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Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So where are the feats? and or scans?

For who? Superman 1m? They've been posted before, and it's common knowledge that he can by now.

Where are the ones for RKT doing the same?

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Jesse7
Woot Superman! Superman seems very disliked on these forums and seems to be highly under rated because of so.

Yup, if Superman wins, it's bad pis, if he falters at all, then all of a sudden anyone can beat him. 😕

UniOmni Outrageously Dickish

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Why do a lot of easy fixes get overlooked in comics? They won't sell.
Feel free to look up Odins feat list. Imps are still above Odin squared. Then we have a Superman Imp on that, and above that is Superman Prime.
The entire future was mentally connected (headnet) and even with all the incredibly powerful beings, they acknowledged that SMP was their greatest champion. Kyles connection to it informed him that he's fought unimaginable battles...coming from the most creative GL...that's quite a statement.

But see Avy, you're making the predictable mistake. DC Editorial says that Superman is the most powerful hero ever.

But answer me this...Is he more powerful than Dr.Fate??

Orion??

Firestorm??

Zatanna??

Dr. Fate and Orion were the ones who joined up with Darkseid and iirc, Highfather to defeat the Anti-Life Entity.

Where was Superman with his heatvision??

DC Editorial says alot of things, but the ink shows another.

Superman merely outsmarts an imp that has a crush on him......

Dr.Fate defeats one and calls its magic thirdrate.

Can Dr.Fate beat Odin??

Every imp doesn't have the capacity to fart and destroy the third dimension.

DC Editorial will always try to say that Superman is the most powerful...They have to, he's the focal point of an entire company and mandates require it.

Doesn't make it true. Editorial lipservice is just that. Editorial lipservice.

And all your defense of Superman Prime has to stand on, is the narrators comparison in power. And 1Millions himself.

But Superman has stated many times that Jonn is more powerful than him, and has even gone so far as to say he's more powerful than the JLA combined.

Lipservice.

Until Prime blinks and destroys a universe, he isn't above any skyfather.

And neither is RKT.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
For who? Superman 1m? They've been posted before, and it's common knowledge that he can by now.
Where are the ones for RKT doing the same?

So defeating a whole pantheon of Celestial beings means nothing?

the Darkone Senior Member

Originally posted by UniOmni
But see Avy, you're making the predictable mistake. DC Editorial says that Superman is the most powerful hero ever.
But answer me this...Is he more powerful than Dr.Fate??
Orion??
Firestorm??
Zatanna??
Dr. Fate and Orion were the ones who joined up with Darkseid and iirc, Highfather to defeat the Anti-Life Entity.
Where was Superman with his heatvision??
DC Editorial says alot of things, but the ink shows another.
Superman merely outsmarts an imp that has a crush on him......
Dr.Fate defeats one and calls its magic thirdrate.
Can Dr.Fate beat Odin??
Every imp doesn't have the capacity to fart and destroy the third dimension.
DC Editorial will always try to say that Superman is the most powerful...They have to, he's the focal point of an entire company and mandates require it.
Doesn't make it true. Editorial lipservice is just that. Editorial lipservice.
And all your defense of Superman Prime has to stand on, is the narrators comparison in power. And 1Millions himself.
But Superman has stated many times that Jonn is more powerful than him, and has even gone so far as to say he's more powerful than the JLA combined.
Lipservice.
Until Prime blinks and destroys a universe, he isn't above any skyfather.
And neither is RKT.

rune King Thor is above a skyfather, hell he killed one with a gesture Mangog. RKT w/ full odin force and Full Rune Magic put him why above skyfathers.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by UniOmni
But see Avy, you're making the predictable mistake. DC Editorial says that Superman is the most powerful hero ever.
But answer me this...Is he more powerful than Dr.Fate??
Orion??
Firestorm??
Zatanna??
Dr. Fate and Orion were the ones who joined up with Darkseid and iirc, Highfather to defeat the Anti-Life Entity.
Where was Superman with his heatvision??
DC Editorial says alot of things, but the ink shows another.
Superman merely outsmarts an imp that has a crush on him......
Dr.Fate defeats one and calls its magic thirdrate.
Can Dr.Fate beat Odin??
Every imp doesn't have the capacity to fart and destroy the third dimension.
DC Editorial will always try to say that Superman is the most powerful...They have to, he's the focal point of an entire company and mandates require it.
Doesn't make it true. Editorial lipservice is just that. Editorial lipservice.
And all your defense of Superman Prime has to stand on, is the narrators comparison in power. And 1Millions himself.
But Superman has stated many times that Jonn is more powerful than him, and has even gone so far as to say he's more powerful than the JLA combined.
Lipservice.
Until Prime blinks and destroys a universe, he isn't above any skyfather.
And neither is RKT.

I understand where you are coming from but Supes 1M is shown to already be ridiculously powerful with some feats to prove it. SMP is according to the books and S1M himself far more powerful. I have the books and know what I've read, and it's pretty clear.

Fan service or not, it's canon, and neither you or I have any grounds to go against it. At the very least, even comparing to an IMP supes (which is part of the dynasty and he's stated to be more powerful than him) says a lot. No matter how hard you fight it, DC's word is above yours (or mine.)

Batman has also outsold Superman plenty of times, yet I don't see DC claiming Bats is their most powerful, nor do I see Batman closing dimensional rifts with his body parts. "DC" is DETECTIVE COMICS and while Superman is an Icon, he alone isn't carrying the company.

As for the Anti life entity, Superman simply wasn't slated to be in that story... seriously, if he WAS there and heat visioned it away. YOU would be the first to complain about it.

