I wasn't aware official star Wars material used hyperbole to describe characters in battle...let me break it down
There's an army. Then comes Luke...who moves too fast for anyone to perceive who clears out levels of the most elite Yuuzhan Vong warriors, slaughters their top elite and kills the Supreme Overlord...and thinks he could've done better if he pushed himself with the Force
Not if he dices Nihilius before Nihilius tries a drain. Unfortunately, as Janus once proved, Nihilus has to paralyze someone and prepare...Luke's way to fast for him.
And let's see...the average Yuuzhan Vong ship was stated to have about...a few million warriors as a planet conquering force. The Sunulok had several times that. Shimrra's hip was stated to contain the most elite of the Yuuzhan Vong, with legions of warriors...you're telling me the Yuuzhan Vong Emperor doesn't travel with a gigantic complement? There were millions of Vong to see him to the surface of a Vong controlled world alone, never mind in the middle of a battle
Where did Janus prove this? I'd like to see it although he is a more credible source than you. Also how are you going to continue arguing if you have to constantly tell me someone has proven it. Let me make it perfectly clear to you. Fighting Vong=/fighting a Sidious and a Nihilus(not even counting Sion). I'm not saying Luke's team will win but to say Luke can handle BOTH of them is fanboyism. He can dice up Nihilus, and Sidious would drain him, or vice versa. This is just stating that Luke can be the greatest Jedi ever but he won't be able to take on Nihilus and Sidious simultaneously as you seem to think. Not to mention I have no idea where you got this "Nihilus needs time to prepare the force drain and to subdue an opponent" bullshit.
He proved it on this forum.
And Sidious taught Luke plenty...including offenses and defenses. Luke was able to block most of Sidious's attacks, hence Sidious forcing a saber duel out of fury.
And Nihilius is shown in orbit some time before wiping out Katarr...and before with the exile...h paralyzes them.
Oh ok youre going to blame kreia's poor physical state? Youre amazing lightsnake really. Let's also ignore the fact that:
#1. It was obvious what happened
#2. Kreia is explaining exactly what happened, this is the exact time where she makes the "there are some techniques in the force for which there is no defense" speech. For the millionth time, your point is moot.
I've said this many times but it gets ignored all the time... Where is the proof that it has no defence? Just because Kreia didn't know any doesn't mean it didn't exist, or could be developped... It's like saying, "Luke Skywalker said in ESB that it was impossible to lift anything the size of an X-Wing, so it must be....."
Kamikz, where is the proof that there IS a defense. Again with the proving a negative. Kreia is a credible source when talking about force abilities considering the fact that she is VERY powerful, and unless you are going to say she's lying, there's no reason to assume there's a technique for it. And considering the fact that we have never SEEN a technique to defend against it(except for the exile obviously), then it's more logical to assume there is not defense for it rather than lightsnake's text about "they know every defense" blah blah.. As Nai pointed out, if they didn't develop a defense for it while FIGHTING it(they didn't, there is no proof that they did), then it's very obvious that they didn't just develop a defense for it out of nowhere, considering the fact that Yoda probably never saw that technique and neither did Sidious. I have yet to see any of the New Sith use it so it would make no sense to say they have a defense.
Nice teams.
Still...Exar Kun, DN Luke and DN Jacen ? Against Sion, Sidious and Nihilus ?
Meh. Luke on his own is capable of wasting the entire opposite team on his own. Thanks to the redicously power boost the EU writers gave him. Nihilus will drop down death (either executed by Luke or toasted by Kun) before he can do anything. Sidious falls next and then Sion gets sliced into so many pieces that he won't recover from it. End of story.
Ah well...before I forget it. Nihilus might try to drain them and it's even possible that he will be successful draining one of them to a certain extend before getting his ass kicked. Unfortunatelly Kun might pull of the same ability (as he was equipped with all of Sadow's knowledge most likely containing it) while Jacen and Luke can both "seperate" theirselves from the force which would basically turn them into different versions of the Exile, weakening Nihilus if he tries to attack them.
Not to mention that there is the chance that Nihilus is down on the floor before he's able to move a finger considering who he fights against.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Nice teams.Still...Exar Kun, DN Luke and DN Jacen ? Against Sion, Sidious and Nihilus ?
Meh. Luke on his own is capable of wasting the entire opposite team on his own. Thanks to the redicously power boost the EU writers gave him. Nihilus will drop down death (either executed by Luke or toasted by Kun) before he can do anything. Sidious falls next and then Sion gets sliced into so many pieces that he won't recover from it. End of story.
Ah well...before I forget it. Nihilus might try to drain them and it's even possible that he will be successful draining one of them to a certain extend before getting his ass kicked. Unfortunatelly Kun might pull of the same ability (as he was equipped with all of Sadow's knowledge most likely containing it) while Jacen and Luke can both "seperate" theirselves from the force which would basically turn them into different versions of the Exile, weakening Nihilus if he tries to attack them.
Not to mention that there is the chance that Nihilus is down on the floor before he's able to move a finger considering who he fights against.
Eh Nai that's a little sketchy, the part about Luke and Jacen can separate themselves to the point where they turn into the exile. I didn't know they could become wounds in the force. That's a very grey area right there.