Originally posted by Spartan ll
1. Yes, but how do you lose the will to live? Yoi don't just lose the will to live and die. Sion was barely holding himself together, and after you taunt him and he faulters, THEN he loses the will to live. A normal person can't lose the will to live and just die(In Padme's case, it was different, she was being choked and fainted and most likely lost a lot of air in the process, she was bound to die regardless.)
it was the exile who kept rambling at sion that she is stronger than him, the reason why sion still lives is because of his will and he is already dead, he was barely alive yes you are correct but his strong will holds his flesh and bones together, the point is he can create the storms but he would have no control of it i cannot deny that,
he is 1 very angry guy and so is his will being high
Rofl.
Sorry, Nebaris, he [Spartan] has a point. You're grasping at straws, I think, to try to put Sion on Sidious's level, by making a 'What If' thread.
I could easily say, 'What If' Palpatine possessed Sion's psuedo-invincibility? Then he'd annihilate Sion, perhaps via blinking.
Sidious > Sion. By a mile. Or seven. Sorry, but you'll have to get used to that.
Also, yeah. 'Lumiya > Sidious and Vader'.
Rofl. Lumiya herself admits that she can't access her full strength in the Force and that 'she and Vader had a lot in common'. Vader > Lumiya and Sidious >>>>> Lumiya.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
Sidous will is so storng, he can transfer himself to ANY body he wants, if Sion did have a stronger will, then why didn't he change body's?Oh yeah, because he DIDN'T.And you're basing YOUR 'proof' off of unsupported assumptions. Show me a CANON source that states Sion has the storngest will, fanboy.
I went got mine from the DE Sourcebook, now show me where your 'proof' is from.
my proof? the game itself fanboy, proof sidios has the strongest will? juz cuz he swap bodies? o then kun must be the most powerful because he somehow lived 4000 years and because he has "teh ub3r s!th @mulet", o i forgot nihilus is dying and he drains planets so that means he has the strongst will, how can i forget?? sion agreed to stop fighting and rest, it was his choice, his anger has been extinguished so that means he rests in peace.
how dumb can you be? just because some1 switchs bodies he so called has the strongest will, i always seen you on sidious side, you are the fan boy here. its some1 who is already dead and keeps his flesh together that is what strong will is to sion. and sidious swap body not because of his will, because of his knowledge
Originally posted by ESB Vader1. Kun didn't survive as a Sith Spirit because of his amulet, you stupid n00b. He survived because he LEARNED it from Sith teachings.
my proof? the game itself fanboy, proof sidios has the strongest will? juz cuz he swap bodies? o then kun must be the most powerful because he somehow lived 4000 years and because he has "teh ub3r s!th @mulet", o i forgot nihilus is dying and he drains planets so that means he has the strongst will, how can i forget?? sion agreed to stop fighting and rest, it was his choice, his anger has been extinguished so that means he rests in peace.how dumb can you be? just because some1 switchs bodies he so called has the strongest will, i always seen you on sidious side, you are the fan boy here. its some1 who is already dead and keeps his flesh together that is what strong will is to sion. and sidious swap body not because of his will, because of his knowledge
2. Game mechanics aren't considered canon only the cutscenes are. Even then, it doesn't state your 'point' anywhere in the game.
Sion dies because when he decided to lose control of his hate and anger and lets go of all three.
And nowhere,NOWHERE does it state Sion>Sidious, except YOUR opinion, which is as canon as shit.
And I got my info from the DE Sourcebook, which is INDEED canon, unlike your twisted opinion.
And learn how to spell, I can hardly read your posts.
Originally posted by Escape81
Rofl.Sorry, Nebaris, he [Spartan] has a point. You're grasping at straws, I think, to try to put Sion on Sidious's level, by making a 'What If' thread.
I could easily say, 'What If' Palpatine possessed Sion's psuedo-invincibility? Then he'd annihilate Sion, perhaps via blinking.
Sidious > Sion. By a mile. Or seven. Sorry, but you'll have to get used to that.
Also, yeah. 'Lumiya > Sidious and Vader'.
Rofl. Lumiya herself admits that she can't access her full strength in the Force and that 'she and Vader had a lot in common'. Vader > Lumiya and Sidious >>>>> Lumiya.
I admitted earlier in this thread that my theory was probably wrong Escape. You were online at the time. I still don't think that it's right. I just don't agree with Spartan's faulty reasoning, because it was very illogical and I do not like him.
