince
BTW, he does not always have the krytonite on him. In the OYL Batman he didn't know he was fighting Ivy, yet he had pesticide in the sprinkler system. I don't see how Oracle doesn't scream PIS to you either. ANd I can think of at least 2 occasions where he has used nerve gas to subdue difficult villians yet nerve gas is not part of the regular arsenal
There more plot devices than PIS, as it isn't realy stupid the fact that he has them, but he couldnt beat the enmeies without them.
Like I said before
Originally posted by Blade CutterYou people just don't get it this fight is basicly Peter with no powers vs Bruce out of his suit (sense Batman none has ever thing to match Spider-man power).List the Vomen suit gives him speed thats I would say faster thin Peter's none(do to the symbiote if Brocks speed was rased to near Spider-man's speed think off how much it would amp Batman who is all ready a peak human not just in strength like Eddy),Same goes for agility and reflexes.There durbility will be about the same both will be bullet proof do to the there suit's.Batman will also have a type of spider sense like Venom did.So it will be just as hard for Peter to hit him as it will be for Bruce to hit Peter(even moreso for Peter do to him being not as good of fighter in H2H).Bruce is the better fighter in H2H (don't get me wrong Spider-0man self tought fighting style is verey good and hard to counter and he has been training with Steave Rodgers aka Cap A)but he is just levels below Bruce in just fighting.thats basicly what this is because all the speed and agility advantage's that would off made it to hard to counter his moves have been thrown out the window here.Pluss Batman is now the STRONGER ONE HERE so almost every reason you guys argued for Spider-man in the Batman vs Spider-man thread you should now be using for Batman and even more so sense Bruce still has his old advantage's.Batman wins 6-7/10.Peter can win some do to his stingers and gliding ability.PS. Please do not say Batman will not be use to his powers so he would lose....I shut the dumb talk down ......Quote by ME...I'm tired of arguing against Spider-man.So I will shut your hole Batman will not be used to more power argument down.1 How long did it take Venom and Carnage to start kick Peter's but?(So why would it take Batman so much longer?).2 How long did it take Batman to get used to the Lantern ring and the Speed force (answer almost instant).3 When Dr. Doom stole Silver Surfer's power it did him any getting used to too make the FF his bitches.4 Same goes for Doom when he stole the Beyonder's powers to kick every body's ass.Look at Parasite and all the times he stole some ones power does he every need to leave and practise for a week before fighting some one no!! the powers don't even stay with him for a week before they go back to who ever he stole them from.I tire of going against Spider-man win he is fighting Batman so this may be my last post on this thread.So just think about what I'm trying to say for a minute thank you and have a good....END QUOTE .Guy think all you oare doing is giving a bad name to spider-man fans and they will use this against use in other forms so please stop saying Spider-man would win.
Spider-man is now the weaker less skilled hero out the two now.Look I would pick SM 6/10 vs Batman with a week of prep.But not here I don't see whats is so hard to under stand Batman now has ever advantage here.I do not see how you two think that it will be harder for Batman to adapt to more power then it would for Spider-man to adapt to less power.If we were racing and I had a car with 42% less horse power then I'm used to and get a car with 28% more horse power then me and is equal to my car in every other way you should win.We both have to adapt to change but you have the advantage now same goes for Batman and Spider-man.Batman 6-7/10.
(Sorry my power went out so I was not able to edit it.So I will double post sorry.)
(Quote post. )(Originally posted by Blade Cutter) .Spider-man is now the weaker less skilled hero out the two now.Look I would pick SM 6/10 vs Batman with a week of prep.But not here I don't see whats is so hard to under stand Batman now has ever advantage here.I do not see how you two think that it will be harder for Batman to adapt to more power then it would for Spider-man to adapt to less power.If we were racing and I had a car with 42% less horse power then I'm used to and get a car with 28% more horse power then me and is equal to my car in every other way you should win.We both have to adapt to change but you have the advantage now same goes for Batman and Spider-man.Batman 6-7/10.END QUOTE.
