Captain America vs Namor

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Namor.

darthgoober Senior Member
Originally posted by namorsubby
namor has stalemated thor and hulk on several occassions. he has about 6 stalemates with hercules. he's lately been fighting sentry in the avengers/invaders series.twice already.

Yeah he's got an impressive high end, but let's remember that Cap's high end is pretty impressive too. And regardless of each characters high end Cap's shown that he can make life difficult for Namor time and time again.

You're arguing opinion vs evidence, and that's an argument that you just can't win.

Originally posted by namorsubby
cap is so vastly outclassed here it's not funny. check the namor annual #1. cap says himself he can't hurt him at all.what more do you need? the notion that cap has the power to Ko or even hurt namor is ridiculous. what class is he again?

Yeah I saw that Annual and I have to disagree with you. Cap does say "My blows can't hurt him, but they can distract him long enough for Spitfire to grab some electrical cable and..." but I don't think he was saying that he was incapable of hurting Namor, I think it meant that he was trying to capture Namor without actually hurting him because they were trying to take him to his surprise party. But even if your interpretation were the correct one(and I don't think it is) it would still be one statement that's contradicted by the two's established history. I mean what better proof could there be that Cap's shots can hurt Namor than them having done so on multiple occasions?

And that's just with punches, Cap's shield has hurt virtually everyone he's used it against(including cl 100+'s) outside a few rather isolated cases so why should Namor be any different? Especially since it's done so on panel in the past...

Originally posted by namorsubby
oh, and BTW. heard you say something about wonder man. namor recently made a fool outta him and ares together in avengers/invaders #2.

Yeah... I'm talking classic Wonder Man. Back in the day Wonder Man was portrayed as a fair share more impressive than he is now, and that's the version that admitted to Cap's shield hurting him on the rebound.

Originally posted by namorsubby
no way.

i know this comic, weapon x #14. [b]that was not namor [/B]


I know, it was a Namor clone created by Mr. Sinister(who's clones are of pretty high quality). But if Cap cab KO Namor's physical double in outright combat than it seems a little unreasonable to try to claim that he's be incapable of KOing Namor if the guy just stood there and took it.

namorsubby Senior Member

i just can't believe this. it's completely ridiculous. captain america cannot defeat namor, period. he simply does not have the power to hurt or Ko him. namor could kill cap with ridiculous with just one hit.

cap is very similar to batman in this aspect. batman has kicked darkseid and made him bleed, dodged superman, hurt wonder woman, and beaten Lobo.however i would never begin to argue that he could beat any of these guys based on all that. it's crap, and gives batman a bad rap. same goes for cap

those feats are pure PIS. the rules cleary state that if there is a situation where one opponent defeats the other, but his stats and all other showings scream in contradiction of it, then it is pis. they allso state it is not usable.

BTW, those aren't high-end feats of namor's.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by namorsubby
i just can't believe this. it's completely ridiculous. captain america cannot defeat namor, period. he simply does not have the power to hurt or Ko him. namor could kill cap with ridiculous with just one hit.

Again, you're arguing opinion vs evidence.

Originally posted by namorsubby
cap is very similar to batman in this aspect. batman has kicked darkseid and made him bleed, dodged superman, hurt wonder woman, and beaten Lobo.however i would never begin to argue that he could beat any of these guys based on all that. it's crap, and gives batman a bad rap. same goes for cap

The gap between Cap an Namor is nowhere near as large as Batman and Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by namorsubby
those feats are pure PIS. the rules cleary state that if there is a situation where one opponent defeats the other, but his stats and all other showings scream in contradiction of it, then it is pis. they allso state it is not usable.

Wrong rule, you're thinking of SvFL. PIS is when one character doesn't use all of his abilities, for instance if Namor didn't use his speed or flight. But as you can clearly see...
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Namor DOES use his speed/flight, it's just that Cap's got the reflexes and skill's necessary to react to it. And because he can react to it, he's able to roll with Namor's punches.

And here's the thing about SvFL, it's actually dependant upon an inconsistency for the character. But since taking on a cl 100 like Namor is hardly an inconsistency for Cap, it doesn't really fit into the SvFL category either.

