Proof, proof and more proof?

Originally posted by Alliance
But this is not logical. Nothing is infinite. The idea that the univers is infinite is illogical to me. If something starts with a size, how can it wend with no size? Infinity to me is jsut a cop out for saying "too big to measure"

I think knowing and understanding are two different things. We know a lot. We don't know a lot more, but very few people understand. YOu base your idea of human on a lack of complete understanding. I don't think that is accurate.

Infinity is not illogical. Math is extremely logical and infinity is a mathematical term.

Each dimension is infinite and without binderies.

There are parts of the universe and reality that are forever outside of our understanding. Example; what is space like inside of a black hole?

Just because infinity is a mathematical concept, doesnt mean its magically logical.

Each dimension is part of space time, which is inexorable contianted within the universt itself. The universe is by defenition the edge of the experineced dimensions.

Just becuase we don;t know whats on the inside of a black hole now, doesnt mean its forever beyond our understanding.

Originally posted by Alliance
Just because infinity is a mathematical concept, doesnt mean its magically logical.

Each dimension is part of space time, which is inexorable contianted within the universt itself. The universe is by defenition the edge of the experineced dimensions.

Just becuase we don;t know whats on the inside of a black hole now, doesnt mean its forever beyond our understanding.

We are limited, and as we increase in knowledge, we will remain limited. There will always be something we don't know, as long as we are human. We can know things directly, but most things we know are indirectly; that will always be the case.

What is the shape of a photon? What is the 9th dimension (according to string theory there should be at least 10)?

Originally posted by Alliance
Just because infinity is a mathematical concept, doesnt mean its magically logical.

Is infinity logical? It implies an enormous amount of unreachable information. It seems that infinity is merely a concept in math to avoid or label an irrational solution?

I'm not a math person, so I'm just asking the question.

You don't understand what I'm saying. We don't know everything. We certainly don't understand anything. i'm saying that its a goal thats constantly in progress.

If one starts his life, not knowing everything, learns throught his live, and dies not nowing everyhting.

You woudl say (imo) that its all the same becuase he doesn't knwo everything

I say, there was impovement, because he died knowing more.

Originally posted by Alliance
You don't understand what I'm saying. We don't know everything. We certainly don't understand anything. i'm saying that its a goal thats constantly in progress.

If one starts his life, not knowing everything, learns throught his live, and dies not nowing everyhting.

You woudl say (imo) that its all the same becuase he doesn't knwo everything

I say, there was impovement, because he died knowing more.

Ya, I don't know what we are talking about now, because I agree with that. Later I will look back and see what it was we were agreeing about. 😆

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Originally posted by Regret
Is infinity logical? It implies an enormous amount of unreachable information. It seems that infinity is merely a concept in math to avoid or label an irrational solution?

I'm not a math person, so I'm just asking the question.

I agree with this. It was a made up solution to describe numbers too big ot understand. It (to my knowledge) has never had practical applications.

Originally posted by Regret
Is infinity logical? It implies an enormous amount of unreachable information. It seems that infinity is merely a concept in math to avoid or label an irrational solution?

I'm not sure what you mean by the question.

Do you mean "merely" as a concept, as in mathematical infinity? Are you considering any kind of cosmic/spacetime infinity/eternity? What about "God" being infinite?

And what do you mean by logical? Should infinity be subject to formal rules of logic, or should it "just make sense" in a regular, guy-in-the-street kind of way?

Eg, quantum mechanics is not logical in any way we are formerly familiar with, though it is internally consistent. It's logical unto itself; and it is the most powerful representation of physical reality ever devised.

Might not infinity be "logical unto itself," and if it doesn't make sense to us that's because it doesn't have to, just like QM theory?

I'm just fishing here. I thought your statement was interesting.