Originally posted by Skeets
There's no such thing as Pre and post -crisis Darkseid..... 🙂
This argument has always been brought up to defend Darkseid, on ever board.
Everybody could argue this point if they want but it contradicts everytime any new gods get beat up or stalemated by someone from the regular DC universe that was affected by Crisis.
Kalibak, Stephen Wolf, the Parademons, Orion, Big Barda, Lashina would all say, otherwise. Darkseid and his quarters would agree with them too.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
This argument has always been brought up to defend Darkseid, on ever board.Everybody could argue this point if they want but it contradicts everytime any new gods get beat up or stalemated by someone from the regular DC universe that was affected by Crisis.
Kalibak, Stephen Wolf, the Parademons, Orion, Big Barda, Lashina would all say, otherwise. Darkseid and his quarters would agree with them too.
Is it because of terrible writing?I think so just look at his defeats all were PIS.Supes out running the Omega beams,WW deflecting them etc.
Originally posted by Skeets
I agree he's not as impressive as he used to be.Is it because he's using weaker avatars then the ones from the pre-crisis days?maybe.Is it because of terrible writing?I think so just look at his defeats all were PIS.Supes out running the Omega beams,WW deflecting them etc.
But since when does all the new gods use avatars? The new gods weren't affected by Crisis. It isn't just Darkseid.
Originally posted by Skeets
I agree he's not as impressive as he used to be.Is it because he's using weaker avatars then the ones from the pre-crisis days?maybe.Is it because of terrible writing?I think so just look at his defeats all were PIS.Supes out running the Omega beams,WW deflecting them etc.
And having more problems with Byrne Superman than he ever had with pre crisis SupermEn.
Post Crisis Darkseid is flat out and until the new direction in the DCU, less powerful and stronger.
He still has the loses against Ryder, Superman and Orion wich werent avatars.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindAre you sure an avatar would be like the Odin vs. Thanos battle? I mean let's not forget it was an avatar that lost to Superman?
Odin vs Avatar = Odin doing the same as with his Thanos battle. Odin wins.Odin vs true Darkseid = "Scientifically acquired might cannot hope to...***" *Erased from existence*
it was the OE everyone here knows it was, who cares what color they where how do you know they where or where not the OE why would he use anything else beside the OE to take out someone like the Anti monitor everyone here agrees that he was still strong enough to take out everyone but that the OE had a part of really messing him up.
and darkseid and fate and someone else did link up and could destroy universes it was in great darkness saga thanks
and if she was not loki powerful she was a avatar of death or something loki aint that
and glads serviving a explosion that wiped out a solar system sorry sounds like PIS to me
dont matter thats lame of course he's been depowered DC and Marvel are always fighting to make there guys look better so they throw good writing out the window just to make there guys look better, who saves the universe in IC supes and superboy give me a break why those two? in secret wars didnt it take a HUGE team effor? same thing with the IG? and even thanos the end, such.
Originally posted by Crease
Odin and Darkseid would stalemate, with Darkseid maybe getting the slight majority. Mangog would not have wrecked Apokolips nearly as bad as he did Asgard before being put dow by it's head honcho.As far as Darkseid and Thanos:
I initially had Thanos taking a slight majority w/o prep and 8/10 w/prep. Anyone here that's not a noob can tell u that I LOVE The Mad Titan. But after reading thru the Darkseid respect thread...His non-prep feats just seem slightly more impressive than The Mad Titan's. So I gave him the slight majority over my guy.
From a different angle though, look at the beatings each character has taken. Doomsday almost killed Darkseid, and we know Supes has whipped on him. Thanos on the other hand took a beating from the Magus with a few gems, and a slight one from Odin. Both of those guys would beat the living shit outta DD and Supes So from that angle, you could argue Thanos takes this.
The spank order is faulty. Don't ever use this as evidence.
DD is immune to all energy projection in the universe. Read the story about the Radiant to find out more. That is why the entire justice league could not put a scratch on him even with their supreme energy projection combined. That is why the omega effect had no effect.
Second, the DD darkseid fought is the one after Superman beat him. He also became invincible to physical damage. Third, again after that battle, DD now evolves in battle (doesn't have to wait to come back from death). Lastly DD is fast as flash. There is plenty of proof for this. DD can only be effected by a virus that undoes his DNA (as in Imperiex) and by trapping tactics (via sending him through a portal somewhere)
Darkseid can erase both Thanos and Odin out of existence. Go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkseid and look at powers and abilites -the omega effect.
Originally posted by Mider
it was the OE everyone here knows it was, who cares what color they where how do you know they where or where not the OE why would he use anything else beside the OE to take out someone like the Anti monitor everyone here agrees that he was still strong enough to take out everyone but that the OE had a part of really messing him up.
PROVE IT. If you know for SURE, PROVE IT THEN.
He pushed a button and nowhere was it referenced that it was the Omega Effect. It came out blue. What part of the OE never being anything but Red don't you get?
It never came out of his eyes. They never stated it was the OE. If you have the actual scan proving me wrong, I'll retract my statement.
and darkseid and fate and someone else did link up and could destroy universes it was in great darkness saga thanks
Yes. Pre-Crisis feat once more. And from what you're saying, DS needed help.
and if she was not loki powerful she was a avatar of death or something loki aint that
What are you trying to say? Hela is an aspect of Death that Odin nearly destroyed.
and glads serviving a explosion that wiped out a solar system sorry sounds like PIS to me [/B]
😆 But DS + Fate destroying a universe isn't? 😕
Originally posted by h1a8
The spank order is faulty. Don't ever use this as evidence.
DD is immune to all energy projection in the universe. Read the story about the Radiant to find out more. That is why the entire justice league could not put a scratch on him even with their supreme energy projection combined. That is why the omega effect had no effect.
Second, the DD darkseid fought is the one after Superman beat him. He also became invincible to physical damage. Third, again after that battle, DD now evolves in battle (doesn't have to wait to come back from death). Lastly DD is fast as flash. There is plenty of proof for this. DD can only be effected by a virus that undoes his DNA (as in Imperiex) and by trapping tactics (via sending him through a portal somewhere)
Darkseid can erase both Thanos and Odin out of existence. Go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkseid and look at powers and abilites -the omega effect.
DD is immune to all energy projection, but in that same story he was hurt by Supermans hv?? Really??
It sounds like DD changes with the plot, ie the reason many see him as a big ugly plot device.