Alright. Well, you see, there's this thing I like to call "BEING A JEDI". You know, what Anakin was at that point. Anakin even said "I shouldn't" when he had Dooku at his mercy. To add to the factor, Anakin believed that Mace shouldn't strike Palpatine down saying "But it's not the Jedi way!".
Believes in the Jedi code?
AHAHAHAHA
I guess that is why he has given in to anger on NUMEROUS occasions. 😉 Anakin hardly believes in the Jedi code ( he killed Assaj Ventress while she was talking to Obi, and was damn proud of it) and he murdered the sand people. During the battle with Dooku, he was allowed any harmful or killing stroke. It would be convenient if Dooku lived, because it goes hand in hand with the Jedi code of not killing anyone. During that battle, Anakin was angry. He wanted to kill. Dooku wasn't allowed to.
Anakin's intent to kill surfaced during the battle . When he said I shouldn't it was a second thought, his attempt to hold on to the Jedi ideals. Anakin gave in to anger and , and when he was dueling Dooku, he did want to kill, and would not face any repercussions even if Dooku died. Dooku on the other hand, was forced not to, hence could not fight to his maximum capabilities.
So please, cut the crap about "Anakin believing in the Jedi ideals while he fought Dooku."
And then easily countered with - why would Dooku losing be a thought if he's firmly superior.
Dooku lost because although he is superior, he was told not to kill Anakin by Sidious. Here I will expand on it.
Dooku was initially at a disadvantage because he was not allowed to kill. By the time he could change his mind his hand was cut off. If he was allowed to kill Anakin from the get go, then the situation where he lost his hand would have never occurred, because his state of mind would not be limited to going easy with Anakin.
EDIT. Not really, if Dooku lowered his standards - then how can Palpatine assess how good Anakin is against his current padawan? I mean, if you go with this scenario that Dooku "lowered himself" then Anakin beat a lowered Dooku. Tell me, how does that speak for Anakin's ability?
It shows that at least he improved since AOTC, where he AND Obi Wan could not beat Dooku lowered or not. Sidious was impressed with Anakin because of future prospects, not his immediate worth. Which would you invest in, something that gave you $100 000 immediately or something that will give you a guaranteed $10 000 000 two years from now?
Oh please, extra energy? Dooku wasn't tiring, and it was hardly what I call "extra energy" considering what we saw in AOTC: First, a Force attack on Anakin, next dueling Kenobi, then dueling Anakin, finally followed up by dueling Yoda, and he was still able to fight long against Yoda without getting tired.
You neglect the fact that both of these Jedi knights were weaker and never saw Dooku fight before. Plus, by the time Dooku had to fight Yoda, he escaped because he was getting tired (and knew that he was no match for kermit the frog). These two also knew how Dooku fought, while Dooku could not witness how much the two Jedi improved. Therefore, it is safe to assume Anakin had the advantage when it comes down to energy.
And, where does he say he can't take off a body part? Why not cut off Anakin's already mechanical hand?
Arm you mean? The point is he would have to focus on these parts and make sure that it doesn't go anywhere further, like the shoulder or the chest region. Anakin had freedom. Freedom to strike whatever part was open. He didn't have to worry about where he should hit. Dooku had to, so that cramped his style.
DARTH SlDIOUS: His death was a necessary loss, which will ensure our victory. Soon I will have a new apprentice . . . one far younger and more powerful than Lord Tyranus.
Powerful could mean that the force was strong in him, not necessarily he was a better duelist. In a few years Anakin would have become a better duelist, but as of that moment, no.
2.) The Jedi Purge was a few days away so why would Palpatine let Dooku (who to *you* is the stronger) get killed?
Because, Anakin had far more potential than Dooku.
About the Jedi purge, most of the Jedi were not EVEN killed by Anakin. If you remember, the majority of Jedi were gunned down. I believe it was Cin Drallig who was killed by Anakin, defending some younglings, (from what I have heard). As you can see, removing the Jedi was not dependant on the apprentice at all. It was more a consequence of being ambushed by clone troopers. Palpatine's strategy never revolved around the apprentice, there other subtelties that killed the majority of the jedi.
Noticed how they were all gunned down . Palpatine was more interested in Anakin's future potential, not how many Jedi he could kill at the purge.
