Deadly Ernest vs. Juggernaut

Originally posted by newjak86
Stated by non cosmic characters who don't know anything about Death the being. Until then it here say because he hasn't proven anything on par with that statement being the point and someone already survived his touch even if she was already dead it still happened and if his touch was on par with Death herself none of that would have mattered.

Seondyl his soul becomes part of the Box suit so touching it literally means touching him.

He isn't directly touching cain with the shield up so Juggs throws him into orbit

Except, his bio and himself stated the alteration and literally anyone who he touched died. He became an immortal being as stated, and they also showed his head cut off and still lived so his claims are far from false. Ummm....how does that prove it doesn't work if his death touch failed against someone who is already dead? why would it work? she is the living spirit of retribution, you can't kill what's already dead. She was risen by death to take out Deadly Ernest with the Scell.

He pulled the life out of the circuits, that's completly different

I don't think that matters. If he can easily catch Northstar and Aurora, Jugz is not going to easily grab him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Except, his bio and himself stated the alteration and literally anyone who he touched died. He became an immortal being as stated, and they also showed his head cut off and still lived so his claims are far from false. Ummm....how does that prove it doesn't work if his death touch failed against someone who is already dead? why would it work? she is the living spirit of retribution, you can't kill what's already dead. She was risen by death to take out Deadly Ernest with the Scell.

He pulled the life out of the circuits, that's completly different

I don't think that matters. If he can easily catch Northstar and Aurora, Jugz is not going to easily grab him.

Until actual feats can back up a claim it is just a claim. For instance Thor likens himself to a god but in he isn't. Hulk says he is the strongest there is but I can name a few people stronger than him. Just because someone says they can kill anything they touch doesn't make it so 😕

He pulled the life out of someone who had become one with the Box Suit literally becoming a part of it.

So he can now run really fast or he is simply very quick because Puck seemed to be dodging him just fine.

Secondly to previous statement Magic can protect you from a lot and generally is used to bend rules of things that shouldn't happen.

Looks Dr. Strange Stalemated the IG because of magic when the IG was used to destroy Eternity before. Magic trumps alot and goes really far especially when your being powered by a high level Magic entity like Cyttorak. You can't simply say that Dreadly's touch when
A) we have no idea what real power level it operates on
B) Cain is powered by magic by a high level magic ebing that even Eternity couldn't get rid off.
I mean it is a loose idea that Deadly will put Cain down and not one that can be supported based on the evidence you can give. Even still with his sheild Deadly doesn't touch him anyways.

Originally posted by newjak86
Bios make out everyone their about to be really bad. Heck Cain is said to be absolutly unstoppable and indestructable in his bio but I know instances where that isn't true 🙄

Until actual feats can back up a claim it is just a claim. For instance Thor likens himself to a god but in he isn't. Hulk says he is the strongest there is but I can name a few people stronger than him. Just because someone says they can kill anything they touch doesn't make it so 😕

He pulled the life out of someone who had become one with the Box Suit literally becoming a part of it.

So he can now run really fast or he is simply very quick because Puck seemed to be dodging him just fine.

Secondly to previous statement Magic can protect you from a lot and generally is used to bend rules of things that shouldn't happen.

Looks Dr. Strange Stalemated the IG because of magic when the IG was used to destroy Eternity before. Magic trumps alot and goes really far especially when your being powered by a high level Magic entity like Cyttorak. You can't simply say that Dreadly's touch when
A) we have no idea what real power level it operates on
B) Cain is powered by magic by a high level magic ebing that even Eternity couldn't get rid off.
I mean it is a loose idea that Deadly will put Cain down and not one that can be supported based on the evidence you can give. Even still with his sheild Deadly doesn't touch him anyways.

Yes, but remember rules of the board state they go by their best showings, not jobber instances. He beat Death, which even cosmic beings have never done. He was said to be immortal and was shown to have both his arms and head cut off and still lived and said his death touch was deadlier as ever.

Ummm...Thor is a god, and Hulk does have the potential to be the strongest.

Actually no, basically all there is just his councious as said you "you can't kill a robot" and then Deadly Ernest sucks the life out of the circuits.

Well considering he also dodged Nemesis, and Puck is older than him and it's his experience and age that allows him to learn these battle strageties. As stated once again. He caught the twins in mid-flight while his back was turned to them.

Once again does that prove Dr.Strange can't die? far from it. Your basing magical attacks as a means they can't die which is incorrect. Sasquatch is basically the exact same thing as Jugz and yet he can still die as he doesn't have the immortal soul and neither does Cain.

A) No, but from what he was shown to do and stated he is uber
B) Once again he isn't him, he is far from him and his soul is not his. Tanaraq is a uber skyfather, who a person who Dr.Strange said he couldn't beat is absolutely terrified of the Great Beasts.