Dude, I have made it clear many times that I wasn't being serious about Lumiya. When I originally registered, I used to come up with these crazy beliefs so I could wind people up and get in more intense debates. How do you still not know this, have you not seen me post recently? I haven't come up with something so crazy since.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
1. Kun didn't survive as a Sith Spirit because of his amulet, you stupid n00b. He survived because he LEARNED it from Sith teachings.2. Game mechanics aren't considered canon only the cutscenes are. Even then, it doesn't state your 'point' anywhere in the game.
Sion dies because when he decided to lose control of his hate and anger and lets go of all three.
And nowhere,NOWHERE does it state Sion>Sidious, except YOUR opinion, which is as canon as shit.
And I got my info from the DE Sourcebook, which is INDEED canon, unlike your twisted opinion.
And learn how to spell, I can hardly read your posts.
1. Reported. 'you stupid n00b' is uncalled for.
2. That doesn't mean that we completely disregard game mechanics.
6. ROFLMAO!! That's a bit rich, don't you think?
Originally posted by Spartan ll
1. Kun didn't survive as a Sith Spirit because of his amulet, you stupid n00b. He survived because he LEARNED it from Sith teachings.2. Game mechanics aren't considered canon only the cutscenes are. Even then, it doesn't state your 'point' anywhere in the game.
Sion dies because when he decided to lose control of his hate and anger and lets go of all three.
And nowhere,NOWHERE does it state Sion>Sidious, except YOUR opinion, which is as canon as shit.
And I got my info from the DE Sourcebook, which is INDEED canon, unlike your twisted opinion.
And learn how to spell, I can hardly read your posts.
fool u said sidious will is so strong that he can switch bodies, kun learnt to do it as how sidious did does that make kun just as good? no, same thing, sidious LEARNT how to swap bodiesand so did kun
2. it was the cut scene which said sion would keep coming back again and again -OWNED
3. sion will fuk up when he makes a force storm if he gives up half way, sion by himself will cannot be worn down, its only if some1 who keeps beating it into his head, if some1 said to him "sion u cant make force storms, u suck big time" again and again then pursuade him, thats when he cant
my twisted opinion? i say the facts, i know you are too, but my point is sions will is so powerful he came back from the dead and held his body parts together.
if sidious will is that strong he would have stop his last clone from dehydrating which he could have if he had the will equal to sions
this proves sion has the hate and will to create a force storm but the only downtime is his mastery isnt as great as sidious.
in a match if sidious can talk sion into dieing then yea, sidious >>> sion
the point is sion can replicate the storm if he read the book of anger
1 last thing i never ever fu*king ever said sion is better than sidious
Originally posted by ESB Vader
fool u said sidious will is so strong that he can switch bodies, kun learnt to do it as how sidious did does that make kun just as good? no, same thing, sidious LEARNT how to swap bodiesand so did kun
When did Exar actually "switch bodies"? As I recall, and what actually did happen, he only released his spirit due to building a sphere which trapped life energy, so as he could run free through the cosmos as a spirit. Kun has never switched his body. And as a spirit, he didn't do that either. If he could do it, he definitely could've taken over Kyp Durron with ease. Since he didn't, and because I've never even heard any mention of anything like that - he can't. Please provide your proof, which should consist of an exact quote, and source.
Originally posted by ESB Vader1. Yeah, I did. You need to learn reading comprehention and how to spell. I never said anything about Kun being able to switch bodies, he could only hold his spirit and consiousness to a specific place.
fool u said sidious will is so strong that he can switch bodies, kun learnt to do it as how sidious did does that make kun just as good? no, same thing, sidious LEARNT how to swap bodiesand so did kun2. it was the cut scene which said sion would keep coming back again and again -OWNED
3. sion will fuk up when he makes a force storm if he gives up half way, sion by himself will cannot be worn down, its only if some1 who keeps beating it into his head, if some1 said to him "sion u cant make force storms, u suck big time" again and again then pursuade him, thats when he cant
my twisted opinion? i say the facts, i know you are too, but my point is sions will is so powerful he came back from the dead and held his body parts together.
if sidious will is that strong he would have stop his last clone from dehydrating which he could have if he had the will equal to sions
this proves sion has the hate and will to create a force storm but the only downtime is his mastery isnt as great as sidious.
in a match if sidious can talk sion into dieing then yea, sidious >>> sion
the point is sion can replicate the storm if he read the book of anger1 last thing i never ever fu*king ever said sion is better than sidious
2.Not unless he gets the Force drained out of him from Nihilus or Palpatine(Yes, Palpatine DOES know every darkside technique known, he even made a few himself(Force Storm), from the DE Sourcebook itself.), if you look on the Official K2 site, in Sion's profile, it states that darkside was also keeping him together.
