Originally posted by newjak86
The problem is that Kitty Phases however that works we don't know for sure but it isn't the sane as Vibrating through.You Mag's shields is nothing more than him using the atoms around to power his shield. The thing about Flash's Vibration is that it isn't going through his shield but it would literally be tearing apart the atoms that make it up.
Magneto uses the charge of the electrons of the atoms around him to power his shield. As the Flash runs, he will eventually gain enough momentum to reach the state where his bodies density is so small that he is able to pass his atoms through the particles of solid objects.
Therefore for him to phase he'll have to do what Kitty Pryde does.
Kitty Pryde is a mutant with the ability to “phase” through solid matter by shifting her atoms through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which she is moving.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Pryde,_Kitty
Which means as The Flash tries to vibrate through his shield whatever mass Wally has will be repelled by the charged particles. Wally won't shouldn't get shocked because he won't make contact with the energy of the shield due to the charge. The force given off by Wally will also be nullified due to the charge of the shield.
I'll still stress The Flash takes this particular match all the time.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakNot really because while Kitty is shifting her atoms she isn't vibrating.
Magneto uses the charge of the electrons of the atoms around him to power his shield. As the Flash runs, he will eventually gain enough momentum to reach the state where his bodies density is so small that he is able to pass his atoms through the particles of solid objects.Therefore for him to phase he'll have to do what Kitty Pryde does.
Kitty Pryde is a mutant with the ability to “phase” through solid matter by shifting her atoms through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which she is moving.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Pryde,_Kitty
Which means as The Flash tries to vibrate through his shield whatever mass Wally has will be repelled by the charged particles. Wally won't shouldn't get shocked because he won't make contact with the shield due to the charge. The force given off by Wally will also be nullified due to the charge of the shield.
I'll still stress The Flash takes this particular match all the time.
You see the point is that Wally isn't simply going through the shield but with the energy his Vibrating limbs will be creating he will lieterally tear apart the bonds holding the atoms together.
Originally posted by newjak86
Not really because while Kitty is shifting her atoms she isn't vibrating.You see the point is that Wally isn't simply going through the shield but with the energy his Vibrating limbs will be creating he will lieterally tear apart the bonds holding the atoms together.
You're still assuming that the energy produced by the Flashes phase won't get nullified before it reaches the shield. If the energy produced from the Dark Phoenix and Galactus couldn't rip apart the particles then the energy produced by the Flash's phase shouldn't. 😕
Originally posted by ExodusCloakIt not the enegy produced it how it is being used. Those blasts wouldn't get through because the ATOMS are being held together to strongly by the energy Mags has.
You're still assuming that the energy produced the Flashes phase won't get nullified before it reaches the shield. If the energy produced from the Dark Phoenix and Galactus couldn't rip apart the particles then the energy produced by the Flash's phase shouldn't. 😕
The point is that Flash Vibration would literally send his atoms inbetween atoms seperating the bond themselves and not simply attacking it head on.
Its like Giant Metal Balls being held together by really strong glue no one can break through the balls but if someone got inbetween them breaking aprat the glus holding them together is a big difference. May not be the best metaphor but it is the best I can come up with now.
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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Magneto won't have the time to act or react agianst Flash.
Originally posted by Whittdawg92
not agreed. he obviously just won't stand there and let him "speedblitz" him, so stop b.s.ing like he can't be beat by anyone cuz he can.
Ignore Collective Magneto(I'm not sure about him).
Magneto thinks at the rate of a human being. Flash thinks far far faster then that. Before Magneto can process his first thought Flash could run all the way to Genosha make a cup of tea, come back with a butter knife and stab Magneto in the eye.
Originally posted by Whittdawg92
not agreed. he obviously just won't stand there and let him "speedblitz" him, so stop b.s.ing like he can't be beat by anyone cuz he can.
well he really has no choice cause mags aint gonna be able to move let alone think as fast as wally can move.
also no one says wally beats everyone but he will beat mags.
Originally posted by newjak86
It not the enegy produced it how it is being used. Those blasts wouldn't get through because the ATOMS are being held together to strongly by the energy Mags has.The point is that Flash Vibration would literally send his atoms inbetween atoms seperating the bond themselves and not simply attacking it head on.
Its like Giant Metal Balls being held together by really strong glue no one can break through the balls but if someone got inbetween them breaking aprat the glus holding them together is a big difference. May not be the best metaphor but it is the best I can come up with now.
That's still assuming Flash's particles make contact with the shield.
If you throw a wooden chair at his shield, the particles of the chair doesn't make contact with the atoms of his shield it repels and nullifies the force inflicted. The shield and the chair are like two North Poles of very strong magnets being placed together they don't make contact with each other. If it did allow projectiles to make contact with it then Thors fist would go right through it all the time as it would depend on Magneto's hold on the atoms which it doesn't. This would mean a fatigued Mags would have a crap shield.
I'll have to re-read fatal attractions.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakThings make contact with his shields that is the point of having his shield up 😕
That's still assuming Flash's particles make contact with the shield.
If you throw a wooden chair at his shield, the particles of the chair doesn't make contact with the atoms of his shield it repels and nullifies the force inflicted. The shield and the chair are like two North Poles of very strong magnets being placed together they don't make contact with each other. If it did allow projectiles to make contact with it then Thors fist would go right through it all the time as it would depend on Magneto's hold on the atoms which it doesn't.
I'll have to re-read fatal attractions.
The point I'm making is that Flash's Vibration wouldn't be attacking the shield but the very thing that makes up the shield.
And Mag's Hold on the atoms is the key to its power it not like it simply pushes eveything back ile you said it repules attacks meaning that once it makes contact it simply won't break not that it literally pushes back the attack. Otherwise no one would actually bve ab;e to touch the shield at all.
Flash's attack isn't simply attacking the shield it is destroying the very thing that holds it together. Now in reality Mags would be able to simply pull them back together but by the time he realized what had happened Flash would already be through and KOing him.
People should state forcefields (or other conditions) to stop this cheap speedblitzing, particularly from fanboys. Even though it does work, it destroys the point of the match. You look down a page and its all you see...
Flash is one of my favorite Super Hero's btw, so don't call me a "DC" hater... 🙄