The New Essential Chronology says that Dooku fought for his life. And if that's not giving it your all, I don't know what is.
There have been times when Essential chronology was wrong. Kevin J. Anderson came to these forums explaining one such mistake where the author wrote that "Palpatine was the most powerful Sith lord" by ROTS. Quite wrong actually.
6.) The ROTS Novelization states that both Dooku and Anakin gave it their all
Author's interpretation, the quote you brought states that Dooku was not allowed to kill Anakin. Not what I call "giving it your all".
Some quotes from the RotS Novelization, for reference.
"These clowns might-Just possibly-actually be able to beat him. No sense in taking chances; even his Master would agree with that."
"The Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merley to meen these attacks with out being cut in half, and Skywalker- Skywalker was getting stronger."
"Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless...Even his knowledge of the force had become a joke"
"This boy had the gift of fury. And even now, he was holding himself back; even now as he landed at Dooku's flank and rained blows upon the Sith Lord's defenses, even as he drove Dooku backward step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will: walls that were hardened by some uncontrollable dread."
"In his clarity, there is only one thing he must do...
Decide.
So he does.
He decides to win"
You're pretty dumb, zephiel. Sorry to say, but really - arguing with facts is never a good thing. I'm just going to address my "7 Point Plan":
Powerful could mean that the force was strong in him, not necessarily he was a better duelist. In a few years Anakin would have become a better duelist, but as of that moment, no.
Quit arguing against clear statements. I guess Ragnos isn't the most powerful of the Ancient Sith then? No. It's clear, Sidious was referring to Anakin at that specific time, not ten years down the road. Anakin > Dooku according to Darth Sidious.
You are truly the epitome of stupidity.
Because, Anakin had far more potential than Dooku.
And WTF does that have to do with the Purge? It wasn't twelve years away, it was a few days - I guess Anakin will develop into Super Saiyan Anakin in four days? Get real.
About the Jedi purge, most of the Jedi were not EVEN killed by Anakin.
Actually Anakin killed quite a few Jedi.
If you remember, the majority of Jedi were gunned down. I believe it was Cin Drallig who was killed by Anakin, defending some younglings, (from what I have heard).
And still you're missing the point - why the hell does Sidious want a weaker apprentice when he's about to battle the damn Jedi?
As you can see, removing the Jedi was not dependant on the apprentice at all. It was more a consequence of being ambushed by clone troopers. Palpatine's strategy never revolved around the apprentice, there other subtelties that killed the majority of the jedi.
I guess Anakin leading Order 66 in the Jedi Temple wasn't apart of his plan. It was just some brainstorming done five minutes prior.
Noticed how they were all gunned down .
There's more than the twelve damn Jedi we see on screen, you know.
Palpatine was more interested in Anakin's future potential, not how many Jedi he could kill at the purge.
No doubt about that, however, he's already stated Anakin > Dooku as of ROTS - so your argument has failed.
There have been times when Essential chronology was wrong. Kevin J. Anderson came to these forums explaining one such mistake where the author wrote that "Palpatine was the most powerful Sith lord" by ROTS. Quite wrong actually.
Sadly it's in writing currently so I can continue to use it. Oh, and for the simple fact that I have at least three points that support the NEC is why it can be considered right, and why your *argument* can be considered - well, actually is wrong.
Author's interpretation, the quote you brought states that Dooku was not allowed to kill Anakin. Not what I call "giving it your all".
Sadly, it is. Why? Because Sidious told him to, that's why.
I also noticed you didn't address George Lucas' words, and the question of why would Anakin get "the best of" Dooku at all? Why would Palpatine have to jump in at all? Why would any of that be a thought at all, if Dooku is superior to Anakin?
Also notice it doesn't say "if anything goes wrong, Palpatine will save the day", but if Anakin beats Dooku - like he did.
Oh, and in LOE [apparently] Dooku is told to fight with the best of his ability.
Now adding up everything I've stated (Sidious' words, NEC, ROTS Novelization, LOE, Lucas, etc.) it's evident that Anakin > Dooku.
I really just love how you ignore Sidious' own words and try to argue bullsh*t, but when someone else is said to be more powerful than so and so - it's automatic who the winner will be! For everybody except Anakin that is.