Originally posted by namorsubby
BTW, those aren't [b]high-end feats of namor's. [/B]

Thor is definitely "high end" for Namor. But if you can think of much higher I'd love to hear it.

namorsubby Senior Member

so cap can beat namor then right? fine, whatever you say. might as well throw in hercules, because they've always seemed pretty matched. he should formmidable against hulk and thor too then.prbably could compete with sentry, namor has. and ares and wonderman together, no sweat right?

loved that scene of when cap escaped from namor is the water. namor who apparently was trying to kill him..........in the water. abomination couldn't escape from namor in the water. namor's slugged it out with surfer in the water, but yeah whatever.

i just don't know what to say to you anymore. sheesh ❌

namor 10/10

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by namorsubby
so cap can beat namor then right? fine, whatever you say. might as well throw in hercules, because they've always seemed pretty matched. he should formmidable against hulk and thor too then.prbably could compete with sentry, namor has. and ares and wonderman together, no sweat right?

loved that scene of when cap escaped from namor is the water. namor who apparently was trying to kill him..........[b]in the water. abomination couldn't escape from namor in the water. namor's slugged it out with surfer in the water, but yeah whatever.

i just don't know what to say to you anymore. sheesh ❌

namor 10/10 [/B]


I never said that Cap beats Namor for the majority, I said that he wins a couple and makes Namor work for the rest. I acknowledge that Namor is superior overall but the fact remains that Cap has the tools to put up a good fight. He's done it time and time again already and he'll do it yet again when/if it ever comes up.

Argue with it all you want, but all you have is your opinion on it. Pretty much all the evidence rest on my side.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Namor would own this fight on all levels.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Namor would own this fight on all levels.

Except that he never has, despite having several opportunities.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Too fast, Too strong, Too everything else.

Cap's got nothing on Namor.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Too fast, Too strong, Too everything else.

Cap's got nothing on Namor.


All the evidence disagrees.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

PIS/CIS not withstanding.

vansonbee Isee
Originally posted by darthgoober
All the evidence disagrees.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
PIS/CIS not withstanding.

So are you saying Namor still wins, but not in stomp? This thread already stated no CIS or PIS.

Mindset Senior Member

You can't use logic when Cap or Batman are in a fight.

Zack Fair Fanboy
Originally posted by Mindset
You can't use logic when Cap or Batman are in a fight.

QFT

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
PIS/CIS not withstanding.

You'd need proof to support a PIS/CIS claim. Cap's track record against guys like Namor is far too consistent to make the claim without proper justification.

Originally posted by vansonbee
So are you saying Namor still wins, but not in stomp?

Pretty much.

namorsubby Senior Member

i'm going to start arguing this way for bats.and count how many people call me a nut.

i don't understand how bats can get such a bad rap for this when cap has "feats" are just as bad..........or good, depending on your perspective.lol

until today after veiwng this thread and the wildcat vs cap thread i never knew there was a cap-god. honestly i wish i wouldv'e remained ignorant. i'm a pretty big batfan, but batman's crazy feats have always earned my disdain rather than respect, same goes for cap.

Zack Fair Fanboy

Dude...Cap panwed Hulk.

Didn't you get the memo?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by namorsubby
i'm going to start arguing this way for bats.and count how many people call me a nut.

i don't understand how bats can get such a bad rap for this when cap has "feats" are just as bad..........or good, depending on your perspective.lol

until today after veiwng this thread and the wildcat vs cap thread i never knew there was a cap-god. honestly i wish i wouldv'e remained ignorant. i'm a pretty big batfan, but batman's crazy feats have always earned my disdain rather than respect, same goes for cap.


Cap is Batman's physical superior and has one of the best offensive/defensive weapons ever available to him. You can't fault Cap for being able to KO heavy weights with his shield anymore than you'd fault Batman for having some trick in his utility belt that might do the same thing. It's part of their character and it's the only character we're ever going to see.

You're arguing your own personal opinion of what the characters abilities SHOULD be an you're flat out ignoring the evidence that supports what those abilities actually are. When you're a writer your opinion will count for something, but until it hits the panel you're making a baseless claim.

Zack Fair Fanboy

I agree with your average of Cap/Batman's feats Goober.However I share his feeling of frustration.

namorsubby Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap is Batman's physical superior and has one of the best offensive/defensive weapons ever available to him. You can't fault Cap for being able to KO heavy weights with his shield anymore than you'd fault Batman for having some trick in his utility belt that might do the same thing. It's part of their character and it's the only character we're ever going to see.

You're arguing your own personal opinion of what the characters abilities SHOULD be an you're flat out ignoring the evidence that supports what those abilities actually are. When you're a writer your opinion will count for something, but until it hits the panel you're making a baseless claim.

how about this.

namor wins because he consistently since creation has beaten/stalemated begin those who's powers are inconcievable to cap's. and to whom cap has absolutely no advantage.and those feats you have shown represent a gross contradiction to the vast majority of namor's sowings. including several vs cap.

in the invaders series cap throws his shield at namor and hits him in the head. it does absolutely nothing,as it should. i can name at least two examples where cap was displayed as being so unthreatening to namor he didn't bother to fight him.