You people just don't get it this fight is basically Peter with no powers vs Bruce out of his suit (sense Batman none has ever thing to match Spider-man power).List the Venom suit gives him speed thats I would say faster thin Peter's none(do to the symbiote if Brock's speed was raised to near Spider-man's speed think off how much it would amp Batman who is all ready a peak human not just in strength like Eddy),Same goes for agility and reflexes.There durability will be about the same both will be bullet proof do to the there suit's.Batman will also have a type of spider sense like Venom did.So it will be just as hard for Peter to hit him as it will be for Bruce to hit Peter(even more so for Peter do to him being not as good of fighter in H2H).Bruce is the better fighter in H2H (don't get me wrong Spider-man self taught fighting style is very good and hard to counter and he has been training with Steve Rodgers aka Cap A)but he is just levels below Bruce in just fighting.thats basically what this is because all the speed and agility advantage's that would off made it to hard to counter his moves have been thrown out the window here.Plus Batman is now the STRONGER ONE HERE so almost every reason you guys argued for Spider-man in the Batman vs Spider-man thread you should now be using for Batman and even more so sense Bruce still has his old advantage's.Batman wins 6-7/10.Peter can win some do to his stingers and gliding ability.PS. Please do not say Batman will not be use to his powers so he would lose....I shut the dumb talk down .......Quote by ME...I'm tired of arguing against Spider-man.So I will shut your hole Batman will not be used to more power argument down.1 How long did it take Venom and Carnage to start kick Peter's but?(So why would it take Batman so much longer?).2 How long did it take Batman to get used to the Lantern ring and the Speed force (answer almost instant).3 When Dr. Doom stole Silver Surfer's power it did him any getting used to too make the FF his bitches.4 Same goes for Doom when he stole the Beyonder's powers to kick every body's ass.Look at Parasite and all the times he stole some ones power does he every need to leave and practise for a week before fighting some one no!! the powers don't even stay with him for a week before they go back to who ever he stole them from.I tire of going against Spider-man win he is fighting Batman so this may be my last post on this thread.So just think about what I'm trying to say for a minute thank you and have a good....END QUOTE .Guy think all you oare doing is giving a bad name to spider-man fans and they will use this against use in other forms so please stop saying Spider-man would win.
Originally posted by marvelprince
That's very good in theory. Assuming of course there is something to run into. Assuming the elephant is just gonna charge all out. I chose elephants for a reason, cause they are not stupid. Also look online. You'll see a lot of so-called martial art masters try to stop things like Bulls but they end up getting mauled. Kinda funny really
Yeah I am pretty sure the elephant is going to be thinking I should not run too fast. Or I might miss and broke a bone.
Originally posted by marvelprince
When did Bruce make such a suit? Enlighten me. The specs of the suit were to be bullet proof, protect him from regular injuries and be flame retarded. Again, your assuming Spider-Man is some idiot. Spider-Man has all the advantages you listed and has proven time and time again that he is very goood at thinking on his feet so this Bruce out thinking him so easily is just a desperate attempt by the Bat fan-boys. BTW, what kind of long-term plan can Bruce think of if Spider-Man can move at the speed of thought and only requires one hit to lay Bruce out? If this is Bruce in the symbiote and Peter with no strength then you have a point, if not then your just grasping at straws.
It seems to me all you are doing is just telling me about the movie batmen. Yup
Spiderman is no idiot but he is no batman either. Bruce out thinking spiderman is no different from say peter being stronger than batman. They all have their plus and minuses.
Originally posted by marvelprince
So because there is an explanation behind it means that its not PIS. Wtf? I'm sorry but I don't see how Bruce saying, "I figured it was you so I brought *insert device here*", doesn't qualify PIS for you. Besides, this is all besides the point. Bruce comes to a fight, gets beat up, then comes again saying he did some detective work and reveals a brand new gadget that suddenly gives him all the advantages. He doesn't go home and think and plan how to fight smarter (most of the time). He goes home, clicks some buttons on his computer and comes up with a device that will get him the win. I can see how you wouldn't recognize the PIS in that though roll eyes (sarcastic)
So because there is an explanation it is PIS?