Well Mace will win but it wont be close. Windu is on par with our beloved Count - who just happened to get defeated by Skywalker. But then we have to take into account Kenobi was helping to tire Dooku out. So either Mace or Dooku could beat Anakin one on one but only just. With any outside help Anakin comes out victorious.
Then there is the fact that Mace practices Vaapad - the 2nd best duelling form. He is able to get his anger and use it against Anakin, much the same way anakin lets into his emotions and becomes enraged. So they basically cancel each other out. They are both very fit young men, so again they stalemate in that area. But Mace has more control than Anakin - this will give him the advantage needed to win. His force mastery and saber control far exceeds Anakins. Anakin is far more likely to make a mistake than Mace is, due to the fact he doesnt think clearly when angry. Mace's Vaapad will capitalise on this and probably ensure victory.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Well Mace will win but it wont be close.
Actually, it'll be a tough match for Windu. I don't know how you can even say that.
Windu is on par with our beloved Count - who just happened to get defeated by Skywalker.
*sigh* Here it comes...
But then we have to take into account Kenobi was helping to tire Dooku out.
Oh My Goddess! Since when has Dooku ever gotten "tired out" or "fatigued" especially when Kenobi wasn't even a factor.
Really though, how can you say that considering:
1.) In AOTC he surprisngly had enough energy to take on and tool Obi-Wan, then toy with and slice Anakin, and still had enough energy to compete with Yoda for a solid two minutes. But yeah, I guess in ROTS he got so tired.
2.) He uses Makashi, and as I remember, Makashi was designed to use less energy.
3.) "He pushed this aside, drawing once more upon the certain knowledge of his personal invincibility to open a channel to the Force. Power flowed into him, and the weight of his years dropped away."
Anyways, point was Dooku doesn't seem to "tire out" easily, especially for like a three minute fight.
So either Mace or Dooku could beat Anakin one on one but only just. With any outside help Anakin comes out victorious.
False. Escape and myself have both provided a multitude of facts on the subject of Anakin > Dooku. Anakin beat Dooku fairly, I simply don't understand trying to argue with the facts
The rest I somewhat agree with; the outcome really is the only thing.
I don't know if this is actually from the Revenge of the Sith novelization or not (got it from an internet form of the book), but anyways:
"This is Anakin Skywalker:
The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace.
He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it. "
And in RODV, wasn't he stated to be the best duelist in the Order when thinking clearly, too?
Either way, I don't try to argue it because you can bet about seven or eight people will say "1t's a n0v31 l0l n0t 0ffici4l".
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Actually, it'll be a tough match for Windu. I don't know how you can even say that.
Hahaha. Sorry, that was a typo on my part. I was meant to say that it would be a close fight. My apologies.
Oh My Goddess! Since when has Dooku ever gotten "tired out" or "fatigued" especially when Kenobi wasn't even a factor.Really though, how can you say that considering:
1.) In AOTC he surprisngly had enough energy to take on and tool Obi-Wan, then toy with and slice Anakin, and still had enough energy to compete with Yoda for a solid two minutes. But yeah, I guess in ROTS he got so tired.
2.) He uses Makashi, and as I remember, Makashi was designed to use less energy.
3.) "He pushed this aside, drawing once more upon the certain knowledge of his personal invincibility to open a channel to the Force. Power flowed into him, and the weight of his years dropped away."Anyways, point was Dooku doesn't seem to "tire out" easily, especially for like a three minute fight.
Wow. Nobody has put it quite that bluntly before. Tough comment to argue with but ill give it a go.
1. In AOTC Obi-Wan and Anakin really sucked. They were nowhere near the skill level of the Count. Plus he had to fight them one on one. But if I remeber once he eliminates them both you see him take a deep breath, as if to say that that used a bit more enegy than he expected. i could be wrong though, ill have to check. But he definetly looked tired when he was getting into his ship after his fight with Yoda.
2. True. but in ROTS he had to split his energy betwqeen two opponents, giving the duo a significant advantage. The duo on the other hand would logically then only have to use half there max energy each, thus not tiring out as fast. Plus Dooku was nearly 80 years old whereas Anakin and Obi-Wan were both young and fit.
3. Hahahaha. well i cant argue with the novel so you have got me there. but I must say that is a very good description of the Count. I like it...
