Ok heres my last post
Originally posted by Accel
All he had to do was swing his arms and try to hit Spidey. For him, it shouldn't have been any different than a normal person trying to swat a fly.
Originally posted by Accel
That's fine, but as I said, Thor can't hold said shields without going on the offensive and Ronan can attack [B]through those shields.[/B]
Originally posted by Accel
That wouldn't be hard to believe if they're all mystical in origin.
Originally posted by Accel
Aim with what? Super-hearing?
Originally posted by Accel
There are literally [B]millions of different kinds of energies out in the universe, so how will Thor even know which energies to target or track?[/B]
Originally posted by Accel
The last pic doesn't show him holding up a shield without the hammer. In fact, he even says in that scan that [B]his hammer will put up a powerful shield. It's not spinning the hammer in order to create a shield that will be his downfall, but rather the fact that he can't utilize any other powers while he keeps a shield up.[/B]
Originally posted by Accel
hat's nice, but you haven't shown him using other powers while holding up shields.
Originally posted by Accel
Won't happen because the stinkin' stasis field will keep him out.
2. The polarity has been reversed by Thors hammer , ergo when once it reflected blows it now draws them .
Originally posted by Accel
You won't be reversing any thing if you don't put down that shield of yours.
Originally posted by Accel
What, you mean negating Cyborg's power, meaning he won't be able to move his consciousness around? Yeah, that's really not going to help.
Originally posted by Accel
You'd think the guy who lifted the Midgard Serpent wouldn't have had much trouble with half of the same plane, but he did. The fact is, right after they saved the plane and Gladiator's guard was down, Thor cheapshotted him and took it from there.
Originally posted by Accel
He can tag Thor, who obviously was using hyperbole when he said he was "swift as lightning itself."
Originally posted by Accel
I'm only [B]manipulating his aging process and his personal time frame[/B]
Originally posted by Accel
Like Ronan has said on more than occasion, "Ronan does not employ a weapon, he IS a weapon." Ronan can easily utilize several of his powers without the universal weapon, such as EMP beams. There's also the fact that he can easily dispose of his weapon and recreate another one.
Originally posted by Accel
None of this matters, however, as Cyborg will never get past the stasis field.
Originally posted by Accel
There are different kinds of energies out there. If an energy comes in the form of a beam of light (like, say, heat vision), then Thor will need to absorb it by actually having it [B]hit his hammer.[/B]
Originally posted by Accel
Nope, he's already taken care of Cyborg in a few of many ways.
Originally posted by Accel
No, because Thor is already either:
A. Holding up shields
B. Trying to absorb all energy frequencies
Originally posted by Accel
No one ever said it was a full-power Galactus and we all know how weak Galactus becomes when he's hungry. The FF have beaten him numerous times, Sentry stalemated him, and Thor nearly killed him. IT's really not hard to believe that yet another individual would beat him.
So let’s go over what’s going to happen once more just to make it clear
The team enters , Thor has his shield up .
Cyborg splits his consciousness (he can do this quite easily and without it affecting his mental capabilities) they then inhabit Ronans suit , his weapon , Cyborgs body , the walls (and if possible ) The Q-bands.
Thor starts draining Hyperion’s solar energy out of his body , at the same time Cyborg’s consciousness has formed several energy draining devices (The eradicator is part of Kryptonian technology and can manipulate energy on a similar level to SS) these both deplete Hyperions cells of ALL solar energy rendering him powerless . From Aw’s ‘plan’ Hyperion will be barrelling towards Thor , effectively killing himself considering he’s powerless and ramming himself into a shield (And/or a Uber Asgardian for the small faction who believe Thor can’t do two things at once with his hammer) essentially killing him through blunt force trauma (His head / neck smashing like a melon on the Quantum armour or Shield, or Thor caving his head in with a single blow)
Ronan has had his armour and weapon overtaken by two fractions of Cyborgs conscious . They have then turned a small portion of the suit into a nano virus , effectively making Ronan their puppet . The stasis field is useless because ether Thor has reversed it’s polarity, Cyborg has re-calibrated himself to easily sift through the shield or it just doesn’t affect a non physical entity.
The puppet Ronan then get’s himself as close as possible to Quasar who is busy Holding off the combined might of Thor and Ray (Not to mention Cyborg Supes and the various energy manipulation devices firing upon quasar…. Oh and let’s not forget the remaining portions of Cyborg’s consciousness pulling crap like this :
Ronan then charges himself with as much Cosmic energy as his body can handle before blowing up while standing next to Quasar.If Quasar somehow survives (Which I SERIOUSLY doubt) then he gets gang raped by our Team.
We win 😄
Okay!!! It's 11:40pm where I'm at so I have 20 mins to post this and fill in one more post because of time restraints.
Actually, it doesn't really matter because I've already said everything I think is worth saying so I'll just take some time now to thank everyone for voting on this battle and participating as you can. It has been a great and very challenging battle. I'm sorry we didn't meet you two in the finals.
Adam Warlock and Accel are two of the greatest debators in KMC. I wish them well. Whether or not they win they are still sensational.
