Mohammad: prophet or ordinary man

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Re: Mohammad: prophet or ordinary man

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Christianity does not recognize Mohammad as a prophet, however, I believe he was spoken to by the angel Gabriel to teach the arabs about god. He had lived in a polytheistic community so the likelyhood of him imagining this stuff up himself is very unlikely, especially when Gabriel is a figure also found in the bible. So assuming he was divinely inspired, does this make him a prophet? What do you think the criteria are for being a prophet? Does anyoen know the official christian stance on this issue?

The Truth shall set you free.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1104/1104_01.asp (Who Is Allah?)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1031/1031_01.asp (Men of Peace)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0029/0029_01.asp (The Deceived)

Re: Re: Mohammad: prophet or ordinary man

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Truth shall set you free.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1104/1104_01.asp (Who Is Allah?)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1031/1031_01.asp (Men of Peace)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0029/0029_01.asp (The Deceived)

Stop posting this bullsh!t.
If you don't know anything about religion, at least don't use that cheap site as sourse of your info. I wish I was there talking to that guy in the first comicbook. He would've ran away crying about his false religion.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Oh my God, i never saw so much bullcrap in my life. Qur'an says that muslim may kill for not believeing in Allah?! Guys that destroyed world trade center are good muslims?! JesusIsAlive, people like you make me sick. You dare to speak about Islam when your own religion has a lot of strange things and it controdicts it self. You don't believe that Jesus is prophet only because you blindly believe in what Bible says, i don't mind, it is your right but do your self a favoure try learning views of both religions before posting some bullcrap comics.
Your religion believes that there is only one God but also says there are God son and God father. Interesting, don't you think? Or how about main idea of Christianity? Jesus died for peoples sins, right? Who created people? God. So God created people and then let them kill himself to expiate their sins so he would let them go to heaven. Makes a lot of sense, right?
I'm not even talking about similarity of Christianity with ancient religion where people worshiped sun. I know in the davinchi code there is a lot of fiction, but there are also some facts you might find interesting, if you don't want to do research by yourself at least read that book. Anyway, i don't care about controdictions now and i don't want to offend christians, sorry if i did, I only suggest you not to believe in every bullcrap you find on sites that were obviously made by christians, and you believe them only because that site speaks well about YOUR God.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Well, see? I do not hate you, I do not swear, I do not call you islamophob. Disagreeing with Islam is the same as disagreeing with any other religion.

Oh and I'm just curious, what's that written in your signiture?

Its from a song.

It says:

First bit says:

''Look upon your home Angel, and take the spider's web from your eyes, You'll see scenes of disturbance, you'll see wounded and ill, you'll see suffering, death and poverty''

Last bit says
''Answer the prayers Angel, rid of the enemies, and became the vengeful one, let them feel us on their skin, let them know what the poverty, fear and pain means''

Sorry can't be bothered to translate the middle. 😮

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Its from a song.

It says:

First bit says:

''Look upon your home Angel, and take the spider's web from your eyes, You'll see scenes of disturbance, you'll see wounded and ill, you'll see suffering, death and poverty''

Last bit says
''Answer the prayers Angel, rid of the enemies, and became the vengeful one, let them feel us on their skin, let them know what the poverty, fear and pain means''

Sorry can't be bothered to translate the middle. 😮

Ok thanks 😄
I was just curious because it sounds like russian or Ukrainian.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Its from a song.

It says:

First bit says:

''Look upon your home Angel, and take the spider's web from your eyes, You'll see scenes of disturbance, you'll see wounded and ill, you'll see suffering, death and poverty''

Last bit says
''Answer the prayers Angel, rid of the enemies, and became the vengeful one, let them feel us on their skin, let them know what the poverty, fear and pain means''

Sorry can't be bothered to translate the middle. 😮

You sound pissed off. I know what an alecto is as well, some fundies piss you off or something?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1031/1031_01.asp?wpc=1031_01.asp&wpp=a (Fact or Fiction?)

To show how stupid the chick tracts are... Here is one of the books reviewed that they use as a source for their information of Islam.