3.No, the power and willpower to make a Force Sotrm is immense, even Palpatine(The Best Sith in History) couldn't control them completely, how do you think Sion, who is EXTREMELY bellow Palptine, would fair?
4. Your 'facts' are nothing but your biased opinion and unsupported assumptions. Not once, have I seen you list a source for your info, which leads me to believe that you are just full of shit and can't admit that you're wrong.
5.Dehydrating? LOL! Sidious' clone wasn't dehydrating, n00b. His body(s) weren't capable of keeping such power for a long period of time. Even the Sith Spirits on Korriban stated that he gave himself to the Dark Side long ago, and that they also had a great respect for him. And if you read Crimson Empire, it also shows that his last clone body was sabotaged by Palpatine's personal doctor, who was paid off by rogue Imperial Guardsmen Carnor Jax. So he was fighting off Darkside energies AND trying to keep the poison at bay at the same time.
6.No, it's because he is weaker than Sidious. He doesn't have the capabilties let alone hatred and willpower to keep himself alive long enough to take control of someone else body(Like Sidious.), the only one who has done remotely close to what Palpatine has done is Exar Kun, and he could only trap his spirit and conciousness to a specific place.
7.No, he couldn't. Again, you are basing your 'facts' on unsupported assumptions, I proved to you why Sion wouldn't be capable enough to make a Force Storm without killing himself in the process. I even have two sources saying Sidious was the most powerful Sith ever. What you are trying to say, is that Sion is somewhat equal(Certainly NOT.) to Sidious, which is complete BS.
8. You said Sion could make more devasting Force Storms as Sidious, did you not? Isn't that making him better than Sidious? Yeah, this is a complete waste of my time. Even two of the best debators here, who Ive admitted to being below them, agree with me.
And learn how to spell, please, I can hardly read your post(s).
Originally posted by Adas
1. Reported. 'you stupid n00b' is uncalled for.2. That doesn't mean that we completely disregard game mechanics.
6. [b]ROFLMAO!!
That's a bit rich, don't you think? [/B]
1. You've said it plenty of times to me, hypocrite.
2. Yes, it does.
3.No, I'm telling the guy to learn how to spell.
And I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing. So STFU and mind your own business, n00b.
Originally posted by Adas
I admitted earlier in this thread that my theory was probably wrong Escape. You were online at the time. I still don't think that it's right. I just don't agree with Spartan's faulty reasoning, because it was very illogical and I do not like him.Dude, I have made it clear many times that I wasn't being serious about Lumiya. When I originally registered, I used to come up with these crazy beliefs so I could wind people up and get in more intense debates. How do you still not know this, have you not seen me post recently? I haven't come up with something so crazy since.
2. I don't believe you. You've lied about me and to me before, why should I or anyone believe you?
Originally posted by Spartan ll
1. Yeah, I did. You need to learn reading comprehention and how to spell. I never said anything about Kun being able to switch bodies, he could only hold his spirit and consiousness to a specific place.2.Not unless he gets the Force drained out of him from Nihilus or Palpatine(Yes, Palpatine DOES know every darkside technique known, he even made a few himself(Force Storm), from the DE Sourcebook itself.), if you look on the Official K2 site, in Sion's profile, it states that darkside was also keeping him together.
3.No, the power and willpower to make a Force Sotrm is immense, even Palpatine(The Best Sith in History) couldn't control them completely, how do you think Sion, who is EXTREMELY bellow Palptine, would fair?
4. Your 'facts' are nothing but your biased opinion and unsupported assumptions. Not once, have I seen you list a source for your info, which leads me to believe that you are just full of shit and can't admit that you're wrong.
5.Dehydrating? LOL! Sidious' clone wasn't dehydrating, n00b. His body(s) weren't capable of keeping such power for a long period of time. Even the Sith Spirits on Korriban stated that he gave himself to the Dark Side long ago, and that they also had a great respect for him. And if you read Crimson Empire, it also shows that his last clone body was sabotaged by Palpatine's personal doctor, who was paid off by rogue Imperial Guardsmen Carnor Jax. So he was fighting off Darkside energies AND trying to keep the poison at bay at the same time.