If you did win then you better win the tournament otherwise I'll be ticked.hyper_rant7900f44c82a964c25f448263bcfaa7a6
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I'll will throw my vote down tomorrow noonish...
I must say... great matchup guys you did really well...
I'm a bit concerned that there was a rather large portion of this fight based on what characters MIGHT be able to do... the lack of hardcore feats and evidence for the ray is a bit unsettling, and the whole hyperion hyperbole thing has me a bit "iffy" on were his true power level really is... I mean why should we consider his reality an exact duplicate as 616? we already now that the marvel muliverse is filled with realities where characters are weaker or stronger than their cannonical counterparts on a world to world basis, there's no reason to assume that even if hyperion IS telling the truth that they were on the 616 level....
right now I'm VERY 50/50 on this fight.. both teams made some great arguments and equally great counters, but both have pittfalls in their strategies as well as their use of characters. (hint-adam warlock and accel, you were both VERY lucky due to the fact that cyborg wasn't used to his fullest potential in an environement PERFECT for him to do just that.)
well anywho, I need some time to think about this, and as I said.. tommorrow high noon.. I'll post my final judgment.
Firstly, good job guys. Warlock and Accel, GF and Psyquis, both did good jobs and posted good detail. So good that it was difficult choosing.
Ok, after reading this time and time again, it is still so close. Hyperion and his reflexes, with Quasar's energy projection. On the other hand you have Thor and his ability to absorb energy. With Cyborg's all around versatility, it was a good match.
However in the early beginning, after the dispute with shields was settled it became a match of who could absorb the most energy while remaining shielded and make the other team useless. Reading the proof here I concluded that Thor can INDEED absorb from multiple energy sources just fine, and the ones that Hyperion and Quasar aren't anything that he hadn't done before, that it would be his similar playing field.
A problem the debate and regards to Hyperion was alot of his, "blah blah blah" feats, which aren't solid enough to give a judgement one way or the other and seemed to just be a "I hope this sounds good" kind of feat. I also found Thor's bolt's in the beginning to be a good insurance before the energy manipulating ever took place. Quasar seems to need energy the most to be a large threat, while Thor and Cyborg are built tanks who can also handle energy well. If Hyperion is distracted, or, if Quasar is down, that leaves two tanks across the battlefield that can fight/manipulate with little fear of being taken down, which makes the battle one-sided in their favor.
For those main reasons, I conclude and lay my judgement upon GF and Psyquis, team Thor/Cyborg for the win.
Night guys.
Originally posted by jinzin
the whole hyperion hyperbole thing has me a bit "iffy" on were his true power level really is... I mean why should we consider his reality an exact duplicate as 616? we already now that the marvel muliverse is filled with realities where characters are weaker or stronger than their cannonical counterparts on a world to world basis, there's no reason to assume that even if hyperion IS telling the truth that they were on the 616 level....
Actually there is basis for comparison:
Holocaust has knocked around Thor (and others) before, and was only defeated by the combined force of the Avengers (Avengers #402) - Hyperion cracked him open and ate him inside 1 minute
Also, the Hyperion that matched Gladiator's strength and speed in battle (until his neck was snapped), and who has also beat down Thor, was one of the two 'good' Hyperions that King Hyperion was smacking around the place in Exiles #65
The fact that he's sporting Quantum armour says, to me, that he's going to be tough enough to beat Thor or Cyborg Supes one on one
I honestly don't believe that Ray can beat Quasar in any energy related feats
Cyborg manipulating the environment would be an annoyance, however I'm sure in the drafting threads that Cyborg Superman was limited to a single body.... but if he can take over Ronan's armour he would get a win there
This was always a close match, but I have to vote for AW/Accel
It may have been less close if AW/Accel had mentioned that Cyborg Superman actually exists as an energy being inhabiting various forms of armour and was, thus, extremely vulnerable to Quasar
One last thing, this scan is not at all viable:
It states that it is Loki controlling (or disguised as) Thor... therefore it's unclear whether the powers being used are Loki's or Thor's.... but seeing as Loki cannot use Mjolnir's powers it seems that the shields are all Loki's
Originally posted by Scoobless
Actually there is basis for comparison:Holocaust has knocked around Thor (and others) before, and was only defeated by the combined force of the Avengers (Avengers #402) - Hyperion cracked him open and ate him inside 1 minute
Also, the Hyperion that matched Gladiator's strength and speed in battle (until his neck was snapped), and who has also beat down Thor, was one of the two 'good' Hyperions that King Hyperion was smacking around the place in Exiles #65
The fact that he's sporting Quantum armour says, to me, that he's going to be tough enough to beat Thor or Cyborg Supes one on one
I honestly don't believe that Ray can beat Quasar in any energy related feats
Cyborg manipulating the environment would be an annoyance, however I'm sure in the drafting threads that Cyborg Superman was limited to a single body.... but if he can take over Ronan's armour he would get a win there
This was always a close match, but I have to vote for AW/Accel
It may have been less close if AW/Accel had mentioned that Cyborg Superman actually exists as an energy being inhabiting various forms of armour and was, thus, extremely vulnerable to Quasar
One last thing, this scan is not at all viable:
It states that it is Loki controlling (or disguised as) Thor... therefore it's unclear whether the powers being used are Loki's or Thor's.... but seeing as Loki cannot use Mjolnir's powers it seems that the shields are all Loki's
He wasn't limited to his body , he was limited to not body jumping to die , unfortunately (for my opponenet) he doesn't need to as he can split his consciousness..
