Dumb American

this has to be addressed.

to open, ill give my stance. this is not the topic, but just my motivation for creating this thread:

imho the whole "you americans dont do anything about it" argument is getting really old, and its baseless, childish, hypocritical, and downright eletist. what SHOULD americans who oppose current u.s. policies do? should we grab firearms and create anarchy? would you? what is this elusive 'thing' we are supposed to do which we are not doing already? all i read is "DO SOMETHING!!!!" but really, lets have a solution devoid of pinheaded rhetoric and insults.

now, THIS is the topic:

lets use myself as the model. i, pvs, am strongly opposed to the policies of the current u.s. administration. protesting is fast becoming illegal, my congressmen dont give a damn what i have to say, although my particular congressman (nj) seems to share my opposition, no thanks to me or any fellow n.j. taxpayers. so lets just say for the sake of argument that i live in.....minnesota....there we go. so now im in a corner and nobody's on my side.

list out an agenda of how i, the dumb american, can prove my worth and can finally be recognised among the greatness of everyone who is not from america, u.k., or isreal. no rhetoric, no insults, no bullshit damning diatribes which make the will of myself and bush one and the same. (example: YOU INVADED IRAQ!!! YOU MURDER INNOCENTS!!!! etc)

leave the high horse behind, and assume that i am genuinly a 'dumb american' and dont know better. its now up to you to steer me in the proper direction, or else you are ignoring your responsibility as an intelligent non-american to educate and help me understand. its up to you now to sheppard the ignorant. up for the challenge? here we go....

WHAT. SHOULD. I. DO> or more to the point, what would you do if you were in my shoes.

Originally posted by PVS
eletist.

Ironic.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ironic.

off topic 😬

having a pop at someone because they live on a certain bit of land is pathetic. the world was round last time i looked

Originally posted by PVS
off topic 😬

Originally posted by PVS

lets use myself as the model. i, pvs, am strongly opposed to the policies of the current u.s. administration. protesting is fast becoming illegal, my congressmen dont give a damn what i have to say, although my particular congressman (nj) seems to share my opposition, no thanks to me or any fellow n.j. taxpayers. so lets just say for the sake of argument that i live in.....minnesota....there we go. so now im in a corner and nobody's on my side.

list out an agenda of how i, the dumb american, can prove my worth and can finally be recognised among the greatness of everyone who is not from america, u.k., or isreal. no rhetoric, no insults, no bullshit damning diatribes which make the will of myself and bush one and the same. (example: YOU INVADED IRAQ!!! YOU MURDER INNOCENTS!!!! etc)

leave the high horse behind, and assume that i am genuinly a 'dumb american' and dont know better. its now up to you to steer me in the proper direction, or else you are ignoring your responsibility as an intelligent non-american to educate and help me understand. its up to you now to sheppard the ignorant. up for the challenge? here we go....

WHAT. SHOULD. I. DO> or more to the point, what would you do if you were in my shoes.

Well, it's hard to say, how bad is it? Is it like today, well, there's not much you can do support a party that you think will bring a change.
If it is much, much worse you might want to think about a sort of resistance (V style).

So, how are things in this case? How fascist is the system?

And, did I misunderstand?= This is about "politically dumb", right? Not ..well...real dumb?

Originally posted by PVS
this has to be addressed.

to open, ill give my stance. [b]this is not the topic, but just my motivation for creating this thread:

imho the whole "you americans dont do anything about it" argument is getting really old, and its baseless, childish, hypocritical, and downright eletist. what SHOULD americans who oppose current u.s. policies do? should we grab firearms and create anarchy? would you? what is this elusive 'thing' we are supposed to do which we are not doing already? all i read is "DO SOMETHING!!!!" but really, lets have a solution devoid of pinheaded rhetoric and insults.

now, THIS is the topic:

lets use myself as the model. i, pvs, am strongly opposed to the policies of the current u.s. administration. protesting is fast becoming illegal, my congressmen dont give a damn what i have to say, although my particular congressman (nj) seems to share my opposition, no thanks to me or any fellow n.j. taxpayers. so lets just say for the sake of argument that i live in.....minnesota....there we go. so now im in a corner and nobody's on my side.

list out an agenda of how i, the dumb american, can prove my worth and can finally be recognised among the greatness of everyone who is not from america, u.k., or isreal. no rhetoric, no insults, no bullshit damning diatribes which make the will of myself and bush one and the same. (example: YOU INVADED IRAQ!!! YOU MURDER INNOCENTS!!!! etc)

leave the high horse behind, and assume that i am genuinly a 'dumb american' and dont know better. its now up to you to steer me in the proper direction, or else you are ignoring your responsibility as an intelligent non-american to educate and help me understand. its up to you now to sheppard the ignorant. up for the challenge? here we go....