Yes, but magic doesn't protect you from death. Stop claiming it can, as Cain doesn't have an immortal soul.

Except, you havn't read Alpha Flight and I already corrected you on several points. It's far from a loose claim.

Can we please stop pretending Juggernaut and Eternity seriously fought to a stalemate? If Eternity wanted Juggernaut dead he'd be dead.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes, but remember rules of the board state they go by their best showings, not jobber instances. He beat Death, which even cosmic beings have never done. He was said to be immortal and was shown to have both his arms and head cut off and still lived and said his death touch was deadlier as ever.

Ummm...Thor is a god, and Hulk does have the potential to be the strongest.

Actually no, basically all there is just his councious as said you "you can't kill a robot" and then Deadly Ernest sucks the life out of the circuits.

Well considering he also dodged Nemesis, and Puck is older than him and it's his experience and age that allows him to learn these battle strageties. As stated once again. He caught the twins in mid-flight while his back was turned to them.

Once again does that prove Dr.Strange can't die? far from it. Your basing magical attacks as a means they can't die which is incorrect. Sasquatch is basically the exact same thing as Jugz and yet he can still die as he doesn't have the immortal soul and neither does Cain.

A) No, but from what he was shown to do and stated he is uber
B) Once again he isn't him, he is far from him and his soul is not his. Tanaraq is a uber skyfather, who a person who Dr.Strange said he couldn't beat is absolutely terrified of the Great Beasts.

Yes, but magic doesn't protect you from death. Stop claiming it can, as Cain doesn't have an immortal soul.

Except, you havn't read Alpha Flight and I already corrected you on several points. It's far from a loose claim.

Juggs has survived many things that would kille Aplha Flighters no problem maybe it a durability thing but thats we really have to go on right now as you haven't provided anything showing Deadly to be this massive threat you claim.

Point is Magic protects people from a lot of things and someitmes even death. Dr. Strange took on IG which is greater than any Skyfather ever could hope to be with Magic abd Death heself wasn't able to do anything to people with the IG magic generallt trumps all when it is coming from high level magical entities which Cain has a connection to one its that simple Mungi.

So until you give a scan of Deadly actually showing this grand power on level suffiecent to end Juggs life then I'll agree but you haven't done any of that.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Can we please stop pretending Juggernaut and Eternity seriously fought to a stalemate? If Eternity wanted Juggernaut dead he'd be dead.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Can we please stop pretending Juggernaut and Eternity seriously fought to a stalemate? If Eternity wanted Juggernaut dead he'd be dead.

Originally posted by newjak86
So your saying he is a cosmic level being now 😆
Listen all this is being a little foolish don't you think I mean your claiming something from a character when nothing ha been shown. Once again claims don't get you anywhere at all and on panel feats backed up by claims that make them true. As of right now all you have have proven is him and a few other characters saying it then killing a few Alpah Flighters all of whom are on a much lower power rating then Juggs isn't going to cut it.

Juggs has survived many things that would kille Aplha Flighters no problem maybe it a durability thing but thats we really have to go on right now as you haven't provided anything showing Deadly to be this massive threat you claim.

Point is Magic protects people from a lot of things and someitmes even death. Dr. Strange took on IG which is greater than any Skyfather ever could hope to be with Magic abd Death heself wasn't able to do anything to people with the IG magic generallt trumps all when it is coming from high level magical entities which Cain has a connection to one its that simple Mungi.

So until you give a scan of Deadly actually showing this grand power on level suffiecent to end Juggs life then I'll agree but you haven't done any of that.

Don't you dare tell Swanky not to put words into your mouth, when your doing it to me. I never said he was a cosmic being, but I stated a fact he vanquished death and thus became immortal. This is an impressive feat, but does this put him on a cosmic level? no. Except it has been shown and stated, have you read the issues? It was stated he was immortal and it was shown he was cut into dozens of peices and for months he still lived on the morgue table, and later had his head cut off and still lived. They said he had equal to death's touch more than once, and who ever he touched they died instanally. All of the claims have been proven.

What? you do realise Alpha Flight has gone against several skyfathers before. Once again it pays to have actually read the series

Once again bull, Snowbird, Belasco, Kulan Gath, Sasquatch, etx. are magically creatues but they died. Magic does not protect you from death, don't even claim that as that is completly wrong. Dr.Strange used artificats and items that Jugz has no means of actually getting, so don't even compare the two. Even in GLA they mentioned cosmic beings will all die one day.

Except you havn't proved that it wouldn't work, you keep mentioning his master but Jugs is not him not even close. He isn't a cosmic level being, far from it.

I still think this thread is silly though. There's not really a way to prove if Ernest's powers would work on Juggernaut or not. If they do, would it kill Juggernaut or would he continue as a magical zombie? Who knows.

he would just become a zombie or undead. stalemate.

juggs= history
ernest wins