6.No, it's because he is weaker than Sidious. He doesn't have the capabilities let alone hatred and willpower to keep himself alive long enough to take control of someone else body(Like Sidious.), the only one who has done remotely close to what Palpatine has done is Exar Kun, and he could only trap his spirit and conciousness to a specific place.
7.No, he couldn't. Again, you are basing your 'facts' on unsupported assumptions, I proved to you why Sion wouldn't be capable enough to make a Force Storm without killing himself in the process. I even have two sources saying Sidious was the most powerful Sith ever. What you are trying to say, is that Sion is somewhat equal(Certainly NOT.) to Sidious, which is complete BS.
8. You said Sion could make more devasting Force Storms as Sidious, did you not? Isn't that making him better than Sidious? Yeah, this is a complete waste of my time. Even two of the best debators here, who Ive admitted to being below them, agree with me.
And learn how to spell, please, I can hardly read your post(s).
1. 😆 😆 So you tell him that he needs to learn to spell, yet you spell comprehension wrongly in the same sentence?
2. Hyperbole much?
3. Here is how you fail. You say how will Sion possibly be able to control the storms fully when Palpatine, the best sith lord in history couldn't. You fail, because by saying that you make it obvious that you don't believe Sion will be able to fully control them because he is not as strong in the force as Palpatine. Now you tell Vader that he has bad reading comprehension skills, yet you clearly lack good enough said skills to be able to interpret from the passage that force power isn't a factor in how devastating the force storms are and that being very strong in the force is a requirement.
6.
'He doesn't have the capabilities let alone hatred and willpower to keep himself alive long enough to take control of someone else body(Like Sidious.),'
Hatred and willpower are the main capabilities you dumbass. Also, prove that a strong will and hatred alone is required to do this. It's pretty obvious that force mastery was a factor.
7.
'I proved to you why Sion wouldn't be capable enough to make a Force Storm without killing himself in the process.'
And I refuted what you 'proved'.
(a) Willpower is not used up like force power.
(b) Sion doesn't have to actively exert his will in keeping his body together.
8.
(a) You miss the point and thus lose.
(b) You're below pretty much every good debater here. And the debaters agree with your opinion, I doubt they agree with your faulty reasoning.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
1. It isn't faulty reasoning, n00b. I get my proof from books I own(NEC,DE Sourcebook, etc..). YOU on the other hand, had the stupidity to claim that a scene deleted from K2 was canon, when it isn't even in the final game. The only one illogical here is you. And just because you don't like me, don't let it cloud your judgment. I don't like you but in a debate, I ALWAYS look into the books/sources I have and look at the outcome through them.2. I don't believe you. You've lied about me and to me before, why should I or anyone believe you?
Basing your evidence off of books that you own doesn't change the fact that your reasoning is faulty.
Originally posted by Adas
1. 😆 😆 So you tell him that he needs to learn to spell, yet you spell comprehension wrongly in the same sentence?2. Hyperbole much?
3. Here is how you fail. You say how will Sion possibly be able to control the storms fully when Palpatine, the best sith lord in history couldn't. You fail, because by saying that you make it obvious that you don't believe Sion will be able to fully control them because he is not as strong in the force as Palpatine. Now you tell Vader that he has bad reading comprehension skills, yet you clearly lack good enough said skills to be able to interpret from the passage that force power isn't a factor in how devastating the force storms are and that being very strong in the force is a requirement.
6.
'He doesn't have the capabilities let alone hatred and willpower to keep himself alive long enough to take control of someone else body(Like Sidious.),'Hatred and willpower are the main capabilities you dumbass. Also, prove that a strong will and hatred alone is required to do this. It's pretty obvious that force mastery was a factor.
7.
'I proved to you why Sion wouldn't be capable enough to make a Force Storm without killing himself in the process.'And I refuted what you 'proved'.
(a) Willpower is not used up like force power.
(b) Sion doesn't have to actively exert his will in keeping his body together.8.
(a) You miss the point and thus lose.
(b) You're below pretty much every good debater here. And the debaters agree with your opinion, I doubt they agree with your faulty reasoning.
2.No.
3. Okay then, show me where we've someone else, BESIDES Sidious, use/make a Force Storm to the extent that he did.
6.Okay then, show me where we've someone else, BESIDES Sidious, use/make a Force Storm to the extent that he did.