WHAT. SHOULD. I. DO> or more to the point, what would you do if you were in my shoes. [/B]

i can see where you are coming from although i think the more pertinent comments seem to be "you had your chance to do something and didn't" ie: vote out Bush at the last election

clearly this is a stupid arguement as well to say to an individual because if you wanted to get rid of Bush you would have voted democrat and most likely did

it's now clear that organised protests are pointless because they are kept so far away from the leaders of countries that they dont even see them anyway...and even when they are millions strong...ie: the "not in my name" anti-war demonstrations they are fruitless

i guess they only available option is to become a activist for the democrats

obviously this is not feasible for alot of people because it's volountary and most people cant afford to give up paid work for that cause even if they wanted to

so you're pretty much up the creek without a paddle

regardless of what you do now...Bush is in power until the next election...and maybe his republican successor there after

bush is in power untill they decide otherwise. dont tell me you think the voting system makes a difference please

Originally posted by Bardock42
If it is much, much worse you might want to think about a sort of resistance (V style).

the only logical conclusion. and to do this would be to kiss more than one's own life goodbye, but go against every instinct of preservation for myself, family, friends, etc.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, how are things in this case? How fascist is the system?

nationalism has been grossly bloated since 9-11, but nowhere near the irrational brainwashing magnitude as of when we were dealth that tragedy. so i would say that there is a corporate/fascist agenda, but it doesnt reflect the will of 'the people'. in fact i think if the media was not filtered and we could really see what is taking place in the middle east for what it is, the right who support the administration unconditionally would be a tiny minority. just my opinion though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And, did I misunderstand?= This is about "politically dumb", right? Not ..well...real dumb?

well....i dont know, really. i assume the jab is intended as a complete and total damnation, as is the case with most rightous distribes we see. you know, americans are dumb in every possible way, we just watch tv and eat mcdonalds, chug budweiser longnecks as we fart in out lazy-boy's and masturbate while singing the star spangled banner...etc. thats the impression i get anyway from their attitudes. however the assumption, for the sake of topic, is that they only mean that we are politically dumb, and thus redeemable.

Originally posted by Deano
bush is in power untill they decide otherwise. dont tell me you think the voting system makes a difference please

i thought bush was a puppet...

Originally posted by jaden101
i thought bush was a puppet...

When he says "they" he means the Lizard men....and illuminati Elitests...

please stop baiting deano. there is a whole conspiracy thread to bait deano in, please use it.

Originally posted by PVS
well....i dont know, really. i assume the jab is intended as a complete and total damnation, as is the case with most rightous distribes we see. you know, americans are dumb in every possible way, we just watch tv and eat mcdonalds, chug budweiser longnecks as we fart in out lazy-boy's and masturbate while singing the star spangled banner...etc. thats the impression i get anyway from their attitudes.

It is an unfortunate attitude, and one I attribute, to a large degree, to the acceptance of media stereotypes. Not being from the US one is reasonably free from the sometimes over the top nationalistic attitudes. However the view offered still isn't always accurate - it is more often the case they show extremes. The violent American, the Racist American, the jingoistic American, George W. Bush. People don't very often get to see the every day American, the ones who don't agree with the stances put forward by the Administration - we are only shown the things we can a. laugh at (the quintessential dumb yank) or b. express disgust at (the gung ho, kick down the back door gun nut.) What makes it to the news? The bad things, the bad images.

I would say I sympathise being caught in a political environment that is far from pleasant. Likewise I sympathise with those that get tared with the same brush as the governments creating such negative images. Sadly, from a pragmatic point of view little can be done. Revolution rarely enough worked in the past, the idea of any real democratic uprising is almost a distant dream. Likewise it can breed a feeling of doubt about the democratic citizenry when it seems as if they lack the motivation or direction to make the necessary change.

