Is Goku a ripoff of Superman

Originally posted by Sparkz
How is the saiyan saga a rip off of Superman 2? I didn't know General Zod went to Earth to use the dragonballs of earth to gain immortality, i thought he went there to take over the planet 😛. The only simularities was the fact that character's of the same race from another planet fought, which dosen't exactly make it a ripoff now does it?

The only similairities? are you insane?
More similairities
- There were 3 aliens that were survivors of their home world being destroyed in addition to the 1 hero
-They come to earth, the same planet the orphan hero escaped to and confront him in a big show down
-They lose
-They have superpowers as well
-The hero is an orphan
-The hero has a weakness(grabbing the tale) that the 3 alien villans share(for supes its kryptonite)
-Supes lures the villans away from populated area to finish the fight, so did Goku

Wow! That's ... completely unconvincing.

Originally posted by NPC
The only similairities? are you insane?
More similairities
- There were 3 aliens that were survivors of their home world being destroyed in addition to the 1 hero
-They come to earth, the same planet the orphan hero escaped to and confront him in a big show down
-They lose
-They have superpowers as well
-The hero is an orphan
-The hero has a weakness(grabbing the tale) that the 3 alien villans share(for supes its kryptonite)
-Supes lures the villans away from populated area to finish the fight, so did Goku

Wow 3 Alien survivors and a hero great...
They only went to earth to get the dragonballs not to take over...
Of course they lost thats generaly the point of any hero villain story, the villain looses.
The hero and 2 other villains didn't have that weakness.

Basicly there are minor simmularitys in the saga so your saying its a ripoff, and there are alot more differnces out weighing the simmularities...I'd list them but I can't be botherd right now.

Lets look at Superman:

He has a fortress of solitude like Doc Savage had

Hes named "Man of Steel", after Doc`s Savage " Man of bronze "

He has great strength like Hercules had

He has great speed like Mercury had

He came from the "heavens" like Jesus did

He died and came back like Jesus did, there was even a cult about him.

Doomsday shares so many similarities to Hulk, its crazy

Pre crisis Lex Luthor shares so many similarities to Silvana, its crazy

Captain Marvel used fligth first

Captain Marvel used time travel as power, first

Captain Marvel had the "superhero family" (CM jr, Mary Marvel) first

And thats on the top of my head.

So, Homages or rip offs?

well that was the controversy of captain marvel and superman, many believe superman had the base abilities then marvel copied them while superman gained flight and time travel, they basically became more alike and huge feuds broke out over the characters... boring. They both rock!

The contraversy between both was only based in CM being more popular than SM back in the day.

Gladiator who is more of a actual rip off than anyone else discussed in this thread in my opinion, never had legal issues. Neither did Squadron Supreme Hyperion. And they are aliens, with Superman lite powers, costumes, and most of all backgrounds.

And SM still used those after CM. The question mantains here. Wich is Wich?

Goku is an UPGRADE from Superman, more powerful in almost every possible way! Superman is weak.

I take that back. Superman is a BADASS! But he's no goku

goku's no superman tomcat

Originally posted by olympian
Lets look at Superman:

He has a fortress of solitude like Doc Savage had

Hes named "Man of Steel", after Doc`s Savage " Man of bronze "

He has great strength like Hercules had

He has great speed like Mercury had

He came from the "heavens" like Jesus did

He died and came back like Jesus did, there was even a cult about him.

Doomsday shares so many similarities to Hulk, its crazy

Pre crisis Lex Luthor shares so many similarities to Silvana, its crazy

Captain Marvel used fligth first

Captain Marvel used time travel as power, first

Captain Marvel had the "superhero family" (CM jr, Mary Marvel) first

And thats on the top of my head.

So, Homages or rip offs?

Originally posted by MattDay
goku's no superman tomcat

didn't you just say Goku was a rip-off in the other DBZ thread here...

Originally posted by olympian
Link to that quote then, please.

Thats not what the core character is all about. Thats an added thing. Like Superman later flying, being able to time travel and having a bald mad scientist trying to kill him. They are all originals to Captain Marvel. Does that make SM a rip off too?

I dont belive for a second that the creator said his character is a rip off when it was taken from a old chinese legend that everyone in China grows up with. Thats what the character IS. A moderm Monkey King Goku and his companions.

