Originally posted by Praylu
Amusing.....yawn It seems going any further would be deemed pointless...
my point is: either way, unknown or known, people will know who 'he' is, will find out who he is. They just have to find a good actor. Its like, "you are searching for the best movie, and you ignore all the mainstream films, and pick one of those limited released films to be the best film." i hope thats clear lol
Originally posted by Praylu
Yes....exactly the reason why unkowns often "FIT" the role more efficiently than the popular A-listers, there in lies infinite variety & choice when searching for properly fitting actors to suit a role.Johnny Depp would not work in my eyes personally, besides me not envisioning him as Tony Stark the audience would be looking at Johnny Depp and not Iron Man. This is the principle in which casting unknowns is based, the goal is to allow the audience to believe this character is alive & breathing. Someone with the status of Depp would distort the image of Iron Man we are made to believe is really there, regardless of any acting ability or appearance he may be equipped with.
That's exactly why Favreau is going with a relative unknown, but with some acting experience. He wants Iron Man to define the actor and not the other way around (ie. George Clooney's Batman, Ben Affleck's Daredevil, etc.)
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
That's exactly why Favreau is going with a relative unknown, but with some acting experience. He wants Iron Man to define the actor and not the other way around (ie. George Clooney's Batman, Ben Affleck's Daredevil, etc.)
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At last, another is watching this from the same angle as I. There is great talent to be found with unknowns, because as I said before there in lies a vast variety of actors & abilities to choose from.
Originally posted by Silverstein
well, when i watch Superman Returns, i see Brandon Routh. Not Superman. 🙄...
Not me.
I saw Superman.
Why? Because I didn't know who the hell Brandon Routh was.
That's why someone who is relatively unknown works so well as a character. (with the exception of Patrick Stewart; with his acting chops, he was perfect as Prof. X. Not once did I think of Capt. Picard when I saw the X-Men flicks.)
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
That's exactly why Favreau is going with a relative unknown, but with some acting experience. He wants Iron Man to define the actor and not the other way around (ie. George Clooney's Batman, Ben Affleck's Daredevil, etc.)
if Iron Man is a flop, then they actor would regret it wont he? afterall, that movie and the iron man character will define him. George Clooney and Ben Affleck dont fit lol.
I still wanna see Caviezel or possibly Depp play the part IF any hollywood actor should be chosen.
(random info: i heard Singer was going to cast Caviezel as Superman before his decision to cast an unknown.)
Originally posted by Silverstein
if Iron Man is a flop, then they actor would regret it wont he?
Of course. What actor doesn't regret being in a flop?
And casting a big name, A-List actor doesn't automatically make it a box office hit. Especially when the actor just doesn't fit the role.
Just because Johnny Depp is a hot name right now and can grow a goatee (a bad one at that) doesn't necessarily mean that he's perfect for the role of Tony Stark.
Originally posted by Silverstein
afterall, that movie and the iron man character will define him. George Clooney and Ben Affleck dont fit lol.
You completely missed my point.
Hugh Jackman was relatively unknown (to me anyway) when he was cast as Wolverine. I had no clue who the guy was. I wasn't like, "hey there's Hugh Jackman with Adamantium claws". Instead, I totally bought into the character because the name "Hugh Jackman" didn't have any significance to me.
When I saw "Batman and Robin", I didn't see the character of either Bruce Wayne or Batman.
I saw George Clooney instead.
I didn't say, "hey, there goes Batman". Instead, I saw George Clooney running around in a Batman costume.
Same deal with Daredevil and Affleck.
IMO, casting too big of a name tends to take away from the character that is being portrayed.
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Of course. What actor doesn't regret being in a flop?And casting a big name, A-List actor doesn't automatically make it a box office hit. Especially when the actor just doesn't fit the role.
Just because Johnny Depp is a hot name right now and can grow a goatee (a bad one at that) doesn't necessarily mean that he's perfect for the role of Tony Stark.
You completely missed my point.
Hugh Jackman was relatively unknown (to me anyway) when he was cast as Wolverine. I had no clue who the guy was. I wasn't like, "hey there's Hugh Jackman with Adamantium claws". Instead, I totally bought into the character because the name "Hugh Jackman" didn't have any significance to me.
When I saw "Batman and Robin", I didn't see the character of either Bruce Wayne or Batman.
