Wolverine vs. Captain America

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riceroost Senior Member

Re: Wolverine vs. Captain America

Originally posted by Grimm22
The fight in Wolverine: Origins made no sense...Cap was fighting like an idiot, I mean why would he choose a sword over his sheild and why would Wolverine be his hostage 🤨

How exactly was Cap fighting like an idiot? If anything Wolverine was fighting like an idiot. He turned his back on Cap after he floored him. pretty stupid on Wolverine's part. Cap did everything he could do.

Cap would choose a sword over NOTHING if he had to. Wolverine deflected Cap's shield far away, thus the shield was not available. The sword was like 10 feet away from them. Cap's leg is effed up so obviously he goes for the closer weapon.

Wolverine would allow himself to be a hostage for many reasons.
1) He knows that sword can kill anyone so he's not in a hurry to get stabbed by it.
2) Gives him a chance to attack Cap when he's in the cover of the jungle.
3) Gives him a chance to try and talk Cap over to his side and have a formidable ally.
4) Pretending to be a hostage gives him time to heal from the wounds he got fighting Nuke and Cap back 2 back.
5) Wolverine points out later that he does not want to kill Steve, but if Steve has the sword Wolverine would have to kill him, so he will attempt to avoid killing him if he can.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Even then I would think that the SS serum would prevent things like that 😐
I dont see what the SS Serum will do about a massive blood clot. It's not like it gives him a Wolverine level healing ability.
Originally posted by Grimm22
I've been buying Wolverine books ever since I really got into comics around when Enemy of the State first started
You started with Enemy of the State? No wonder you think he's such a weak fighter.
Originally posted by Grimm22
I dont hate Wolverine, I just dont like current Wolverine's status quo
Current Wolverine's status quo is being a pale immitation of Classic Wolverine.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Classic Wolverine is awesome though 😎
Classic Wolverine was more formidable than today's Wolverine, so why would you (who hate Wolverine winning fights) prefer him?
Originally posted by Grimm22
Ugh why is Nuke even in the series... why is Cap a lap dog for the government?!?!
If you read the issues you would know why Nuke is in this book. Nuke is here because he is linked to Wolverine through the Weapon X project. Wolverine helped recruit and train Nuke, thus they are further linked. Understand?
Cap is the governments lap dog because the President gave him a direct order. Considering how many people Wolverine killed the last time he went rogue Cap would obviously want to help, especially if the President told him to.
Originally posted by Wolverine2006
idk I just didnt like how Cap bested Wolverine in the comic
Well then be happy because Wolverine outfought Cap initially and then completely railed his ass in the end. Cap was helpless and Wolverine would have ended him had Hellion not intervened.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Its pretty much a heart attack 😐

Heart Attack = Blood Corruption

The Heart Attack would be caused by the physical damage that resulted in a blood clot. Wolverine didn't poison Cap he damaged a main artery. SS serum doesn't stop physical damage, only chemical damage, therefor the SS Serum is worthless here.
Originally posted by Wolverine2006
kinda when he took him as a hostage
So what? Wolverine only went with Cap to avoid getting stabbed by the blade and even when he did get stabbed he still got up and beat the hell out of Cap.
Originally posted by joesha28
The Muramasa blade is something that could kill Logan that he can't heal.
Apparantly Wolverine can survive getting cut by the sword. It could be due to the fact that the adamantium skeleton stopped penetration, but either way Wolverine got right back up. Maybe the sword just used it's power to unleash Wolverine's berserker rage.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
It's very plausible that Cap can at least knock out Wolvie for the win. Even a two second KO still counts as a win.
Even though a KO would be nearly impossible for Cap to achieve, yet extremely easy for Wolverine to do. Chances for a KO are overwealmingly in Wolverine's favor.

So if a 2 second KO counts as a win then Wolverine technically beat Grey Hulk according to you? Since Grey Hulk was out for several panels.

Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine was not real hostage lol. wolverine was trying to talk to capt. I don't think wolverine was worried about fighting capt at all and if it came down to it wolverine would of faced capt .
I agree. Idont think Wolverine was actually worried about the sword a whole lot. Wolverine says, "You dont know what that thing can do." Maybe he was trying to warn Cap that if Cap used it on Wolverine the evil part of Wolverine that the blade posesses would force Wolverine into a berserker rage and cause him to kill Cap, which is basically what happened. Wolverine seemed to go with Cap only in hope that he wouldn't be forced to kill Cap.

jinzin Senior Member

while the swords remains amiguous.. the book states that this sword s the same blade as the one that was in wolverine 1-3.. the one that possessed both wolverine and spider woman.. I think if anything wolverine was simply concerned about invoking the spirit of the demon inside... and I'm almost positive that's exactly what happened when he got cut by it hence the red eyes.. but this is all theory.

Soljer Beware my Power

Unfortunately, this fight would go to Wolverine. If it were a more 'fair' fight, though, Cap would come out the winner. Like in the other Captain America vs. Wolverine thread, that had Wolverine fighting without the crutch of a healing factor.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
while the swords remains amiguous.. the book states that this sword s the same blade as the one that was in wolverine 1-3.. the one that possessed both wolverine and spider woman.. I think if anything wolverine was simply concerned about invoking the spirit of the demon inside... and I'm almost positive that's exactly what happened when he got cut by it hence the red eyes.. but this is all theory.

I think the red eyes was a beserker rage comming on. wich make senses since at the back of the comic it says in the next issue beserker wolverine vs the x-men and capt

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by Soljer
Unfortunately, this fight would go to Wolverine. If it were a more 'fair' fight, though, Cap would come out the winner. Like in the other Captain America vs. Wolverine thread, that had Wolverine fighting without the crutch of a healing factor.
Wolverine winning is only "unfortunate" if you like Cap better.

Without the "crutch" of the healing factor Wolverine is still at the very least a match for Cap physically, and that's being kind to Cap.

Wolverine still only really needs to hit Cap once with his main weapons to win.

And Wolverine still has an experience and technical skill/training advantage.

And if you want to see Wolverine without the healing factor the fight in Origins was a perfect example as Daniel Way's Wolverine heals at a VERY SLOW rate, making the healing factor a non-issue until after the fight is over. And Wolverine still whooped on Cap.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by jinzin
while the swords remains amiguous.. the book states that this sword s the same blade as the one that was in wolverine 1-3.. the one that possessed both wolverine and spider woman.. I think if anything wolverine was simply concerned about invoking the spirit of the demon inside... and I'm almost positive that's exactly what happened when he got cut by it hence the red eyes.. but this is all theory.

The Black Blade and the Muramasa Blade are two seperate swords both forged by the Immortal Demon Swordsmith Muramasa. The swords are very similar but the main difference between them is that the Black Blade contained part of Muramasa's soul where the Muramasa Blade was forged using the evil of Wolverine's. This is at least what I gathered from the story so it my be incorrect but I'm possitive they are two seperate swords. Plus I think the Black Knight aquired the Black Blade at some point, he never used it since only Harda is worthy but I'm almost possitive he had it in a torphy room filled with assorted weapons.

joesha28 Asgard's Advocate

I enjoyed the fight...it's was a bloody one indeed.