If an adition to an already estabelized character, is to be consider a ripoff then SM ripped off blatantly CM. -Blantantly-

Lol name another superhero thats
-Super fast
-Super strong
-Flys
-Has bullets bounce off him
-Comes from an Alien planet that was destroyed when he was young an barely esacped
-Has a weakness, despite being super strong, do to his alien hertiage
-3 Villans that share the same heritage an powers/weaknesses that also survived that same planets destruction
-3 Villans follow this hero to his new adopted planet
-3 Villans then threaten to kill him if he doesnt join them causing a showdown
-3 Villans then kidnap a close love one of the hero
-Only learns of alien heritage later in life an comes as a shock

Let's see the only thing goku is missing is super freezing breath an heat vision and thats not a a$$ load of similiarites that raises doubt as to goku's originality?
I dont know what your smoking but I want some

You people sound like the type that would argue whether the sky was blue, HFS

Originally posted by NPC

-Has a weakness, despite being super strong, do to his alien hertiage
-3 Villans then kidnap a close love one of the hero
-O

Who has kidnapped Goku's loved ones? (who is a major villian)

Originally posted by Broly92
Goku weakness was cut off and grows back(it's his tail)

Who has kidnapped Goku's loved ones? (who is a major villian)

Raditz kidnapped gohan remember? After Goku refused to join him

Its still a weakness an raditz shared it, its called similairities holy shit. Doesnt make a difference if its cut off or not it was still there an was still a weakness due to his heritage.

Originally posted by NPC
Raditz kidnapped gohan remember? After Goku refused to join him

Its still a weakness an raditz shared it, its called similairities holy shit. Doesnt make a difference if its cut off or not it was still there an was still a weakness due to his heritage.

Originally posted by NPC
Lol name another superhero thats
-Super fast
-Super strong
-Flys
-Has bullets bounce off him
-Comes from an Alien planet that was destroyed when he was young an barely esacped
-Has a weakness, despite being super strong, do to his alien hertiage
-3 Villans that share the same heritage an powers/weaknesses that also survived that same planets destruction
-3 Villans follow this hero to his new adopted planet
-3 Villans then threaten to kill him if he doesnt join them causing a showdown
-3 Villans then kidnap a close love one of the hero
-Only learns of alien heritage later in life an comes as a shock

Why are the powers super fast strong and the ability to fly a rip off of Superman???

Besides goku is Super strong due to his training not to his heritage.

Now lets see, Goku eliminated his weakness even before his tail was cut off...Did superman elimnate his weakness?

Only 1 Villain kidnapped a loved one, and didn't that loved one save the hero?? Did that happen in Superman 2?

Only 1 of those Villains wanted Goku to join him, the other 2 wanted eternal life.

So basicly there are slight simularities which then take completely differnt directions than Superman, thats not exactly a ripoff now is it,

Originally posted by NPC
Lol name another superhero thats
-Super fast
-Super strong
-Flys
-Has bullets bounce off him
-Comes from an Alien planet that was destroyed when he was young an barely esacped
-Has a weakness, despite being super strong, do to his alien hertiage
-3 Villans that share the same heritage an powers/weaknesses that also survived that same planets destruction
-3 Villans follow this hero to his new adopted planet
-3 Villans then threaten to kill him if he doesnt join them causing a showdown
-3 Villans then kidnap a close love one of the hero
-Only learns of alien heritage later in life an comes as a shock

Let's see the only thing goku is missing is super freezing breath an heat vision and thats not a a$$ load of similiarites that raises doubt as to goku's originality?
I dont know what your smoking but I want some

You people sound like the type that would argue whether the sky was blue, HFS

I want an answer. What does Superman have of original of all those traits? Only the sole survivor part. And Goku while similiar, isent a sole survivor. Never was. Even the bullet bouncing part started with Doc Savage due to some garb he had.

In the end your reasoning fails because it works on the premise that every single one of those traits wer original from Superman. And they :

Originally posted by olympian
Lets look at Superman:

He has a fortress of solitude like Doc Savage had

Hes named "Man of Steel", after Doc`s Savage " Man of bronze "

He has great strength like Hercules had

He has great speed like Mercury had

He came from the "heavens" like Jesus did

He died and came back like Jesus did, there was even a cult about him.

Doomsday shares so many similarities to Hulk, its crazy

Pre crisis Lex Luthor shares so many similarities to Silvana, its crazy

Captain Marvel used fligth first

Captain Marvel used time travel as power, first

Captain Marvel had the "superhero family" (CM jr, Mary Marvel) first

And thats on the top of my head.

So, Homages or rip offs?

Simply werent. I even forgot another. More developded senses than any other man? Doc Savage, and pretty much alot who wer beyond the mere mortal. Super genious? Doc Savage.

Homage or rip off?

Problem is, Sun Wukong is a super strong, super fast, flying marital artist.

If anything, Goku is less powerful than Sun Wukong, exp some of his movie verisions.

Goku and Superman share plenty of qualities. I consider Goku a mix of Journey to the West and Superman, but he has original qualities as well.

But Goku is nothing compared to Superman. Superman is an icon and Goku was just a character from an anime popular in the 90s. He's nothing too great now. In 50 years Superman'll still be as big as ever, and people will think "Goku who? Wasn't he one of the Teenage Power Rangers?".

Even in a fight, Goku is a child to Superman.