Originally posted by newjak86
Younf into a grey area Mungi this guy from the looks of things hasn't really done much it terms of top tier guys. Plus Cain'sower is derived from magic so once again there is no certain way to see if his power will work on Cain
It was stated on more than one occasion he was just as lethal Death's touch as Death herself. His soul isn't, his durability and strength is that's completly different.
Originally posted by King_MungiNo his being literally everything about him is Magical. He is a magical being now.
It was stated on more than one occasion he was just as lethal Death's touch as Death herself. His soul isn't, his durability and strength is that's completly different.
He defies many odds of death even being stripped of all his flesh and bones the person doing it thought Juggs would die for sure. I mean there is no way to know for certain that it will kill him or not when the person who powers him Eternity couldn't get rid off.
Originally posted by newjak86
No his being literally everything about him is Magical. He is a magical being now.He defies many odds of death even being stripped of all his flesh and bones the person doing it thought Juggs would die for sure. I mean there is no way to know for certain that it will kill him or not when the person who powers him Eternity couldn't get rid off.
Now? unless I missed something when has this happened where even his very soul is magical now.
Once again did those actually remove his soul? that's completly different, as Wolverine has done similar feats as well
Originally posted by King_MungiWell he is a magical being now as he is literally sustained from magical energies.
Now? unless I missed something when has this happened where even his very soul is magical now.Once again did those actually remove his soul? that's completly different, as Wolverine has done similar feats as well
Secondly who is the strongest person Deadly has actually killed. Because people can say alot of things doesn't make it true.
Secondly Juggernaut is being powered by a person who Eternity couldn't get rid off.
Like I said there is no clear cut answer to this one Mungi until they meet because both have different makers and ideas behind them.
Juggs was literally made to be unkillable basically
Originally posted by newjak86
Well he is a magical being now as he is literally sustained from magical energies.Secondly who is the strongest person Deadly has actually killed. Because people can say alot of things doesn't make it true.
Secondly Juggernaut is being powered by a person who Eternity couldn't get rid off.Like I said there is no clear cut answer to this one Mungi until they meet because both have different makers and ideas behind them.
Juggs was literally made to be unkillable basically
Not his soul, Nemesis is powered by magically reasons and the only reason Deadly Ernest touch didn't work on Nemesis is she is already dead. Talisman is magically based, but she still has a human soul
All of Alpha Flight, being powered by someone and being the person that powers an avatar is completly different. You can't claim Juggernaut is anyway equal to Cyrotak.
That's the point of this debate, if it was clear cut why would I make this thread ?
but he isn't.
Originally posted by King_MungiHe is powered by Cyttorak though is the point and Cyttorak's power which is fueling Cain's is no pushover.
Not his soul, Nemesis is powered by magically reasons and the only reason Deadly Ernest touch didn't work on Nemesis is she is already dead. Talisman is magically based, but she still has a human soulAll of Alpha Flight, being powered by someone and being the person that powers an avatar is completly different. You can't claim Juggernaut is anyway equal to Cyrotak.
That's the point of this debate, if it was clear cut why would I make this thread ?
but he isn't.
Originally posted by newjak86
He is powered by Cyttorak though is the point and Cyttorak's power which is fueling Cain's is no pushover.
The other point I brought up is who is the strongest person Deadly has actually killed.
No one really knows what would happen if these two actually did touch.
Sasquatch is powered by Tanaraq, but he isn't Tanaraq and can still be killed. His human soul was then sent to the realm of the beasts as the two souls are completly seperate.
All of Alpha Flight.
That's the point of the debate
Originally posted by King_MungiAlpha Flight none of them had the kind of power Juggs had in terms of strength.
Sasquatch is powered by Tanaraq, but he isn't Tanaraq and can still be killed. His human soul was then sent to the realm of the beasts as the two souls are completly seperate.All of Alpha Flight.
That's the point of the debate
Cain on the other hand is directly connected to Cyttorak there is a link between them where Cyttorak feeds Cain his powers.
Cain very well could walk up to Deadly grab him by the arm and tear it off being protected by Cyttorak's power if you want to know the truth. Is it for certain no but more likely then Deadly killing Cain as Cain is supposed to be an unkillable unstoppable person 😉
Originally posted by newjak86
Alpha Flight none of them had the kind of power Juggs had in terms of strength.
Secondly Tanaraq takes over Sasquatch and thats when he gets Tanaraqs power until then he isn't normally connected to the Great Beast as far as I know.Cain on the other hand is directly connected to Cyttorak there is a link between them where Cyttorak feeds Cain his powers.
Cain very well could walk up to Deadly grab him by the arm and tear it off being protected by Cyttorak's power if you want to know the truth. Is it for certain no but more likely then Deadly killing Cain as Cain is supposed to be an unkillable unstoppable person 😉
So? you do realise even magical beings can be killed no? Death's touch even works on them.
Incorrect, Sasquatch is Tanaraq as he gives him the power to take his form but not his true power. Even the Exiles Sasquatch explained he uses them as an avatar and when the time is right he takes over the body as the contracts stipulates.
As does Sasquatch and Tanaraq, as he is using his body but doesn't tap into it's full true power. It's the exact same sense as Juggernaut.
