Religon VS Science

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
An example for Drosophila
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v363/n6428/abs/363449a0.html
Mouse
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v406/n6791/abs/406078a0.html
& Human
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/83/16/5803

EDIT: The abstracts are available but you'll need access through an institution for the full articles.

And this takes us back to the question, when have mutations been observed creating traits.

All those examples show mutations eliminating traits.

Do you know what a point mutation is?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you know what a point mutation is?

A mutation that effects the nucleotide sequence, putting it lightly.

Do you know how immunity works, I'm asking because you gave an example of Drosophila gaining immunity as proof mutations create traits.

It's a single base substitution. You wanted examples of how single changes can cause phenotypic effects. You have them.

I've studied human immunology but am by no means an authority on it. Regardless the article does not deal with immunity. Though feel free to elaborate on whatever you're trying to imply.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's a single base substitution. You wanted examples of how single changes can cause phenotypic effects. You have them.

I've studied human immunology but am by no means an authority on it. Regardless the article does not deal with immunity. Though feel free to elaborate on whatever you're trying to imply.

The article does not deal with immunity?

A point mutation in a Drosophila GABA receptor confers insecticide resistance

Richard H. ffrench-Constant, Thomas A. Rocheleau, Jessica C. Steichen & Alison E. Chalmers*

Department of Entomology, 237 Russell Laboratories, 1630 Linden Drive, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin 53706, USA
*Rhône-Poulenc Ag Company, 2 T.W. Alexander Drive, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709, USA

VERTEBRATES and invertebrates both have GABA (-aminobutyric acid) as a major inhibitory neurotransmitter1,2. GABAA receptors in vertebrates assemble as heteromultimers to form an integral chloride ion channel3. These receptors are targets for drugs and pesticides4 and are also implicated in seizure-related diseases5,6. Picrotoxinin (PTX) and cyclodiene insecticides are GABAA receptor antagonists which competitively displace each other from the same binding site7. Insects8 and vertebrates9 showing resistance to cyclodienes also show cross-resistance to PTX. Previously, we used a field-isolated Drosophila mutant Rdl (Resistant to dieldrin) 10 insensitive to PTX and cyclodienes to clone a putative GABA receptor11. Here we report the functional expression and novel pharmacology of this GABA receptor and examine the functionality of a resistance-associated point mutation (alanine to serine) within the second membrane-spanning domain, the region thought to line the chloride ion channel pore. This substitution is found globally in Drosophila populations12. This mutation not only identifies a single amino acid conferring high levels of resist-ance to the important GABA receptor antagonist PTX but also, by conferring resistance to cyclodienes, may account for over 60% of reported cases of insecticide resistance13

Do you read your articles?

Cyclodienes are GABAA receptor antagonists. I asked you if you were actually going to read them. Clearly you don't actually want information, you want things to try and pick at. Do you know what immunity is in the context of immunology?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Cyclodienes are GABAA receptor antagonists. I asked you if you were actually going to read them. Clearly you don't actually want information, you want things to try and pick at. Do you know what immunity is in the context of immunology?

And I did read them, hence why asked the question where did it show mutations creating new traits?

You want me to trawl through literature and find articles to your exact requirements? Which will probably lead to an additional restraint on what the requirements are, as has occurred here. Frankly, I can get paid for that.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You want me to trawl through literature and find articles to your exact requirements? Which will probably lead to an additional restraint on what the requirements are, as has occurred here. Frankly, I can get paid for that.

You don't have to do anything just forget it, this isn't evolution vs ID thread anyway.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And I did read them, hence why asked the question where did it show mutations creating new traits?

Have you ever seen an albino creature? Many genetic mutations have shown to have caused albanism.

Originally posted by Alliance
Have you ever seen an albino creature? Many genetic mutations have shown to have caused albanism.

Albinoism is the lack of melanin, That's just another example of mutation eliminating traits.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Albinoism is the lack of melanin, That's just another example of mutation eliminating traits.

Lol, lack of color is a trait. A different trait typically would cause the loss of another trait.

Originally posted by Regret
Lol, lack of color is a trait. A different trait typically would cause the loss of another trait.

Are you serious, lack of a trait = a trait. Albino's have close to no melanin in their skim and hair.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Are you serious, lack of a trait = a trait. Albino's have close to no melanin in their skim and hair.

Lol, it is a trait. I don't have a tail, is that a trait? Or do I just not have a tail?

Originally posted by Regret
Lol, it is a trait. I don't have a tail, is that a trait? Or do I just not have a tail?

The lack of a trait, has no function and is not the result of new genetic information.

Ermm, what's the point of this thread again?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The lack of a trait, has no function and is not the result of new genetic information.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The lack of a trait, has no function and is not the result of new genetic information.

Lol, evolution doesn't necessitate new genetic information.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Ermm, what's the point of this thread again?

Is there a conflict betwwen religion and science and why.

Originally posted by Regret
Lol, evolution doesn't necessitate new genetic information.