Also if he was loki why does he refer to himself as Thor , more then likely it's mind control.
alright well this is honestly where I'm at right now... To me it seems that the most major player on accel's and warlocks team is quasar. While the other two are indeed tanks it appeared as though quasar would be the one doing the most damage to gf and psys' team.
The only major problem with this however was in GF's opening strategy... he started out the match by raining hundreds and hundreds of lightning bolts into the room. After Quasar was shown to have an affinity to weakness against magic, and then the scans of him have major problems with living laser's speed, it doesn't seem likely that Quasar would be dodging much of any of those magically induced lightning bolts that were coming at him... After that all of the power absorbing banter is null and void... Hell, even his sheilding and weapons that he provided to Hyperion would be downright useless...
That said, ray would be able to move about freely about and cyborg supes would be making constructs putting his conciousness into them, turning this quickly into a 2 on 3, 4, 5, or 6 depending on how many constructs. While hyperion MIGHT be able to beat thor in a 1on1 things seem grim for him now, and even moreso for ronin.. The problem with his strategy of attack is that EMP's would only put cyborg into a state of flux and even then only for a moment it wouldn't render him useless... Hell the guy's recovered from darksied's omega beams.
That said, I would be more inclined to believe that Hyperion could handle the overwhelming odds as well if it were not for the fact that a large part of the argument in his favor was based on what could easily be percieved as hyperbole. While were on Hyperion... okay he sniffed up Holocaust... isn't gray fox right though? I mean hasn't sabretooth beat up holocaust? 😕
ALL THAT SAID, great work guys I really enjoyed the matchup, the strategy, and the bickering (gotta love that bickering), but when it comes down to it, I'm simply more inclined to believe that GF and Psy's opening strategy while simple, is still very effective here. It truly is just the luck of the draw in this particular instance. Had accel and warlock been able to provide Quasar with something other than his own armor they probably would have taken this match IMO. It's a bit ironic that psy was arguing for an inexperienced character due to the fact that his lack of experience for tourney matchups was showing here by a fair amount (no offense psy) and warlock showed his experience to be superb. Accel, I've never seen you debate before, but I'm very impressed with what you were throwing down here I tip my hat to you, and grey fox, you may be offensive and vulgar but you get the job done, good work.
As it stands from my P.O.V. this matchup goes to gray fox and psy.
Originally posted by jinzin
alright well this is honestly where I'm at right now... To me it seems that the most major player on accel's and warlocks team is quasar. While the other two are indeed tanks it appeared as though quasar would be the one doing the most damage to gf and psys' team.The only major problem with this however was in GF's opening strategy... he started out the match by raining hundreds and hundreds of lightning bolts into the room. After Quasar was shown to have an affinity to weakness against magic, and then the scans of him have major problems with living laser's speed, it doesn't seem likely that Quasar would be dodging much of any of those magically induced lightning bolts that were coming at him... After that all of the power absorbing banter is null and void... Hell, even his sheilding and weapons that he provided to Hyperion would be downright useless...
That said, ray would be able to move about freely about and cyborg supes would be making constructs putting his conciousness into them, turning this quickly into a 2 on 3, 4, 5, or 6 depending on how many constructs. While hyperion MIGHT be able to beat thor in a 1on1 things seem grim for him now, and even moreso for ronin.. The problem with his strategy of attack is that EMP's would only put cyborg into a state of flux and even then only for a moment it wouldn't render him useless... Hell the guy's recovered from darksied's omega beams.
GF's strategy of having Thor rain down multiple lightning bolts at once is good and all. But can Thor really do all this at the same time?
Originally posted by grey foxOk as soon we enter the field Thor does 3 things simultaneously.
1. Starts a high powered energy siphon , on ALL frequencies. Any kind of energy is sucked directly into the mallet and then dumped into Náströnd
2. Lowers the temperature so much it's near impossible to breath.
3. Set's off a HUGE melee of lightening bolt's in every conceivable place except for in his groups small area.
C'mon, Hyperion will be after him right after the get go. Even Thor's not fast enough or smart enough to do 4 things at once.
1. He has to do an energy siphon...
2. He has to lower the temperature...
3. Then he set's off a huge melee of lightning bolts? 😕
4. All this while Hyperion is coming after him with true break neck speed? Can Thor do all these things at once?
If it harldy matters, then why only concentrate on the lightning part? Can Thor really do all this at once within the first milliseconds of the match? Has Thor ever done similar acts like this all the while trying to avoid someone who can attain speeds near the velocity of light? But can Thor do all these things at once?
Originally posted by grey fox
Thor's done all this within milliseconds .
I reckon Hyperion would actually be fast enough to get to him before even does one of these things.