Yep, I have every single novel there is on my pc.
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/321358/8229208/
So, was that a yes or no?
You're pretty dumb, zephiel. Sorry to say, but really - arguing with facts is never a good thing. I'm just going to address my "7 Point Plan":
Calling people dumb is not a way to react when someone disagrees with you. Relying on insults does not further the debate in any way.
Quit arguing against clear statements. I guess Ragnos isn't the most powerful of the Ancient Sith then? No. It's clear, Sidious was referring to Anakin at that specific time, not ten years down the road. Anakin > Dooku according to Darth Sidious.
Not really. From what we have seen of Dooku, defeating Anakin and Obi Wan and holding them off in ROTS (considering his disadvantage of not being allowed to kill them), powerful could mean potential, not combat ability.
You are truly the epitome of stupidity.
With all due sincerity, calling people stupid just makes you look like an immature brat. I would recommend stopping.
And WTF does that have to do with the Purge? It wasn't twelve years away, it was a few days - I guess Anakin will develop into Super Saiyan Anakin in four days? Get real.
Again I say, most of the Jedi were killed by clone troopers. The apprentice was not absolutely necessary towards achieving victory.
Actually Anakin killed quite a few Jedi.
Younglings, and Cin Drallig, and maybe a few more knights. So what? I am not saying that Anakin could not do that job, just that Dooku could have done the same thing quite easily.
And still you're missing the point - why the hell does Sidious want a weaker apprentice when he's about to battle the damn Jedi?
Palpatine was more interested in Anakin's future potential, not how many Jedi he could kill at the purge. Anakin was easily the superiour of many Jedi in the council, (enough to do the job)but not quite up to Dooku.
I guess Anakin leading Order 66 in the Jedi Temple wasn't apart of his plan. It was just some brainstorming done five minutes prior.
How many Jedi masters are you sure of that he killed in the temple aside from Cin Drallig. Most of the renowned and stronger ones during PT were gunned down. For example, Plo Koon, and Ki Adi Mundi. The other three famous Jedi masters were killed by Sidious and Mace Windu was thrown out a window. How was victory determined by the apprentice? I agree Skywalker was far superiour to many of the knights of the time, this is true. Sidious was sure that he was capable at the time. More capable than Dooku? No. But enough to do the job. Again I say that Sidious valued Anakin more on his future prospects.
There's more than the twelve damn Jedi we see on screen, you know.
Irrelevant. How many Jedi masters? Other than Cin Drallig, most of them were gunned down. Anakin could get the job done. As well as Dooku? No, but considering his potential, Sidious thought him perfect.
No doubt about that, however, he's already stated Anakin > Dooku as of ROTS - so your argument has failed.
Right...
I suppose ROTS Sidious is the most "powerful Sith lord" according to your New Essential Chronology? Powerful may mean potential in this case. Sorry.
Sadly it's in writing currently so I can continue to use it. Oh, and for the simple fact that I have at least three points that support the NEC is why it can be considered right, and why your *argument* can be considered - well, actually is wrong.
The Essential chronology has shown to reflect the opinions of the write occassionally. Anderson stated that there was a certain degree of subjectivity towards it, so don't take it too seriously.
Sadly, it is. Why? Because Sidious told him to, that's why.
Sidious told Dooku not to kill Anakin. Not what I call giving it your all.
I also noticed you didn't address George Lucas' words, and the question of why would Anakin get "the best of" Dooku at all? Why would Palpatine have to jump in at all? Why would any of that be a thought at all, if Dooku is superior to Anakin?Also notice it doesn't say "if anything goes wrong, Palpatine will save the day", but if Anakin beats Dooku - like he did.
Dooku lost because although he is superior, he was told not to kill Anakin by Sidious. Here I will expand on it.
Dooku was initially at a disadvantage because he was not allowed to kill. By the time he could change his mind his hand was cut off. If he was allowed to kill Anakin from the get go, then the situation where he lost his hand would have never occurred, because his state of mind would not be limited to going easy with Anakin.
Oh, and in LOE [apparently] Dooku is told to fight with the best of his ability.
What do you mean by [apparently]? And if Dooku was told to fight to the best of his ability, then Sidious would not have said "don't kill skywalker."