I agree both RKT and SMP need more feats, but at least with a Superman Dynasty and Superman 1M to compare him to, I can have an idea of where to place him on the cosmic scale.

the Darkone Senior Member

Originally posted by UniOmni
Odin being afraid of MAnnie, is kinda pis, since he could just disband him. Creators rights and all that.
And Odin could have, had he hung for more time and sacrificed more for the wisdom. He hadn't the wisdom, so he didn't know.

Mangog was a race of Gods that fused into one being, the same race that put fear in Odin, this race rivaled Asgard in every way. That's why Odin killed them not before they fuse their essence into one being, even stated by Odin that Mangog is equal to sky-fathers during jack kirby & lee days.

RKT is above a sky father, and he killed Celestial pantheons beings to end Ragnarok.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Soujaboy
So defeating a whole pantheon of Celestial beings means nothing?

If he defeated a whole Patheon of them, they sure weren't celestial level.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If he defeated a whole Patheon of them, they sure weren't celestial level.

The comic outright stated that they were Celestials beings, made into the god of the gods.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Soujaboy
The comic outright stated that they were Celestials beings, made into the god of the gods.

Lots of characters are "celestial beings" but not all are "Celestials."

If RKT defeated a patheon of them, then how powerful could they possibly be?

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Lots of characters are "celestial beings" but not all are "Celestials."
If RKT defeated a patheon of them, then how powerful could they possibly be?

That's kind of like saying if Lobo defeated all of Heaven and Hell, then how powerful could they possibly be?

UniOmni Outrageously Dickish

Avy, my only issue is that it isn't validated by anything he's done.

DC will always maintain that Superman is the most powerful hero, but iirc, when the anti life was faced, Superman was there.

He was just on the sidelines, since his power wasn't comparable to the power wielded by Orion and Dr. Fate.

Dr.F vs Superman will always be 7.5/10 in his favor. Yet i'm supposed to believe Superman is more powerful??

Thats why i don't buy into Superman Primes hype. Since it goes hand in hand with Editorial mandate. Superman must be the best. So of course they are gonna hype his future, Prime self to be the next in line to Yahweh.

And if you wanna go down that road, Superman has said more than once, that Jonn is the most powerful being on Earth. He even defeated a mind controlled league. And an alternate version of Superman.

So does that mean Jonn is the most powerful being on this end of the space/time continum?? Since Superman said he's more powerful, and he defeated the JLA and an alternate evil Superman??

I guess what it all comes down to is you believe the hype, and i wanna see the product tested before i attest to it.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by UniOmni
Avy, my only issue is that it isn't validated by anything he's done.
DC will always maintain that Superman is the most powerful hero, but iirc, when the anti life was faced, Superman was there.
He was just on the sidelines, since his power wasn't comparable to the power wielded by Orion and Dr. Fate.
Dr.F vs Superman will always be 7.5/10 in his favor. Yet i'm supposed to believe Superman is more powerful??
Thats why i don't buy into Superman Primes hype. Since it goes hand in hand with Editorial mandate. Superman must be the best. So of course they are gonna hype his future, Prime self to be the next in line to Yahweh.
And if you wanna go down that road, Superman has said more than once, that Jonn is the most powerful being on Earth. He even defeated a mind controlled league. And an alternate version of Superman.
So does that mean Jonn is the most powerful being on this end of the space/time continum?? Since Superman said he's more powerful, and he defeated the JLA and an alternate evil Superman??
I guess what it all comes down to is you believe the hype, and i wanna see the product tested before i attest to it.

In the case of MM, he's had more loses against the "S" shield than any
victories...and his win against Ultraman was simply because Ultraman was weakened...I have the issue. MM has also admitted that Superman is more powerful...hell, everyone on the league has admitted it at some point.

I have no problem with carefully gauging SMP power, but there is a difference when he powers a dynasty full of Superman and above beings.

Originally posted by Accel
That's kind of like saying if Lobo defeated all of Heaven and Hell, then how powerful could they possibly be?

Except, Lobo's never beaten heaven and hell. He has a deal with them.

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Except, Lobo's never beaten heaven and hell. He has a deal with them.

Because they couldn't handle him. Still, it's not any different than saying something like Dominus must not be very powerful if Superman beat him or something like that.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Accel
Because they couldn't handle him. Still, it's not any different than saying something like Dominus must not be very powerful if Superman beat him or something like that.

Still a huge difference from saying Lobo beat heaven and hell...

😆

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Still a huge difference from saying Lobo beat heaven and hell...
😆

I think you've contradicted yourself. Earlier uniomni had a problem with one of Supermans feats, so he questioned you about it. You stated that it's cannon proof and that it happened, and you said that neither him nor you could stand against the feat. Thor defeats these Celestial gods and it's cannon proof, so why are you trying to stand against the feat? What makes Supermans feats any more believable than Thor's?

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I think you've contradicted yourself. Earlier uniomni had a problem with one of Supermans feats, so he questioned you about it. You stated that it's cannon proof and that it happened, and you said that neither him nor you could stand against the feat. Thor defeats these Celestial gods and it's cannon proof, so why are you trying to stand against the feat? What makes Supermans feats any more believable than Thor's?

I have no doubt that RKT fought some powerful gods, but a celestial level group?

I'll need some canon proof of that. A single celestial is far more powerful than any skyfather. Was it said on panel anywhere that RKT is celestial level + himself anywhere?

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Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Still a huge difference from saying Lobo beat heaven and hell...
😆

Not to take it so literally, but it doesn't look good on their part if neither one couldn't handle him.

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I have no doubt that RKT fought some powerful gods, but a celestial level group?
I'll need some canon proof of that. A single celestial is far more powerful than any skyfather. Was it said on panel anywhere that RKT is celestial level + himself anywhere?