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Ulic Qel-Droma vs. Darth Revan
Combatants: Ulic Qel Droma as of The Sith War (before being stripped) versus Darth Revan as seen at the end of KOTOR.
Setting: Theed Central Hanger - where Maul first engaged Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in combat.
As I always say: skimmed through searches, could've been done before - yadayada.
Oh no you didn't Sama. Ok well in terms of saber combat, I would probably have to give it to Ulic just for the simple fact that he stalemated Kun(already a huge feat), and did the same with Sylvar while not having the force. Now in terms of force abilities, I guess Revan showed a little more(although most of it was gameplay), while Ulic didn't seem to be anything more than a saber warrior.. Tough one..Is Revan wearing his Robes or the Starforge Robes? If so Ulic is going DOWN!
What's so great about the SF robes? It's all about the Quel-Droma robes. Those are the robes that he wore when he defeated Malak.
Anyways, Ulic never really impressed me. Neither did Exar Kun. Or Vodo.
Ulic's best feat imo was stalemating Sylvar in a saber duel while cut off from the force and out of practice. imo, he was the greatest duelist of his era. However that just doesn't put him above Revan imo.
Revan just seems too powerful. Darth Sion seems to admit complete enferiority to Revan. Revan was stated to have battle precognition on the level of such Echani that could predict the outcomes of wars. He was able to progress through an entire fortress full of dark jedi, sith soldiers and advanced battle droids (granted he had help) yet was still able to defeat Darth Malak, who at the time was powered by the SF and eight jedi.
And while certain aspects of Darth Revan are unknown, it seems that he naturally must have grown extremely powerful after having studied from and excavated Malachor V and Korriban.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh no you didn't Sama.
Oh yes! Oh yes I did, indeed.
As for my thoughts, I'd say Ulic wins in an alright match, I suppose. I'd say Ulic's win here is definite. He did stalemate Exar Kun:
And this is Exar when he had already gotten his Sith Amulet by this point (as had Ulic), and had already showed us what the amulet is capable of (disintegrating Massassi, blasting through a Sith Wyrm and temple rock, and destroyed Nadd). Exar had also studied under Nadd's spirit, and taken several scrolls from his tomb. As well, he'd already gotten Sadow's teachings, and also made the sphere that trapped the Massassi and drained their life energies.
As well, he was described as master lightsaber duelist, but enough about his stalemate of Exar Kun (who, at that point, I'd put above Malak and the SF anyways).
He was also the only Jedi out of his party to withstand King Ommin's darkside energies (that consumed Arca, and disrupted Nomi):
And he also killed Warb Null, who cut off Cay's arm, and apparently has powers that disrupt the Jedi train of thought or something:
As well, he also owned the Beast Riders who had weapons described twice as "very powerful", and owned the beasts of Dxun:
I guess Revan showed a little more(although most of it was gameplay), while Ulic didn't seem to be anything more than a saber warrior
Ulic does have a "grasp over the Force that is great" (described as such when he battles Mandalore) though.
Either way though, Ulic wins.
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Anyways, Ulic never really impressed me. Neither did Exar Kun. Or Vodo.
No one impresses you except people who have unknown events surrounding their feats!
Ulic's best feat imo was stalemating Sylvar in a saber duel while cut off from the force and out of practice. imo, he was the greatest duelist of his era. However that just doesn't put him above Revan imo.
Nothing puts anybody over Revan in your opinion, fanboy.
Revan just seems too powerful.
Really? What has he done that's for sure absolute exactly? Oh? Nothing? Yes, I could argue like you, and say that Ulic just seems too powerful [to me] of course.
Darth Sion seems to admit complete enferiority to Revan.
Quote? When the hell has Sion even seen Revan? Either way, doesn't matter. Fallible third party character; as well Sion was thrown around like a ragdoll by Nihilus, and walked away limping like a dog.
Revan was stated to have battle precognition on the level of such Echani that could predict the outcomes of wars.
But couldn't see Malak pwning his ship?
He was able to progress through an entire fortress full of dark jedi, sith soldiers and advanced battle droids (granted he had help)
Gameplay factor, doesn't matter. How many did Revan defeat? Did he just stand back and watch? You can't say for sure, so don't say it at all.
Yet was still able to defeat Darth Malak, who at the time was powered by the SF and eight jedi.
I'll correct that statement: Yet was able to defeat Darth Malak in circumstances unknown, who - at the time - was powered by the unsubstantiated, unquantified, unspecified Star Forge, and could drain life from Jedi.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
From looking at old threads IKC seemed to focus more on pointing on logical fallacies than anything else, not really impressive..
"Focus more on fallacies"? Perhaps you didn't read the 'Ulic and Exar vs Sidious and Dooku' thread? He focused on logical deductions, scans, valid proof, etc.
Sama, you do have to take into account that Kun didn't develop his new style/saber yet, so Kun didn't reach his peak in terms of saber combat. That of course somewhat diminishes Ulic's feat of stalemating. And if this is a saber battle, Ulic wins, if it's a force battle, Revan wins. If it's a mixture, I think it could go either way.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
[B]Sama, you do have to take into account that Kun didn't develop his new style/saber yet, so Kun didn't reach his peak in terms of saber combat.
And? What style was Kun using exactly when he defeated Ulic again? He'd already been training under Nadd. And within the same year apparently he was described as being a "master lightsaber duelist".
That of course somewhat diminishes Ulic's feat of stalemating.
Whatever you want to think. Ulic also held off an anger prone Sylvar, who was bent on killing Ulic and Exar Kun for the loss of Crado while being cut off from the Force. Just so you know, the Force increases saber proficiency as well.
And if this is a saber battle, Ulic wins, if it's a force battle, Revan wins. If it's a mixture, I think it could go either way.
You'd, of course, have to prove that Revan > Ulic in the Force first since you made the assertion. This battle is anything goes, I'm inclined to believe Ulic's Force defenses are good enough, and he is also in possession of Sadow's amulet (which put Cay and Nomi on their ass).
Read through this: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332187
I'm too tired to make my own argument.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Was Ulic's amulent just like Kun's?
Apparently so, since it was part of Sadow's twin set of amulets. Though, I don't believe Ulic has the same proficiency over the amulet as Kun does.
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Read through this: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332187I'm too tired to make my own argument.
What's this bullshit? Wow, Nebaris, you gave me a versus thread from over a year ago! I could be just like you, and be a moronic imbecile and say look here:
"I'm too tired of owning your ridiculous ass."
Please.
Nebaris, you gave me some stupid thread from ages ago, where people didn't even have their facts straight (and apparently still don't - as I can see from what you give).
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Read through this: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332187I'm too tired to make my own argument.
No, the Exar Kun vs Darth Revan thread where Illustrious owns Lightsnake.
