Proof, proof and more proof?

Originally posted by Nellinator
If you had someone to translate perhaps it would have made more sense. In fact the Bible teaches that Christians should not publicly speak in tongues without a translator or interpreter.

Shondi onda killa de shondi ohhh ana mo shondi andi anamaka dia ...Day-O Day-O daylight come and me wanta go home.........etc....lol

I can speak in tounges: Osi'kyr! Ni'duraa! Ne'johaa!

Originally posted by debbiejo
I have also heard people speak in tongues...and it's all redundant...same mummblings over and over again.....and it's a waste and not at all used as was mentioned in the book of Acts.....they should be speaking OTHER languages and only when there are people that are attending that would not understand it....This was the purpose of speaking in tongues.....NOT what it has become today....Some churches even give classes in "This gift"........how can it be a gift if you have to be taught it........I've heard it so often, I can memic it myself... 😖mart:

Shondi onda killa de shondi ohhh ana mo shondi andi anamaka dia ...Day-O Day-O daylight come and me wanta go home.........etc....lol

Agreed. The gift of Tongues is merely the ability to speak in various languages, and I believe it was stated that it was speaking so that many people understood the speech in their native tongue.

It also taught as a prayer language for many Christians to use. When speaking in the Holy Spirit it is though that one prays for the things God wants for your life, not what you want for your life.

Everything aside it is difficult to explain from a secular point of view when it is being use as it was intended. Can anyone come up with a logical explanation?

I didn't know that Christians prayed in Mando'a!

Originally posted by Nellinator
It also taught as a prayer language for many Christians to use. When speaking in the Holy Spirit it is though that one prays for the things God wants for your life, not what you want for your life.

Everything aside it is difficult to explain from a secular point of view when it is being use as it was intended. Can anyone come up with a logical explanation?

Somewhere along the line someone really screwed with that version of the religion as far as that goes. There isn't anywhere in the Bible that suggests that man would babble incoherently to pray. Christ gave examples of how to pray, and it wasn't by babbling incoherently. Also, nowhere in the New Testament was this new "tongue" described.

Sorry, you asked for a logical explanation.

I would agree with your statement that it is a false way to pray.

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Isnt alcohol an abomination? 😄

Originally posted by The Omega
First of all I'd like proof that Jesus ever existed. I've come across none outside the Christian Bible.
Then I'd need someone to prove to me, that the Bible is the infalliable word of a deity. The Christian Bible is filled with faulty translations, contradictions, and scientific nonsense.
Then I'd probably like someone to explain to me why God once interferred directly (Sodoma and Gomorra, burning bushes, parting oceans) and then CHANGED his mind.

I've never actually heard of a large debate among religious historians about Jesus's existence.

The Bible is not the only place where Jesus is mentioned. The Qur'an mentions him often, and he is a highly regarded prophet in Islam. I do know there is some discrepancy in Judaism in regards to his existence, but I am not as well versed in that religion to go into more detail--perhaps someone here can fill me in?

So, no, no one has a body and a DNA sample to analyze, and there is the possibility that Jesus was created out of many different people, as is the case with Lao Tzu, but I have never heard much support in the way of that theory. But given his huge influence from a historical context, I find the claim that he never existed doubtful.

Originally posted by MyOwnMuse
I've never actually heard of a large debate among religious historians about Jesus's existence.

The Bible is not the only place where Jesus is mentioned. The Qur'an mentions him often, and he is a highly regarded prophet in Islam. I do know there is some discrepancy in Judaism in regards to his existence, but I am not as well versed in that religion to go into more detail--perhaps someone here can fill me in?

But then Islam was founded some 400 years after Christianity, and is some way as a direct social/cultural response to it upon the region - it would not seem odd that Jesus would be mentioned when Christianity was the big mover and shaker at Islams founding.

And yes, there is plenty of debate - the fact that there is pretty much no non-Christian texts available from the period that mention him, no real genealogical evidence, or genetic evidence. No texts as written by Jesus, no descendants, we have virtually no evidence he existed except second hand claims from the Church and written in gospels. None of which, naturally, could be considered unbiased evidence.

The problem is is that non-religious sources don't really mention Jesus until much after his alleged death.

Secluar sources would do him credit if he is in fact a "historical figure"

Originally posted by The Omega
First of all I'd like proof that Jesus ever existed. I've come across none outside the Christian Bible.
Then I'd need someone to prove to me, that the Bible is the infalliable word of a deity. The Christian Bible is filled with faulty translations, contradictions, and scientific nonsense.
Then I'd probably like someone to explain to me why God once interferred directly (Sodoma and Gomorra, burning bushes, parting oceans) and then CHANGED his mind.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The ability to speak in languages unknown to you? I'm sure that an overactive imagination cannot explain that.

Originally posted by Wonderer
...My friend, don't make me laugh! There's nothing strange about people speaking in tongues - never heard about multilingual people? And 'miraculous' healing - have you never heard of the placebo effect? That means people's own will power can heal them. There's nothing miraculous about the things you mentioned.

The power of the mind: the illusion of reality is all in a lump of gray matter, in our head. 😉

Maybe its not an illusion. Maybe we are actually interpreting things correctly.

Originally posted by Alliance
Maybe its not an illusion. Maybe we are actually interpreting things correctly.

Can your see radio waves? There is more to the universe then our senses can detect.

But we can describe radiowaves. We have mastered them. There is more to the universe, but where do we draw the line? It ends somewhere, and its not beyond human understanding and its not outside of human understanding.

Perhaps we already understand it, its just that we have yet to correctly interpret it?

Originally posted by Alliance
But we can describe radiowaves. We have mastered them. There is more to the universe, but where do we draw the line? It ends somewhere, and its not beyond human understanding and its not outside of human understanding.

Perhaps we already understand it, its just that we have yet to correctly interpret it?

That is were we disagree. I think it has no end and it is beyond our understanding. Maybe one day we will understand more of it, but there will always be more to know. If we ever got to the end, were we do understand, we will not be human anymore.

I've heard the gifts of tongues also called the language of angels....but what good is it if you are doing alone. A person wouldn't even know what they are speaking......As far as a person would know you are speaking blasphemies.....

And heretic Paul said not to do it without an interpreter.....So if that is also the case.......you would be stiffling the holy spirit wouldn't you??? 🙄 If doing it alone....

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is were we disagree. I think it has no end and it is beyond our understanding. Maybe one day we will understand more of it, but there will always be more to know. If we ever got to the end, were we do understand, we will not be human anymore.

But this is not logical. Nothing is infinate. The idea that the univers is infinate is illogical to me. If something starts with a size, how can it wend with no size? Infinity to me is jsut a cop out for saying "too big to measure"

I think knowing and understanding are two different things. We know a lot. We don't know a lot more, but very few people understand. YOu base your idea of human on a lack of complete understanding. I don't think that is accurate.