Mr. Robert Morey is a complete crackpot who pushes hate and already disproven theories as scholarship. His "moon-god" premise both lacks logic and historical accuracy and the fact that he continues to preach it makes me wonder if he believes in any god at all. After all, isn't lying a sin? Well, what about repeatedly lying, writing books about the lie, and lying to college-aged kids through radio and computer broadcasts? Is that what Jesus would do?

From deliberately misquoting scripture (verses in the Qur'an taken grossly out of context), to cutting, pasting, and misquoting (which seems to be Morey's masterwork) works of scholars (Professor Carleton S. Coon, for example), "Islamic Invasion" is a tour de force of second-rate scholarship, strawman arguments, and bold-faced lies.

For example, Morey claims that the word "Allah" comes from the moon-god, and that Muslims do not actually worship God, but (heaven forbid!)...the Moon-God! Like I noted above, this statement, first being an outright lie (and Morey knows this too...that is the crazy part! I'll explain below.), shows neither any knowledge of the Arabic language, nor familiarity with Arab culture. Second, the arguement lacks any basis in logic, as I will show. On to the first point...

I myself am an Arab. My family speaks Arabic. My family also happens to be Christian. (I am a Muslim) Now, when my Grandmother prays (she is a Christian mind you) she uses the word "Allah". She is worshipping God. That is how you say "God" in Arabic, whether you are a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Druze, atheist, whatever. It is not like some two-cent fakes (ahem...) note that in Arabic you use the word "Khodh", which happens to be a Farsi word meaning "Lord". This is not true in the least and quite honestly I do not know anyone who uses that word for "God". "Lord" and "God " are two different words. Now, let us follow his logic for a moment. Let us say that the word "Allah" really did come from the "Moon God". Would that mean that everyone that called upon God with the name "Allah" would be damned for Hell, worshipping the "Moon God"?

Let me show the absurdity of this logic by using an example. You have a Spanish speaking Christian who is bowing his head, calling upon "Dios". There is a French Christian kneeling, calling upon "Dieu". An Italian is in the streets with his hands to the sky, praying to "Dio". And a Portuguese is crying out to "Deus". Well, according to Morey's "logic", all of these are damned because etmologically, these names all find their root in the name "Zeus", the god of the pagan Greeks. Wow...even the study of God, "Theology", is in fact the study of "Zeus", as "Theos" is linked to "Zeus". Does anyone really buy this? After all, didn't Jesus call upon God using the name "Alaha?" How in the world does Mr. Morey explain that? Is Jesus too worshiping the moon-god? Perhaps this only works according to his own theology. (Oh, whoops, there's that word again.) I will explain in my second point...

You see, in Islam, there is something called "intention". This is very important. So important that the Prophet of God, Muhammad, noted that "All actions are by their intentions, and you will be rewarded by what you have intended." Thus, if someone calls upon God using the word "Allah", or "Dios", or "Dieu", or "Yahweh", or whatever, and in his heart he is intending to communicate with the One True God without associating any partners or unbefitting attributes, he is communicating with and answered by God. God does not punish people on technicalities. After all, He is the All-Merciful.

Here is an exlicit example of how Morey cites from "authorities." The following is an excerpt from Prof. Carleton S. Coon:

"The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God, but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanu-el, Israel, etc., rather than the Bapal of the northern semites proper, which was the Sun. Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allh, the Supreme Being. (Carleton S.Coon, Southern Arabia, (Washington, D.C. Smithsonian, 1944) p.399)."

Now, Morey, in his hate-blinded attempt to show that the Muslims actually worship the moon-god, chops up Prof. Coon's statement and comes up wth this: "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon god" (Morey p. 10 - 11). Why didn't he complete the sentence? There was more to it. He "forgot" this part: "but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanu-el, Israel, etc., rather than the Bapal of the northern semites proper, which was the Sun." Why did he deliberately leave that out?

In short, Morey is an absolute fraud who should fear the god he claims to believe in: lying and the deliberate spreading of lies are enormities, regardless of which religion one belongs. He should stop making incredible statements which he cannot prove, turn in his pen and microphone, and sincerely apologize to all of those whom he has mislead.

^^ I did not write the above, but it is all true. It is a review of the book Islamic Invasion I saw on amazon.

