Batman with the Motherbox and a GL Ring VS. Abraxas

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude I'm sorry but I find that hard to believe considering how many people could use one on darkseid and haven't. I'm not talking about indirect, I mean direct usage. I think its more of your assumption than fact.

No seriously. It's been used to do that. The reason Darkseid stays alive is honestly through plot devices. DC wouldn't want one of it's most popular villains ever to be destroyed or killed. 😉 Besides, the motherbox has never been directly used on Darkseid.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no no NO! the motherbox can destroy a UNIVERSE same with ultimate nullifier. abraxas travelled THROUGH the multiverse killing galactus in many universes which triggered the MULTIVERSAL threat, he himself as a being was on par with the UNIVERSAL eternity. so the mother box cant and does not NEED to destroy the multiverse. only the universe.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no no NO! the motherbox can destroy a UNIVERSE same with ultimate nullifier. abraxas travelled THROUGH the multiverse killing galactus in many universes which triggered the MULTIVERSAL threat, he himself as a being was on par with the UNIVERSAL eternity. so the mother box cant and does not NEED to destroy the multiverse. only the universe.

Originally posted by batdude123
It's a direct powerlink to the Source, so yes... 🥷

That's nice...

Has it ever Destroyed or Remade the Muliti-verse on panel though?

Originally posted by batdude123
No seriously. It's been used to do that. The reason Darkseid stays alive is honestly through plot devices. DC wouldn't want one of it's most popular villains ever to be destroyed or killed. 😉 Besides, the motherbox has never been directly used on Darkseid.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's nice...

Has it ever Destroyed or Remade the Muliti-verse on panel though?

Ask Juntai. Again, he knows more about it than I do. However, yes, it was stated that it was used to help build the multiverse.

ooooooooooooooooo, youve been masturbated!!!
cause his name is mr master and hes debating.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Didn't you say before that it was used to bring Superman to his knees, well why not on darkseid. Incapcitating him would still be an option yet Batman refuses to use it. Or Orion, Mr Miracle, Barda, or Highfather for that matter. Do you pics of it being used for that or at least an issue number.

I never said Batman USED it on Superman to bring him to his knees. Batman THREATENED to use it on Superman, and he pleaded with him. Check out JLA: Classified.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
The nullfier can make a multiverse, not a universe. No what triggering the death of the multivers was Abraxus himself, not the death of Galactus. The death of Galactus brings Abraxus, who in turn destroys the multiverse. Abraxus killed all the Galactus's to assure that there was no chance of himself being contained.

This is correct.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's nice...

Has it ever Destroyed or Remade the Muliti-verse on panel though?

Motherboxes can be pretty powerful...

This should shed some light on the subject.

Thanks avalon but the above is not as impressive as destroying and remaking a multiverse. So far Bats still gets blinked out of existance.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Thanks avalon but the above is not as impressive as destroying and remaking a multiverse. So far Bats still gets blinked out of existance.

That's just a fraction of its total power. 😬

not true, theres no evidence for the nullifier having multiversal creative or destructive power. its only killed galactus, abraxas and a universe till now. abraxas is a UNIVERSAL entity which came into being after galactus was killed as a result of the imbalance created in the UNIVERSAL eternity by galactus's death. he only became a threat to the multiverse when USING the ultimate nullifier stolen from reed he started universe hopping and killing and collecting the heads of different galactus's and creating imbalances in eternity{the nourisher of life and SINGULAR universes} in more than one universe using the nullifier.

Originally posted by batdude123
That's just a fraction of its total power. 😬

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no no NO! the motherbox can destroy a UNIVERSE same with ultimate nullifier. abraxas travelled THROUGH the multiverse killing galactus in many universes which triggered the MULTIVERSAL threat, he himself as a being was on par with the UNIVERSAL eternity. so the mother box cant and does not NEED to destroy the multiverse. only the universe.

Actually the Ultimate Nullifier can destroy a single entity, a galaxy, a Universe or the Multi-verse...

It's power has manifested in these different levels in the several times it's been used.

Abraxas killed Galactus and his other selves to ensure his freedom.

Abraxas causes the Multiverse to fold in on itself by his presence, not because of Galactus or other Galactuses dying..

Abraxas IS the inbalance between Eternity and Death.

Abraxas is an Aspect of Galactus just like the Ultimate Nullifier is.

Abraxas caused the Entire Multiverse to becomed misaligned.

Reed Richards in the end of the Abraxas arc had to Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse in order to Realign all that was Misaligned.

Regarding Batman with the motherbox against Darkseid: after Batman had been hit twice by Darkseid, Batman thought, "The beating I'm taking is only for his personal enjoyment. But, Barda's Mother Box will protect me from him for only so long."

Sounds to me like the MB, therefore, is Not so much more powerful than Darkseid that Batman would be thinking that after being hit only 2x.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude, that sounds more like assumption than fact and even that feet above can be pulled into question. I still don't see it happening.

Like I said, it was used to help rebuild the multiiverse. 😉

The biggest feat i know of with the mb, also had Orion with the ALE. IIRC, that is.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Motherboxes can be pretty powerful...

This should shed some light on the subject.

So the Motherbox is a Universal weapon.

NOT a Multi-versal one.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Thanks avalon but the above is not as impressive as destroying and remaking a multiverse. So far Bats still gets blinked out of existance.

No problem. I knew this would come up but let's remember something. Black
racer (an avatar of death) says he's casting his shadow over ALL CREATION. At that time in the DC universe (and even now) the DC universe is NOT a multiverse.

There is NO MULTIVERSE to destroy. The motherbox is doing maximum damage by recreating everything there is.