The only thing, really, is to keep on trying. It might not achieve anything at all - but none the less it keeps ones integrity in tact. That "I wont go quietly into the night" attitude. If a system is wrong, don't agree with it. Vote, share your thoughts and feelings, and hope that enough people share your views to change it. Nothing might change, but a person can still think "well, I did my part with conviction and hope, and I should be proud of this. I didn't just cave in and become what I don't believe in." Granted, there will probably always be a negative view from somewhere that would see an entire nations people portrayed as a single negative entity whose fault it is something or another has happened. This is why it is vital, I feel, to have people who feel passionate about their views and the state of the nation - to stop a situation where a person could knock a nations people as a whole, and be right.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Elitests

Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you people?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
it is more often the case they show extremes. The violent American, the Racist American, the jingoistic American, George W. Bush.

Good one...

Originally posted by PVS
please stop baiting deano. there is a whole conspiracy thread to bait deano in, please use it.

it's just too hard to resist

Originally posted by PVS
this has to be addressed.

to open, ill give my stance. [b]this is not the topic, but just my motivation for creating this thread:

imho the whole "you americans dont do anything about it" argument is getting really old, and its baseless, childish, hypocritical, and downright eletist. what SHOULD americans who oppose current u.s. policies do? should we grab firearms and create anarchy? would you? what is this elusive 'thing' we are supposed to do which we are not doing already? all i read is "DO SOMETHING!!!!" but really, lets have a solution devoid of pinheaded rhetoric and insults.

now, THIS is the topic:

lets use myself as the model. i, pvs, am strongly opposed to the policies of the current u.s. administration. protesting is fast becoming illegal, my congressmen dont give a damn what i have to say, although my particular congressman (nj) seems to share my opposition, no thanks to me or any fellow n.j. taxpayers. so lets just say for the sake of argument that i live in.....minnesota....there we go. so now im in a corner and nobody's on my side.

list out an agenda of how i, the dumb american, can prove my worth and can finally be recognised among the greatness of everyone who is not from america, u.k., or isreal. no rhetoric, no insults, no bullshit damning diatribes which make the will of myself and bush one and the same. (example: YOU INVADED IRAQ!!! YOU MURDER INNOCENTS!!!! etc)

leave the high horse behind, and assume that i am genuinly a 'dumb american' and dont know better. its now up to you to steer me in the proper direction, or else you are ignoring your responsibility as an intelligent non-american to educate and help me understand. its up to you now to sheppard the ignorant. up for the challenge? here we go....

WHAT. SHOULD. I. DO> or more to the point, what would you do if you were in my shoes. [/B]

you know what the PROBLEM is PVS most americans cant even spell half the words u can not to mention express them in the way that u have. ur not just sum1 fairly intelligent with biased views which u havent really logically measured out. most americans are NOT like you and cant even THINK or CARE to put up an argument like that. get what im saying.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you know what the PROBLEM is PVS most americans cant even spell half the words u can not to mention express them in the way that u have. ur not just sum1 fairly intelligent with biased views which u havent really logically measured out. most americans are NOT like you and cant even THINK or CARE to put up an argument like that. get what im saying.

i dont think i've ever been annoyed with compliments before. interesting.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you know what the PROBLEM is PVS most americans cant even spell half the words u can not to mention express them in the way that u have. ur not just sum1 fairly intelligent with biased views which u havent really logically measured out. most americans are NOT like you and cant even THINK or CARE to put up an argument like that. get what im saying.

Well, spellcheck is your friend. Judging by your own comments I am assuming your American.

Originally posted by Soleran
Well, spellcheck is your friend. Judging by your own comments I am assuming your American.

enough irony. back to topic

n theres a lot of evidence of that, america is directly or indirectly involved/responisible for most of the conflicts of the world due to it being a super power and HAVING to poke its nose everywhere n thats FINE, but the sad fact is that most of its people dont know CRAP about more than half the planet{even the name or location} and the countries that THEIR government is very significantly affecting using the american PUBLIC'S taxes. a nation is responsible for it's government's actions specially an organised democracy like the us but they are least bothered which is QUITE evident from bush being reallected. only about 4000 people died in the september 11th attacks n YOU the SMART americans took it on yourself to not only hate the muslim world{or GREATLY increase the already existing hate} and FIGHT terrorism in sovereign states. isnt it REASONABLE to assume that the loved ones and supporters of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS that have died in africa, kashmir, afghanistan, iraq not to mention the many raped, taken advantage of economically by the US's unfair trade monopoly and the many MANY internal conflicts that rise as a result of america sucking the third world of its resources among many other things and the people being very drastically affected by these things would call the american public with a humble insult like STUPID?! n u dont think even THAT is fair?!

hey i forgot palestine.