Re: Re: Mohammad: prophet or ordinary man

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Truth shall set you free.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1104/1104_01.asp (Who Is Allah?)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1031/1031_01.asp (Men of Peace)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0029/0029_01.asp (The Deceived)

What a crying shame there is no truth there. Tell me, isn't it a sin or something to peddle lies and mistruths? Shame on you JIA, shame on you. Baby Jesus is crying somewhere right now

Originally posted by crazy
After all, didn't Jesus call upon God using the name "Alaha ?"

Chapter and verse please.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Chapter and verse please.

I like how you do not respond to the thing as a whole though 🙂, your really are a true brainwashed Christian. You will not admit that your Chicktracts are bullshit will you, it is one thing to preach what you truely beleive, but another to just outright post lies.

I did not write that and you know it, if you said somethigng like "that guy made a mistake here..", it would make sense. I do not have a bible on me so I don't know, but I can definetly try to check. Maybe I can even contact the author.

Originally posted by crazy
I like how you do not respond to the thing as a whole though 🙂, your really are a true brainwashed Christian. You will not admit that your Chicktracts are bullshit will you, it is one thing to preach what you truely beleive, but another to just outright post lies.

I did not write that and you know it, if you said somethigng like "that guy made a mistake here..", it would make sense. I do not have a bible on me so I don't know, but I can definetly try to check. Maybe I can even contact the author.

You curse and you follow Muhammed and Allah.

I refrain from doing that (I follow Jesus Christ remember). Is there a correlation?

Originally posted by crazy
I like how you do not respond to the thing as a whole though 🙂, your really are a true brainwashed Christian. You will not admit that your Chicktracts are bullshit will you, it is one thing to preach what you truely beleive, but another to just outright post lies.

I did not write that and you know it, if you said somethigng like "that guy made a mistake here..", it would make sense. I do not have a bible on me so I don't know, but I can definetly try to check. Maybe I can even contact the author.

What do you mean you didn't write it? It has your forum name as the sender of the post?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What do you mean you didn't write it? It has your forum name as the sender of the post?

Originally posted by crazy
To show how stupid the chick tracts are... Here is one of the books reviewed that they use as a source for their information of Islam.

^^ I did not write the above, but it is all true. It is a review of the book Islamic Invasion I saw on amazon.

The first and last sentence of my post explains that I am just pasting what someone wrote. YES I KNOW IT HAS MY NAME... It does not take a messiah to figure out that when I say I did not write the above, I might have really not wrote the above.

Originally posted by crazy
To show how stupid the chick tracts are... Here is one of the books reviewed that they use as a source for their information of Islam.

Mr. Robert Morey is a complete crackpot who pushes hate and already disproven theories as scholarship. His "moon-god" premise both lacks logic and historical accuracy and the fact that he continues to preach it makes me wonder if he believes in any god at all. After all, isn't lying a sin? Well, what about repeatedly lying, writing books about the lie, and lying to college-aged kids through radio and computer broadcasts? Is that what Jesus would do?

From deliberately misquoting scripture (verses in the Qur'an taken grossly out of context), to cutting, pasting, and misquoting (which seems to be Morey's masterwork) works of scholars (Professor Carleton S. Coon, for example), "Islamic Invasion" is a tour de force of second-rate scholarship, strawman arguments, and bold-faced lies.

For example, Morey claims that the word "Allah" comes from the moon-god, and that Muslims do not actually worship God, but (heaven forbid!)...the Moon-God! Like I noted above, this statement, first being an outright lie (and Morey knows this too...that is the crazy part! I'll explain below.), shows neither any knowledge of the Arabic language, nor familiarity with Arab culture. Second, the arguement lacks any basis in logic, as I will show. On to the first point...

I myself am an Arab. My family speaks Arabic. My family also happens to be Christian. (I am a Muslim) Now, when my Grandmother prays (she is a Christian mind you) she uses the word "Allah". She is worshipping God. That is how you say "God" in Arabic, whether you are a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Druze, atheist, whatever. It is not like some two-cent fakes (ahem...) note that in Arabic you use the word "Khodh", which happens to be a Farsi word meaning "Lord". This is not true in the least and quite honestly I do not know anyone who uses that word for "God". "Lord" and "God " are two different words. Now, let us follow his logic for a moment. Let us say that the word "Allah" really did come from the "Moon God". Would that mean that everyone that called upon God with the name "Allah" would be damned for Hell, worshipping the "Moon God"?