I saw George Clooney instead.
I didn't say, "hey, there goes Batman". Instead, I saw George Clooney running around in a Batman costume.
Same deal with Daredevil and Affleck.
IMO, casting too big of a name tends to take away from the character that is being portrayed.
i didnt name Depp cuz i felt he was the 'hottest name' currently. I just felt that he was suitable for the role more than probably 80% of the other a list actors.
yeah, i didnt know hugh jackman either, or atleast most of the xmen cast except prof x, toad(darth maul haha), and some others...
Originally posted by Darth VegasReally? I saw Brandon Routh doing a subpar Christopher Reeve impression...
Not me.I saw Superman.
Why? Because I didn't know who the hell Brandon Routh was.
That's why someone who is relatively unknown works so well as a character. (with the exception of Patrick Stewart; with his acting chops, he was perfect as Prof. X. Not once did I think of Capt. Picard when I saw the X-Men flicks.)
This is the Google and Wikipedia age.
yeah, he DOES look like he's doing an impression of Christopher Reeve, but it might just be a coincidence. I've seen Brandon talk on tv a lot recently, and he has a similar speech pattern, eerily similar to Reeve. But Singer has been called a copycat for trying to copy the old Supe movies instead of making something modern
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Really? I saw Brandon Routh doing a subpar Christopher Reeve impression...
That's not what he meant....
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
You completely missed my point.Hugh Jackman was relatively unknown (to me anyway) when he was cast as Wolverine. I had no clue who the guy was. I wasn't like, "hey there's Hugh Jackman with Adamantium claws". Instead, I totally bought into the character because the name "Hugh Jackman" didn't have any significance to me.
Originally posted by Silverstein
i didnt name Depp cuz i felt he was the 'hottest name' currently. I just felt that he was suitable for the role more than probably 80% of the other a list actors.
See below:
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
IMO, casting too big of a name tends to take away from the character that is being portrayed.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Really? I saw Brandon Routh doing a subpar Christopher Reeve impression...This is the Google and Wikipedia age.
I didn't know who Brandon Routh was and up until Superman, I didn't care. And I certainly didn't care enough about him to Google him.
Yes, Routh had a lot of the same mannerisms as Christopher Reeve (Reeve portraying Clark Kent anyway). To me, Superman/Clark's onscreen incarnation was devised by Reeve, so seeing Routh immitating Reeve made Routh as Superman that much more believable.
A talented actor, with a good script and direction makes the portrayal believable. I don't see Charlize Theron in Monster I see Aileen Wuornos, Patrick Stewart became Xavier in X-Men, there aren't flashing lights in my head screaming Ian McKellen when I see Gandalf in LOTRs. Brandon Routh was still just a guy in a costume trying to emulate Christopher Reeve in SR.
An unknown is not necessary for a believable portrayal, nor does it guarantee one.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A talented actor, with a good script and direction makes the portrayal believable. I don't see Charlize Theron in Monster I see Aileen Wuornos, Patrick Stewart became Xavier in X-Men, there aren't flashing lights in my head screaming Ian McKellen when I see Gandalf in LOTRs. Brandon Routh was still just a guy in a costume trying to emulate Christopher Reeve in SR.An unknown is not necessary for a believable portrayal, nor does it guarantee one.
Of course casting an unknown doesn't necessarily guarantee a believable portrayal.
Obviously, the actor's talent has a huge part to do with it. Despite not being a household name when casted in X-Men, Jackman's considerable acting ability was a major factor in him pulling off the character of Wolverine.
I agree with you that a talented actor, with a good script and direction makes the portrayal believable.
This goes to show that Ben Affleck and George Clooney are not actors in the league of McKellan and Stewart.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A talented actor, with a good script and direction makes the portrayal believable. I don't see Charlize Theron in Monster I see Aileen Wuornos, Patrick Stewart became Xavier in X-Men, there aren't flashing lights in my head screaming Ian McKellen when I see Gandalf in LOTRs. Brandon Routh was still just a guy in a costume trying to emulate Christopher Reeve in SR.An unknown is not necessary for a believable portrayal, nor does it guarantee one.
Actually....
Originally posted by Praylu
I know exactly what you mean but as far as title roles, particularly Superman/Batman/etc. goes....