The Antithesis of Ragnos Owns All

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
1. OT Vader would get curbstomped by DE Sidious.
2. Having a holocron doesn't necessarily make you more powerful, and it's unclear how much more powerful ANY of these characters got with the holocron.

One thing: I know this is hardly foolproof evidence, but don't you think it's likely that the authors of LOTF will actually make it so that Lumiya will actually be able to contend with most of the NJO, such as Kyp, just to make the books more interesting. Wouldn't that alone put her above Sidious.

Speculation

Oh I know, I hardly consider it concret evidence, it's just a feeling I have. My real reason was Adas' holocron.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
1. I never stated that. I said OT Vader would own DE Sidious. get yur facts straight.

That's why I said PT Sidious. Re-read! 😆

For elaboration:

PT Vader couldn't beat OT Sidious. Which means, as DS said, he'd get annihilated by DE Sidious.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
One thing: I know this is hardly foolproof evidence, but don't you think it's likely that the authors of LOTF will actually make it so that Lumiya will actually be able to contend with most of the NJO, such as Kyp, just to make the books more interesting. Wouldn't that alone put her above Sidious.

Mara Jade defeated Lumiya... Lumiya herself confesses that because of her cyborg constitution, she'd never achieve true strength in the Force. Palpatine did have all of his body-parts. Furthermore, Lumiya nearly had a heart-attack using the Force to keep a marble bust from smashing into her against a two-bit Jedi by the name of Nelani.

And you want to put her above Palpatine? You're an idiot.

I think I just spat out my smoothie.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I think I just spat out my smoothie.

Don't waste smoothies !!!!!

Look how powerful a little sith magic made Aleema for instance.

Aleema was hardly powerful. Sure she could conjure up a few illusions, but that was the extent of her "power".

Man; Escape81 and Lightsnake know what they are talking about. They have backed up their word and shown proof to everything they have said in their arguments. Sorry Darth Sexy but you are just in denial now.

ESB what the hell are you talking about?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Aleema was hardly powerful. Sure she could conjure up a few illusions, but that was the extent of her "power".

Mass illusions, which could kill.

Listen to what you're saying, the illusions don't kill.

Bottom line:

Your "feelings" and "opinions", Nebaris, amount to nothing. You are pathetic for even assuming that they do. Lumiya could generate these real illusions, too, yes. She generated several powerful Force phantoms for several people to battle.

But she herself stated to Jacen that she and Vader had many similarities. One of which being that they were "more machine" than anything, and that - due to her cyborg implements - she could never fully activate the Force as well as a being with a complete anatomy.

Such as Palpatine.

In fact, I recall her losing her Force push battle to Nelani, who is nothing special in terms of dueling ability. She also lost to Mara Jade before, as well as Luke.

No incarnation of Mara Jade could ever hope to defeat Palpatine, her master. Neither could Nelani. Neither could Vader. And neither could Lumiya.

'You are pathetic for even assuming that they do.'

These were my exact words:

'Oh I know, I hardly consider it concret evidence, it's just a feeling I have.'

You know Escape, I never noticed it before but you are a complete Sidious fanboy. You try to hide it with your 'modesty' and 'unbias', but to me, it's now totally obvious. From this point onwards, you are officially on my ignore list. Ha.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
'You are pathetic for even assuming that they do.'

These were my exact words:

'Oh I know, I hardly consider it concret evidence, it's just a feeling I have.'

You know Escape, I never noticed it before but you are a complete Sidious fanboy. You try to hide it with your 'modesty' and 'unbias', but to me, it's now totally obvious. From this point onwards, you are officially on my ignore list. Ha.

You may continue to think that, and I will try to hide my sorrow at being ignored by you and move on.

Oh, and wouldn't that make you a Revan fanboy? 😉

Did someone say something? 😛

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Did someone say something? 😛

I thought so.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
'You are pathetic for even assuming that they do.'

These were my exact words:

'Oh I know, I hardly consider it concret evidence, it's just a feeling I have.'

You know Escape, I never noticed it before but you are a complete Sidious fanboy. You try to hide it with your 'modesty' and 'unbias', but to me, it's now totally obvious. From this point onwards, you are officially on my ignore list. Ha.

How is he showing fanboyism? He has done nothing but state facts. You are the one who is acting like a fanboy; throwing away the facts so your little "hero" doesn't lose.

oh the arguing, the horror, the horror.