Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
"Super" Saiyan... hmmmmHe's part old chinese mythology mixed with Superman.
Japanese Superman.
Yea, I think that's pretty much it.
If you look at the original Dragon Ball you can really see all the similarities between Goku and Sun Wukong (aka Monkey King) from Journey to the West (or the translation Monkey by Arthur Waley). It is actually a very entertaining story in and of itself. Needless to say the Chinese legends on which the Monkey and later Goku were based predate Superman by a wide margin.
But when Dragon Ball Z came around you can see how they borrowed some of the science fiction elements from Superman. Still I think most of the similarities are superficial (no pun intended) and the two are very distinct characters.
first superman was based of an old Jewish folklore with surpassed the birth of Jesus and in alot of way was made to be more like Jesus like you only see superman 16 then all of a sudden he was 30 that was taken from the bible on of the creaters that made Dc new of the Folklore and tryed it out and that were superman came from.
Originally posted by Blaxican Hydra
GOKUS BASED OFF AN OLD LEGAND MADE A HUNDRED FRIGAN YEARS BEFORE SUPES WAS EVEN THOUGHT OF. If anythign Supes is a rip off of Goku.
Part of the story was taken from the ancient monkey PRINCE! An the monkey prince's adventures an the rest was taken directly from superman. An in one early DB episode they pay HOMAGE to superman by having a ripoff of him actually appear in the episode briefly an change in a phone booth an fly off.
I read that on a website a while back, that the creator was paying HOMAGE to superman as part of how he came up with DB/DBZ.
That is beyond similar, cry all you want, its the truth. It might even be on a DBZ/GT website if you look at the DB episode descriptions, look for the DB episode that superman appears in.
Originally posted by Darth MartinActually I disagree as goku done too many amazing things for me to think superman can deal with his speed. But thats the motiff of every DBZ thread
I don't think he is a rip-off, but it is the Japanese Superman. Goku is cool but Superman would destroy Goku in a fight tho.
Originally posted by Skeets
Only the alien part,hardly makes him a rip-off.....😬
People here dont know what a rip off is. An addition to a estabalized character, is not a rip off. Because if it is, then SM is a rip off of Captain Marvel. Why?
Because CM used fligth first.
Because CM had the original bald mad scientist as major enemy.
Because Cm had the first " superhero family" concept.
Because Cm had the ability of time travel first.
Not to mention, the things he got from Doc Savage. And with all this i still i bet the majority will say that SM isent a ripoff. And he isent in fact, but neither is Goku because of a later addition.
Use the same standarts at least people....
Originally posted by NPC
Part of the story was taken from the ancient monkey PRINCE! An the monkey prince's adventures an the rest was taken directly from superman. An in one early DB episode they pay HOMAGE to superman by having a ripoff of him actually appear in the episode briefly an change in a phone booth an fly off.
I read that on a website a while back, that the creator was paying HOMAGE to superman as part of how he came up with DB/DBZ.
That is beyond similar, cry all you want, its the truth. It might even be on a DBZ/GT website if you look at the DB episode descriptions, look for the DB episode that superman appears in.
So you dont even know if it was a fansite but you trow it anyway. The creator never said Goku was a rip off. He cant be because the major inspiration was the Monkey King from the ancient chinese tales that far predate SM.
But if thats a rip off just wait up, the SM creators did mentioned they wanted theyr character to be like Samson/Hercules of our days. What you make of it?
Who is the Monkey "prince" anyway?
P.S - and a "SM" showing up doesnt make it a rip off either because the character had nothing to do with Goku. It was the ep when the DB cast met the cast of an earlier work of Toryama.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Actually I disagree as goku done too many amazing things for me to think superman can deal with his speed. But thats the motiff of every DBZ thread
Superman has done 1000 times more an cooler things, but you would have to read the comics to see them. Which is why people support DBZ cause they dont read, ANYTHING. If they did they would shut their traps. Im a huge DBZ fan but see I did read superman comics so I know better the DBZ fans dont know any better, so its alright. =)
An if you still dont believe me about the DBZ creator paying homage to Supes, then go troll a DBZ board an ask them about it. They will set you straight I asure you!
An if you dont think DBZ sayain saga ISNT a rip off of Superman II, then I want some of what your smoking.
The monkey princes adventures dealt with a monk that became immortal an fought evil forces seek immortality as well. The stuff with super speed, reflexes, flight, strength, being alien, only survivor from homeworld that blew up, that was all supes inspired*ripoff*. Any sane person realizes its a rip off. I mean its what the chinese do best they ripped off the automobile an made a better one, they ripped off the entire electronics industry an made better stuff. Its their thing, its what they do, if you knew anything about history you would know this.
1- Thats not what this thread is about. Leave the DB x SM crap to the proper threads.
2- Wich is for you then? A ripoff, or homage? Theyr not the same thing.
3- Just, no:
The super speed concept predates SM for centuries
The super strength concept predates SM for centuries
Being an "alien" among other people is a concept that predates SM for centuries
The concept of fligth predates SM for centuries and the concept of a comicbook superhero flying, was used before SM.
The one thing SM has for him here, its the lone survivor thing, wich granted while Toryama added later to his already estabelized character, its sligthy different in that Goku isent a lone survivor. At best you can call it homage because the concept its similiar.
And obviously, the Chinese rip off everything. After all they wer already a nation before countries like ours wer born.
Originally posted by NPC
Superman has done 1000 times more an cooler things, but you would have to read the comics to see them. Which is why people support DBZ cause they dont read, ANYTHING. If they did they would shut their traps. Im a huge DBZ fan but see I did read superman comics so I know better the DBZ fans dont know any better, so its alright. =)
An if you still dont believe me about the DBZ creator paying homage to Supes, then go troll a DBZ board an ask them about it. They will set you straight I asure you!An if you dont think DBZ sayain saga ISNT a rip off of Superman II, then I want some of what your smoking.
The monkey princes adventures dealt with a monk that became immortal an fought evil forces seek immortality as well. The stuff with super speed, reflexes, flight, strength, being alien, only survivor from homeworld that blew up, that was all supes inspired*ripoff*. Any sane person realizes its a rip off. I mean its what the chinese do best they ripped off the automobile an made a better one, they ripped off the entire electronics industry an made better stuff. Its their thing, its what they do, if you knew anything about history you would know this.
How is the saiyan saga a rip off of Superman 2? I didn't know General Zod went to Earth to use the dragonballs of earth to gain immortality, i thought he went there to take over the planet 😛. The only simularities was the fact that character's of the same race from another planet fought, which dosen't exactly make it a ripoff now does it?