Or by touching Ernest is soul is removed and killed
Originally posted by King_MungiSo sasquatch is constantly being fed power from the Great Beast Tanaraq at all ties because that is what is happening with Cain.
So? you do realise even magical beings can be killed no? Death's touch even works on them.Incorrect, Sasquatch is Tanaraq as he gives him the power to take his form but not his true power. Even the Exiles Sasquatch explained he uses them as an avatar and when the time is right he takes over the body as the contracts stipulates.
As does Sasquatch and Tanaraq, as he is using his body but doesn't tap into it's full true power. It's the exact same sense as Juggernaut.
Or by touching Ernest is soul is removed and killed
Plus Cyttorak is a little bit higher on the food chain then some great beasts as Eternity wasn't even able to get to rid of him.
Yes magical beings can be killed but simple sayings without backing it up isn't enough to say he can kill anybody he touches. All those people are lower than Jugg's in power. While his power may not be more versatile it is still more then them. Just because it can be described as such doesn't make it so until you show me a scan of him taking down someone like say Thor or DR. Strange in power and protection then I will say he has a chance.
Originally posted by newjak86
So sasquatch is constantly being fed power from the Great Beast Tanaraq at all ties because that is what is happening with Cain.Plus Cyttorak is a little bit higher on the food chain then some great beasts as Eternity wasn't even able to get to rid of him.
Yes magical beings can be killed but simple sayings without backing it up isn't enough to say he can kill anybody he touches. All those people are lower than Jugg's in power. While his power may not be more versatile it is still more then them. Just because it can be described as such doesn't make it so until you show me a scan of him taking down someone like say Thor or DR. Strange in power and protection then I will say he has a chance.
Yep, but he doesn't get his full true power same as Jugz
We don't know what level they are on, but as said you can't kill them merely send them away. Tanaraq easily beat Zarathos and Kulan Gath in the same day.
Well considering he beat Death, and by doing so was given Death's equal ability with death touch as stated multiple times. He's never faced them, but such things as stated and shown cannot simply be ignored in that manner. Juggernaut is not Cyttorak, and Juggernaut can be killed so having Death's touch that puts him at a disadvantage as Cain's soul is still availbile for attacks just like his mind as he isn't Cyttorak. Jugz doesn't have an immortal soul
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Originally posted by King_MungiHe beat death that is funny how does someone beat Death if Death wants them. Listen truth is we don't know exactly what power level he is on. He killed Alpha Flight all of whom are not exaclty on the same level as Jugegrnaut. Juggs has also survived being Thrown into Oblivion by Eternity and survived yes they are durabilit feats but that is all we can go by. As of now Cain is far more durable then them.
Yep, but he doesn't get his full true power same as JugzWe don't know what level they are on, but as said you can't kill them merely send them away. Tanaraq easily beat Zarathos and Kulan Gath in the same day.
Well considering he beat Death, and by doing so was given Death's equal ability with death touch as stated multiple times. He's never faced them, but such things as stated and shown cannot simply be ignored in that manner. Juggernaut is not Cyttorak, and Juggernaut can be killed so having Death's touch that puts him at a disadvantage as Cain's soul is still availbile for attacks just like his mind as he isn't Cyttorak. Jugz doesn't have an immortal soul
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We don't really know what range of power he operates on. I mean are you telling me that he could say touch Odin and King thor and they would die. Same thing here Juggs is on the next level from he is proven to do so we can't assume he can't.
I would more lean to him since his power is magic based and he is directly linked to Cyttorak he could be prtoected from such attacks.
Originally posted by newjak86
He beat death that is funny how does someone beat Death if Death wants them. Listen truth is we don't know exactly what power level he is on. He killed Alpha Flight all of whom are not exaclty on the same level as Jugegrnaut. Juggs has also survived being Thrown into Oblivion by Eternity and survived yes they are durabilit feats but that is all we can go by. As of now Cain is far more durable then them.We don't really know what range of power he operates on. I mean are you telling me that he could say touch Odin and King thor and they would die. Same thing here Juggs is on the next level from he is proven to do so we can't assume he can't.
I would more lean to him since his power is magic based and he is directly linked to Cyttorak he could be prtoected from such attacks.
He did it, and she then gave him her powers as well, so he would send souls to her if he couldn't have his.
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No, but it was all explained as he is the only mortal to ever beat death and gain Death's abilities. Once again durability feat, not his soul. It's just like Jugz can be attacked through the mind it's a totally different aspect. It's not a question of durability if Ernest literally can take your soul with a touch
If it's true he is equal with Death's touch, then yes he probally could but actually touching them would be the problem.
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Once again, magic doesn't stop death and Cyttorak and Cain's souls are seperate. Why would he have an immortal soul?
