Originally posted by pr1983
The visual effects guys, as far as i'm concerned, deserve oscars, and i genuinely mean that, damn near perfect...Screenwriters? Nope... Costume design? Nope... Casting? Nope...
I'm sure there are plenty of people who are good at thier jobs, but the ones at the top, the ones who have the most responsibility? I think they could have done a lot better...
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No but seriously, I agree with every single detail. 😄
I see it as this, they seem very similar, although clark in the original seemed extremely dorky, but in the comics he never gave that impression as over the top as reeve shown it.
That kind of bumbling character is why most of the youth here in england think this new superman is the same and dont wanna see it because it's "cheesy" which comparing the two, the original was VERY cheesy but worked back then, but hell no would it work now.
The youth would be the deciding factor for this new one, and most who have gone, i know, have said its really good, not as "cheesy" or boring(mostly due to the dated effects i'll admit) and is a lot more emotional than the original.
All in all I'd say they equal eachother out in overall quality of the films.
9/10 for both generously putting it or 8/10 for both if i want to be critical over both of them.
Originally posted by roughrider
[QUOTE=6971620]Originally posted by pr1983
[B]Click the pic to see the full pic, pic pic pic... 😉Omigoddroolio Ed Benes; he and Frank Cho can sure draw females. I'll be keeping this little pic, yessir 😉
lol... look at the other ed benes stuff... awesome stuff... theres a mary jane that isnt exactly pg 13... 😉
In terms of movie making Superman Returns is better than the originals imo. But the originals (at least the first two) are classics. To me the Chris Reeve versions were more comedic and fun-loving, but as i think it was Time magazine said (maybe it was somewhere else) Superman Returns "takes this stuff seriously." Maybe too serious for some, but for me I say it's about time the man of steel was taken seriously.
Originally posted by 113
In terms of movie making Superman Returns is better than the originals imo. But the originals (at least the first two) are classics. To me the Chris Reeve versions were more comedic and fun-loving, but as i think it was Time magazine said (maybe it was somewhere else) Superman Returns "takes this stuff seriously." Maybe too serious for some, but for me I say it's about time the man of steel was taken seriously.
You think he was taken seriously?
Singer made it a point to emulate the old movies...
I'm sorry but i don't see SR as being very serious at all... its as much a family movie as the reeve ones imo...
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Technically....Superman Returns is better in the sense that it has no major plot hole. The original Superman has one of the biggest plot hole in sci-fi-fantasy history.If Superman can spin the world backwards to rescue Lois...why can't he spin it back enough to stop Luthor from launching the missile? See, that's where the original fails.
So in a way Superman Returns does beat the original.
Who's to say he didnt? There wasnt anything showing that he didnt do exactly that. Or maybe he just wanted to change history as little as possible given the warning Jorel gave him. Or then again maybe no one other than lois died so there was no point in going back further than he did.
SR has bigger plot holes than you can imagine. Picking up a Kryptonite island? Flying to the created island KNOWING lex would be there KNOWing lex knows his weakness, KNOWING SOMEONE HAD BEEN AT HIS FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE AN TOOK STUFF an NOT PREPARING FOR IT?!? The biggest most retarded plot hole ever conceived!!!!!!
He has telescopic vision, he has x-ray vision, the only thing that can block it is lead. If he sees a compartment of lead on lex from 10 miles away, kryptonite, HFS! He should of went an got a radiation suit a la the cartoon, HFS!
Being found floatin the water with kryptonite in his back, needle in a MF-ing haystack while the helicopter was flying around? My ass!
Lois swimming superman's 250 pd. 6'2" ass alone to the surface? YA RIGHT, while her supposed husband plays the weak helpless douche(ghey like) while the woman(lois) plays the man. Sounds kinda like a ghey plot to me. You have a guy portrayed weak like that it TOTALLY comes off as gay, IM SERIOUS!
Lois taking her kid an wandering RIGHT Into lex's hands? Ignorant
Superman returning in a spaceship? He shoulda been flying his ass around space without a ship. So again makes no sense or isnt explained at all.
Originally posted by NPC
Who's to say he didnt? There wasnt anything showing that he didnt do exactly that. Or maybe he just wanted to change history as little as possible given the warning Jorel gave him. Or then again maybe no one other than lois died so there was no point in going back further than he did.
SR has bigger plot holes than you can imagine. Picking up a Kryptonite island? Flying to the created island KNOWING lex would be there KNOWing lex knows his weakness, KNOWING SOMEONE HAD BEEN AT HIS FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE AN TOOK STUFF an NOT PREPARING FOR IT?!? The biggest most retarded plot hole ever conceived!!!!!!
He has telescopic vision, he has x-ray vision, the only thing that can block it is lead. If he sees a compartment of lead on lex from 10 miles away, kryptonite, HFS! He should of went an got a radiation suit a la the cartoon, HFS!
Being found floatin the water with kryptonite in his back, needle in a MF-ing haystack while the helicopter was flying around? My ass!