False. Escape and myself have both provided a multitude of facts on the subject of Anakin > Dooku. Anakin beat Dooku fairly, I simply don't understand trying to argue with the facts
What im saying is that Dooku is on par with Mace - who could beat young Skywalker. Im not saying that Dooku won in ROTS, but im saying that if it was one on one the Count would beat Anakin. This way he wouldnt be limited to not killing Anakin and not have to worry about Obi-Wan etc.
The rest I somewhat agree with; the outcome really is the only thing.
im glad we finally agree. 😛
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Hahaha. Sorry, that was a typo on my part. I was meant to say that it would be a close fight. My apologies.
Not a problem, we all make mistakes...well, except me of course seeing as I am the Supreme Lady of KMC. 😛 (Just kidding of course)
Wow. Nobody has put it quite that bluntly before. Tough comment to argue with but ill give it a go.
Alright. Let the replies begin!
1. In AOTC Obi-Wan and Anakin really sucked. They were nowhere near the skill level of the Count.
Seems to remind me of how ROTS Obi-Wan isn't anywhere near the skill level of Dooku.
Plus he had to fight them one on one.
One on one, right after the other. May I remind you that he also expended Force energy on both Anakin and Obi-Wan before he even bothered to take them on.
But if I remeber once he eliminates them both you see him take a deep breath, as if to say that that used a bit more enegy than he expected.
The script acknowledges that both Anakin and Kenobi were child's play: "With TWO LIGHTSABERS, ANAKIN attacks. COUNT DOOKU parries and ripostes. It is no contest.")
As well the AOTC novelization describes Dooku's apparent "deep breath" as "Dooku gave another of his resigned shrugs."
I'd say it was more of a "*sigh* you guys are pathetic", but whatever.
i could be wrong though, ill have to check. But he definetly looked tired when he was getting into his ship after his fight with Yoda.
Lol, you're wrong on this I'd say.
As Dooku and Yoda lock sabers (their last saberlock), Dooku turns his head - and takes down that crane using the Force. Now, as soon as he does that, Yoda turns to save Obi-Wan and Anakin, and we don't see the Count's face after he tears that crane down. The only real time we see Dooku's face is from afar as he's scurrying to his ship, just before he enters fully - he looks to see what happened for a split second and then he's gone. And even then, he's like ten plus yards away from the camera.
2. True. but in ROTS he had to split his energy betwqeen two opponents, giving the duo a significant advantage.
True, true. However number three of my previous post addresses this point.
The duo on the other hand would logically then only have to use half there max energy each, thus not tiring out as fast.
No, Obi-Wan had to use more energy than normally as he dropped into the Ataru stance.
Plus Dooku was nearly 80 years old whereas Anakin and Obi-Wan were both young and fit.
Here we go again. Palpatine wasn't "young and fit" by any standards, nor was Master Yoda, but not surprisingly they [like everyone else] use the Force to compensate for their age, and health. You really think Anakin - even being young and fit - can miraculously jump 10,000 feet away, and onto a droid?
3. Hahahaha. well i cant argue with the novel so you have got me there. but I must say that is a very good description of the Count. I like it...
Yeah, not a bad description at all.
What im saying is that Dooku is on par with Mace - who could beat young Skywalker.
Really now? So...I guess Dooku can best Sidious as well then? Considering y'know, Mace did? Nope, doesn't work like that at all because I remember the Count being the apprentice (I also remember Sidious saying that Anakin is "far more younger and far more powerful than Lord Tyranus"😉.
Im not saying that Dooku won in ROTS, but im saying that if it was one on one the Count would beat Anakin.
...?? The Count fought Anakin one on one, even after regaining his energy (as shown in ROTS novelization quote) and he still lost.
On top of that there's about seven other sources that concede to Anakin firmly being Dooku's superior.
This way he wouldnt be limited to not killing Anakin and not have to worry about Obi-Wan etc.
Yeah, but still Anakin is factual better than Dooku either way you look at it. You don't even need to watch their ROTS fight because of all the other sources that agree Anakin > Dooku.
Anyways, back to Anakin and Mace. One question: why would Mace have a greater mastery of his form than Anakin? I know Mace mastered Vaapad to its highest degree, however, Anakin has done the same apparently. Obviously being the best Djem So user of the Order by the Count's own testimony of "...the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen."
Originally posted by Motoko SamaSeems to remind me of how ROTS Obi-Wan isn't anywhere near the skill level of Dooku.Whats your point? ROTS Obi-Wan was stronger than he was in AOTC thus logically being more difficult to beat in ROTS. It used up a fair amount of the Counts energy removing him from battle.