Originally posted by King_MungiSo whay your saying is that he can kill Skyfahters with a touch because some people claim he is like Death's touch now when he has only been able to kill a few Aplha Flighters. 😕
He did it, and she then gave him her powers as well, so he would send souls to her if he couldn't have his.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AlphaFlight31-22.jpgNo, but it was all explained as he is the only mortal to ever beat death and gain Death's abilities. Once again durability feat, not his soul. It's just like Jugz can be attacked through the mind it's a totally different aspect. It's not a question of durability if Ernest literally can take your soul with a touch
If it's true he is equal with Death's touch, then yes he probally could but actually touching them would be the problem.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AlphaFlight31-11.jpgOnce again, magic doesn't stop death and Cyttorak and Cain's souls are seperate. Why would he have an immortal soul?
I know he seems really bad but you just can't assume alot of people make claims that seem alright like the power of a million exploding suns doesn't mean he does until proven. saying stuff doesn't make it true.
Magic may not prevent death but it sure can protect against a good many attacks that can kill. The problem here is we don't know exactly just how strong Deadly's power is compared to otehr top tiers ability to resist it.
Plus this has been fun but in the end no matter what Juggs wins just to let you know
Originally posted by newjak86
So whay your saying is that he can kill Skyfahters with a touch because some people claim he is like Death's touch now when he has only been able to kill a few Aplha Flighters. 😕I know he seems really bad but you just can't assume alot of people make claims that seem alright like the power of a million exploding suns doesn't mean he does until proven. saying stuff doesn't make it true.
Magic may not prevent death but it sure can protect against a good many attacks that can kill. The problem here is we don't know exactly just how strong Deadly's power is compared to otehr top tiers ability to resist it.
Plus this has been fun but in the end no matter what Juggs wins just to let you know
No, because he himself became the agent of Death and gained equal to Death's touch. Even Lionel Jeffries couldn't reanimate anyone from Ernest's touch.
Except who ever he touched died and he sent their souls directily to Death, as a punishment or gift as he vanquished Death himself. Honestly how many can claim they have vanquished death themselves? few and far between.
Sure, but most of those attacks relate to his durability not his soul. It's just like Jugz is one of the most durable people in the Marvel universe, but still can be downed by a telepathy attack. His soul is completly seperate as he doesn't have an immortal soul.
I disagree, but to each his own.
Originally posted by King_MungiStill though its just saying stuff we don't know just how strong his power really is. I mean we just can't assume his touch is deadly for everyone without an immortal soul.
No, because he himself became the agent of Death and gained equal to Death's touch. Even Lionel Jeffries couldn't reanimate anyone from Ernest's touch.Except who ever he touched died and he sent their souls directily to Death, as a punishment or gift as he vanquished Death himself. Honestly how many can claim they have vanquished death themselves? few and far between.
Sure, but most of those attacks relate to his durability not his soul. It's just like Jugz is one of the most durable people in the Marvel universe, but still can be downed by a telepathy attack. His soul is completly seperate as he doesn't have an immortal soul.
I disagree, but to each his own.
Anyways the reason wh yCain wins this match no matter what he doesn't even have to touch Deadly. He just puts up his forcefield so he can't be touched then Punches him into orbit
Originally posted by newjak86
Still though its just saying stuff we don't know just how strong his power really is. I mean we just can't assume his touch is deadly for everyone without an immortal soul.Anyways the reason wh yCain wins this match no matter what he doesn't even have to touch Deadly. He just puts up his forcefield so he can't be touched then Punches him into orbit
Well it was said he has just as lethal touch as Death and anyone can die and he literally became the agent of Death after she couldn't steal his soul.
Well he stole Roger Bochs soul even when he was phased into a robot, so technically he doesn't directly have to touch you.
Originally posted by King_MungiYeah an agent just like Cian is an agent of Cyttorak you can't really say he possesses the power of Death until he has proven he can kill someone high on the food chain.
Well it was said he has just as lethal touch as Death and anyone can die and he literally became the agent of Death after she couldn't steal his soul.Well he stole Roger Bochs soul even when he was phased into a robot, so technically he doesn't directly have to touch you.
Doesn't when he fazes with the Box he actually becomes the robot or something like that. Cain shield is literally around him not touching him at all. 😕
I don't see him hurting Cain with the shield up at all.
Originally posted by newjak86
Yeah an agent just like Cian is an agent of Cyttorak you can't really say he possesses the power of Death until he has proven he can kill someone high on the food chain.Doesn't when he fazes with the Box he actually becomes the robot or something like that. Cain shield is literally around him not touching him at all. 😕
I don't see him hurting Cain with the shield up at all.
Except it was stated on more than one occasion he had equal death touch to Death herself, Jugz can;t say that.
Yes, there are no organs or anything just a robot so he didn't directly touch Bochs ie human physical contact.
He doesn't need to hurt him just steal his soul
Originally posted by King_MungiStated by non cosmic characters who don't know anything about Death the being. Until then it here say because he hasn't proven anything on par with that statement being the point and someone already survived his touch even if she was already dead it still happened and if his touch was on par with Death herself none of that would have mattered.
Except it was stated on more than one occasion he had equal death touch to Death herself, Jugz can;t say that.Yes, there are no organs or anything just a robot so he didn't directly touch Bochs ie human physical contact.
He doesn't need to hurt him just steal his soul
Seondyl his soul becomes part of the Box suit so touching it literally means touching him.
He isn't directly touching cain with the shield up so Juggs throws him into orbit