7.LOL! Sion's willpower isn't eternal. You think someone can survive on willpower alone? It may work for I'd say 15 or so minutes alone, but you're telling me the Darkside doesn't help when it CLEARLY says so on the official K2 site? So, now you're trying to pass off your opinion as fact, Nebaris? This is why I don't take you seriously.
8.
(A) No, YOU miss the point. You are saying that anyone with a connection to the force and anger can create Force Storms out of thin air. Then why didn't Vader or Maul create them? Are you going to say that since Baby Luke has a connection to the Force and that if he was angry, HE could create a Force Storm? Don't make me laugh, Nebaris.
(B) Escape listed all the points I had, but was more the point than I was, read his post.
Originally posted by AdasWhy? I look at the books for an outcome or to measure a specific characters power to the opponent they're fighting, if I see one of characters is weaker than the other and will most liekly lose, I point it out.Hell, even when I'm wrong, I admit it, any of the debators here can vouch for that.
Basing your evidence off of books that you own doesn't change the fact that your reasoning is faulty.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
1. Keyboard isn't working well today. Ive typed worse, though.2.No.
3. Okay then, show me where we've someone else, BESIDES Sidious, use/make a Force Storm to the extent that he did.
6.Okay then, show me where we've someone else, BESIDES Sidious, use/make a Force Storm to the extent that he did.
7.LOL! Sion's willpower isn't eternal. You think someone can survive on willpower alone? It may work for I'd say 15 or so minutes alone, but you're telling me the Darkside doesn't help when it CLEARLY says so on the official K2 site? So, now you're trying to pass off your opinion as fact, Nebaris? This is why I don't take you seriously.
8.
(A) No, YOU miss the point. You are saying that anyone with a connection to the force and anger can create Force Storms out of thin air. Then why didn't Vader or Maul create them? Are you going to say that since Baby Luke has a connection to the Force and that if he was angry, HE could create a Force Storm? Don't make me laugh, Nebaris.(B) Escape listed all the points I had, but was more the point than I was, read his post.
1. That's a spelling mistake, not a typo. That much is obvious. Too cool for the spellcheck button huh?
3, 6. That's not the point. Sidious had the knowledge. The whole point of this thread is what if sion possessed the same knowledge. This is how you fail, and lose.
7. Straw man...
Point out where I said that the darkside has nothing to do with Sion's ability.
8. (A)
(a) Vader and Maul didn't posses the knowledge.
(b) Not everyone possesses such a big willpower, not baby Luke or Maul or Vader.
(c) You're missing the point of this thread. It's a what if scenario.
(B) No. Escape listed completely different points.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
1. Yeah, I did. You need to learn reading comprehention and how to spell. I never said anything about Kun being able to switch bodies, he could only hold his spirit and consiousness to a specific place.2.Not unless he gets the Force drained out of him from Nihilus or Palpatine(Yes, Palpatine DOES know every darkside technique known, he even made a few himself(Force Storm), from the DE Sourcebook itself.), if you look on the Official K2 site, in Sion's profile, it states that darkside was also keeping him together.
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force drain yes and i already said sidious can beat him in a fight,
and did the DE book said sidious mastered his masters manipulation of the midichorians? hell no, he only knew about it but never learnt it
Originally posted by Adas
1. That's a spelling mistake, not a typo. That much is obvious. Too cool for the spellcheck button huh?3, 6. That's not the point. Sidious had the knowledge. The whole point of this thread is what if sion possessed the same knowledge. This is how you fail, and lose.
7. Straw man...
Point out where I said that the darkside has nothing to do with Sion's ability.8. (A)
(a) Vader and Maul didn't posses the knowledge.
(b) Not everyone possesses such a big willpower, not baby Luke or Maul or Vader.
(c) You're missing the point of this thread. It's a what if scenario.(B) No. Escape listed completely different points.
3. But you said before that all you needed was hate and anger to create a Force Storm, you didn't mention any knowledge being involved.
4.
(A) Then, before, why did you say that all you needed was hate and anger to create a Force Storm? You never mentioned any knowledge involved.
(B)Vader had a big enough willpower to survive getting his limbs cut off, then being burned alive and survivning a very gruesome surgery snd being CONCIOUS st the same time. I'd say he has more willpower than Sion, considering what happened to Vader was worse than what happened to Sion.
(C)Which is exactly why it is a pointless and crappy thread.