[quote]One on one, right after the other. May I remind you that he also expended Force energy on both Anakin and Obi-Wan before he even bothered to take them on.
HAHAHAHA YOUR RIGHT!! I dont know what got into me before - in AOTC Dooku wtf pwned the duo. Ignore any of my foolish points that say otherwise... 😛
The script acknowledges that both Anakin and Kenobi were child's play: "With TWO LIGHTSABERS, ANAKIN attacks. COUNT DOOKU parries and ripostes. It is no contest.")
I agree. i dont know what I was thinking before.
As well the AOTC novelization describes Dooku's apparent "deep breath" as "Dooku gave another of his resigned shrugs."I'd say it was more of a "*sigh* you guys are pathetic", but whatever.
Hahahaha. That does seem like the sort of thing our beloved Count would do.
Lol, you're wrong on this I'd say.As Dooku and Yoda lock sabers (their last saberlock), Dooku turns his head - and takes down that crane using the Force. Now, as soon as he does that, Yoda turns to save Obi-Wan and Anakin, and we don't see the Count's face after he tears that crane down. The only real time we see Dooku's face is from afar as he's scurrying to his ship, just before he enters fully - he looks to see what happened for a split second and then he's gone. And even then, he's like ten plus yards away from the camera.
Hmmm. I sure there was a scene we you see Dooku slump into his chair on his ship. I must have been wrong though. However when it is a close up on him flying away he doesnt look very lively. I must say Dooku put up a great fight against Yoda, however he conceded to his former masters strength.
No, Obi-Wan had to use more energy than normally as he dropped into the Ataru stance.
Well, thats Obi-Wans fault for being foolish. He was far better at Soresu than Ataru.
Here we go again. Palpatine wasn't "young and fit" by any standards, nor was Master Yoda, but not surprisingly they [like everyone else] use the Force to compensate for their age, and health. You really think Anakin - even being young and fit - can miraculously jump 10,000 feet away, and onto a droid?
You are right to a point, however you must admit that younger people usually have a natural advantage in terms of strength. It was Anakins brute force attacks that caused the Count to tire after all.
Yeah, not a bad description at all.
😎
Really now? So...I guess Dooku can best Sidious as well then? Considering y'know, Mace did? Nope, doesn't work like that at all because I remember the Count being the apprentice (I also remember Sidious saying that Anakin is "far more younger and far more powerful than Lord Tyranus"😉.
I would say that Dooku is superior to Sids with a saber, but not in force abilities. Much like Mace Windu. Mace managed to overcome Sids with a saber then got wtf pwned with lightning. Much the same thing will happen with Dooku imo. However Dooku has been proven to block force lightning with his hands. And about that quote. Yes anakin is younger. This is a plus for Sids. And when he says powerful it could mean an array of things. I would say he is meaning physical power though.
...?? The Count fought Anakin one on one, even after regaining his energy (as shown in ROTS novelization quote) and he still lost.On top of that there's about seven other sources that concede to Anakin firmly being Dooku's superior.
Yeah, but still Anakin is factual better than Dooku either way you look at it. You don't even need to watch their ROTS fight because of all the other sources that agree Anakin > Dooku.
Hahaha. We shall have to agree to disagree I guess. I cant be bothered arguing this particular point anymore because neither of us are willing to budge on our opinions. hopefully we can agree on this at least...
Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
Uhh Hm Let me see It seems to Me Mace was 2nd Only to Yoda so Ani Gets Demolished in a few seconds.
Get real, Hokage. We're not talking about the nine year old, bowlcut Anakin; we're talking about "the most powerful Jedi of his generation" Anakin. The one who is "far more powerful than Lord Tyranus", who coincidently is on par with Mace Windu (though I'd argue Mace is his slight superior).
Also the fact that he's one of the three people of the PT that can even contend with Sidious, I'd give him a hell of a lot more than a few measly seconds. I'd even give him a chance to win, though I'd give the bigger percentage to Mace.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Get real, Hokage. We're not talking about the nine year old, bowlcut Anakin; we're talking about "the most powerful Jedi of his generation" Anakin. The one who is "far more powerful than Lord Tyranus", who coincidently is on par with Mace Windu (though I'd argue Mace is his slight superior).Also the fact that he's one of the three people of the PT that can even contend with Sidious, I'd give him a hell of a lot more than a few measly seconds. I'd even give him a chance to win, though I'd give the bigger percentage to Mace.
Why even bother typing to a brick wall?