Let me show the absurdity of this logic by using an example. You have a Spanish speaking Christian who is bowing his head, calling upon "Dios". There is a French Christian kneeling, calling upon "Dieu". An Italian is in the streets with his hands to the sky, praying to "Dio". And a Portuguese is crying out to "Deus". Well, according to Morey's "logic", all of these are damned because etmologically, these names all find their root in the name "Zeus", the god of the pagan Greeks. Wow...even the study of God, "Theology", is in fact the study of "Zeus", as "Theos" is linked to "Zeus". Does anyone really buy this? After all, didn't Jesus call upon God using the name "Alaha?" How in the world does Mr. Morey explain that? Is Jesus too worshiping the moon-god? Perhaps this only works according to his own theology. (Oh, whoops, there's that word again.) I will explain in my second point...

You see, in Islam, there is something called "intention". This is very important. So important that the Prophet of God, Muhammad, noted that "All actions are by their intentions, and you will be rewarded by what you have intended." Thus, if someone calls upon God using the word "Allah", or "Dios", or "Dieu", or "Yahweh", or whatever, and in his heart he is intending to communicate with the One True God without associating any partners or unbefitting attributes, he is communicating with and answered by God. God does not punish people on technicalities. After all, He is the All-Merciful.

Here is an exlicit example of how Morey cites from "authorities." The following is an excerpt from Prof. Carleton S. Coon:

"The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God, but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanu-el, Israel, etc., rather than the Bapal of the northern semites proper, which was the Sun. Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allh, the Supreme Being. (Carleton S.Coon, Southern Arabia, (Washington, D.C. Smithsonian, 1944) p.399)."

Now, Morey, in his hate-blinded attempt to show that the Muslims actually worship the moon-god, chops up Prof. Coon's statement and comes up wth this: "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon god" (Morey p. 10 - 11). Why didn't he complete the sentence? There was more to it. He "forgot" this part: "but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanu-el, Israel, etc., rather than the Bapal of the northern semites proper, which was the Sun." Why did he deliberately leave that out?

In short, Morey is an absolute fraud who should fear the god he claims to believe in: lying and the deliberate spreading of lies are enormities, regardless of which religion one belongs. He should stop making incredible statements which he cannot prove, turn in his pen and microphone, and sincerely apologize to all of those whom he has mislead.

^^ I did not write the above, but it is all true. It is a review of the book Islamic Invasion I saw on amazon.

Crazy, I just want to make sure: you did not write this post?

Since you seem to be wanting to get a rise out of me, I will just link you, it is the last one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931230072/sr=8-1/qid=1156401993/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-2433533-3550424?ie=UTF8

Crazy, give me the benefit of the doubt. Why would I want to get a rise out of you. I asked you a serious, valid question. I am just making sure that I am not in error. I clicked the quote button on the post that had your forum name and asked for chapter and verse in reponse to a statement that you made (or so I thought because it had your forum name). Then you reply back insinuating that I seem retarded, and accusing me of posting lies. I am just trying to understand. I didn't see any quotations indicating that you were quoting someone else's words. So based on all of this I had no reason to think otherwise (i.e., that those were not your words in the post). I hope you understand this.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Crazy, give me the benefit of the doubt. Why would I want to get a rise out of you. I asked you a serious, valid question. I am just making sure that I am not in error. I clicked the quote button on the post that had your forum name and asked for chapter and verse in reponse to a statement that you made (or so I thought because it had your forum name). Then you reply back insinuating that I seem retarded, and accusing me of posting lies. I am just trying to understand. I didn't see any quotations indicating that you were quoting someone else's words. So based on all of this I had no reason to think otherwise (i.e., that those were not your words in the post). I hope you understand this.

Yes but I clearly said in my post that I did not write the above... Wait never mind I just understood what you said so I should apologize for getting upset.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Isn't telling lies a sin in christianity? Cause that's what you did.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Isn't telling lies a sin in christianity? Cause that's what you did.

Isn't accusing someone of something without explaining what your talking about nonsensical?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Isn't accusing someone of something without explaining what your talking about nonsensical?

Isn't this stupid?

LOL!

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Isn't accusing someone of something without explaining what your talking about nonsensical?

Isn't what this what you do all the time?