Lois swimming superman's 250 pd. 6'2" ass alone to the surface? YA RIGHT, while her supposed husband plays the weak helpless douche(ghey like) while the woman(lois) plays the man. Sounds kinda like a ghey plot to me. You have a guy portrayed weak like that it TOTALLY comes off as gay, IM SERIOUS!
Lois taking her kid an wandering RIGHT Into lex's hands? Ignorant
Superman returning in a spaceship? He shoulda been flying his ass around space without a ship. So again makes no sense or isnt explained at all.
- He needed a spaceship to reach Krypton to shield himself from the radiation of the debris (where do you think kryptonite comes from?)
Plus, being away from a system with yellow sunlight for so long, it's likely his powers would have faded.
- Yes, he likely knew Lex stole the crystals, but he didn't have kryptonite at the Fortress - Lex got that elsewhere. And did you notice the unusual texture of the Island? Almost lead-like. The kryptonite was inside it, where it wasn't immediately detectable. Do we know his x-ray vision works on krypton architecture anyway?
- He's Superman and tries to do the diplomatic thing first, flying into the Island to find Lex, get back what he stole and take them to the authorities. It's afterwards he decides to get rid of the Island, whatever the human casualties up above (Lex & his henchmen.)
- He took a quick sun-bath to help psych himself up for what would be his biggest strength feat. After all the years of holding back just enough, he had to let loose like never before to push the Island into space. It's an example of his great willpower, to ignore the pain of the kryptonite inching closer to him every second, and do it. He does it, and the strain puts him into a coma and he nearly dies. Entire sequence is great.
Lol okay you are in love with the originals..fair enough, but looking at them from an outside perspective, they dont match up, and SR was made brilliantly, more so than spiderman 2, that is fact.
Now these "plot holes", superman didnt know the island was meshed with kryptonite... da daaa, so its fair that he thought he could out muscle the lot of them to only get beaten down, fair do's.
He was beaten pretty badly too, with a 6 inch peice of kryptonite lodged in an area where his lungs are.
This film was laden with less plot holes, and only small ones were in it, when compared with the original...
Now put it this way, set up 2, well big televisions up, one with the original and one with the new superman film, my eyes will be etched into watching the new one, the graphics, the heart and the better contructed sub plot makes for a better watch.
That is almost a fact among the crowds here in UK.
Originally posted by NPC
Who's to say he didnt? There wasnt anything showing that he didnt do exactly that. Or maybe he just wanted to change history as little as possible given the warning Jorel gave him. Or then again maybe no one other than lois died so there was no point in going back further than he did.
SR has bigger plot holes than you can imagine. Picking up a Kryptonite island? Flying to the created island KNOWING lex would be there KNOWing lex knows his weakness, KNOWING SOMEONE HAD BEEN AT HIS FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE AN TOOK STUFF an NOT PREPARING FOR IT?!? The biggest most retarded plot hole ever conceived!!!!!!
He has telescopic vision, he has x-ray vision, the only thing that can block it is lead. If he sees a compartment of lead on lex from 10 miles away, kryptonite, HFS! He should of went an got a radiation suit a la the cartoon, HFS!
Being found floatin the water with kryptonite in his back, needle in a MF-ing haystack while the helicopter was flying around? My ass!
Lois swimming superman's 250 pd. 6'2" ass alone to the surface? YA RIGHT, while her supposed husband plays the weak helpless douche(ghey like) while the woman(lois) plays the man. Sounds kinda like a ghey plot to me. You have a guy portrayed weak like that it TOTALLY comes off as gay, IM SERIOUS!
Lois taking her kid an wandering RIGHT Into lex's hands? Ignorant
Superman returning in a spaceship? He shoulda been flying his ass around space without a ship. So again makes no sense or isnt explained at all.
So...what's your point?
Originally posted by MattDay
This film was laden with less plot holes, and only small ones were in it, when compared with the original...
Really? 😉
There is still the matter of Supes transferring his powers to his son even though when he and Lois had intercourse he was stripped of his powers at the time. Yes Clark still retains the same Kryptonian DNA but one has to take into account that it was likely altered when his powers were taken away. Even if the transferred DNA allowed Superman's son to absorb solar energy and convert this to energy it was still left even remotely explained or hinted at during SR.
Originally posted by pr1983
You think he was taken seriously?Singer made it a point to emulate the old movies...
I'm sorry but i don't see SR as being very serious at all... its as much a family movie as the reeve ones imo...
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that is simple DNA transference, you don't need to bother yourself with that one, one way or another his son will have similar or the same or even more powers than his father.
The film was a good watch, more interesting than pirates of the carribean 1 or 2, depends on what you think a sequel is lol.
8/10 for SR, it was a good film, simple dimple logic.
Originally posted by MattDay
that is simple DNA transference, you don't need to bother yourself with that one, one way or another his son will have similar or the same or even more powers than his father.
Originally posted by Praylu
....it was still left even remotely explained or hinted at during SR.