Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Apparently when I give a lint, I don't annoy everyone. 😉
Appearances can be deceiving.
Originally posted by Regret
So, in other words you think it is impossible to get there since it doesn't exist.
A more accurate way to state this is:
It has to exist, before you can get there.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes,.............it is.............an even a scripture says that "the spirit returns to god that gave it"...........we go back to where we came from...Why would a god create in order to distory????.........
My opinion is that there is a greater purpose than this life. Given that, those that can be used for that purpose are in heaven, those that are not are in "hell" or in other words the place that people go to when they don't continue to be viable for any other purpose, they are limited in their capability and so are not used further by God. Hell is merely a state at which you have shown the inability to become more, not an area of punishment.
Originally posted by Regret
My opinion is that there is a greater purpose than this life. Given that, those that can be used for that purpose are in heaven, those that are not are in "hell" or in other words the place that people go to when they don't continue to be viable for any other purpose, they are limited in their capability and so are not used further by God. Hell is merely a state at which you have shown the inability to become more, not an area of punishment.
I don't consider it a higher purpose to be "used." Purpose comes from the inside of man. Maybe you want to be a fingerpuppet,. But wouldn't your faith be a lot more credible if your motivation was not divine?
and we can turn the table on hell too. Hesse did it with the Mark of Cain in Demian. That mark is not evil, it is the sign of enlightenment. Maybe Hell is ascendancy, you are at the point where you are beyond god's power. It is the point where you have shown the ultimate power, to stand up in the face of a god and throw him down.
Maybe Heavan/Hell is a trick system to weed out the dogmatic narrowminded f_cks. And god really enjoys spending hsi time with athiest intellectuals in hell.
Erm, you guys are turning this into a comptelely different conversation. All I asked was your opinions on: "Is it hard to get into Heaven?" And your giving me responses, that challenge this belief. I don't care what religion you are, whatever you consider your "Heaven", do you think it's hard to get into... perhaps I should've been more clear?
Originally posted by ChakraStrings
Erm, you guys are turning this into a comptelely different conversation. All I asked was your opinions on: "Is it hard to get into Heaven?" And your giving me responses, that challenge this belief. I don't care what religion you are, whatever you consider your "Heaven", do you think it's hard to get into... perhaps I should've been more clear?
Erm...unfortuantely for you...this is not the Christian forum. Everyone here, including Christians, have different opinions on what heaven is if it is anything at all.
This is a discussion forum, not a Q&A forum. Questions would be better placed in the off topic forum.
Originally posted by ChakraStrings
Erm, you guys are turning this into a comptelely different conversation. All I asked was your opinions on: "Is it hard to get into Heaven?" And your giving me responses, that challenge this belief. I don't care what religion you are, whatever you consider your "Heaven", do you think it's hard to get into... perhaps I should've been more clear?
It would have been wise to base your question off something more than the strict Christian view of heaven. However, I think we've moved past that point.
Some people don't even maintain the concept as a place, or as actually existing at all, which is what we're seeing here. And for those that do take the issue seriously, I seriously doubt they are going about thinking "Wow, I really want to get into heaven, but it's just so hard. There's no way I'll ever make it." Instead people justify and rationalize their thoughts and actions, so that they fit into their own model of acceptability.
So, in the end, the question you're asking is trivial.
However, I think you missed the point of the responses you generated. We are sharing ourselves here. This is a forum, and I believe the point is to discuss.
Re: Re: Is Heaven Hard To Get Into?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
At least you concede that Heaven does in fact exist, now we can have a discussion. Thanks to Jesus it is not difficult to get into Heaven. Apart from Christ, it is not only difficult, but it is impossible to get into Heaven. That is why Jesus said that He is the Way...and that no one comes to the Father [who is in Heaven by the way] except through Him. Just put your trust in Jesus Christ and call on Him to save you from your sins because that is the only thing keeping you and everyone else out of Heaven. The sin problem must be dealt with. God is of purer eyes than to look upon sin. God and sin cannot coexist. Get your sins washed by the blood of Jesus and then you will be with Jesus in Paradise.[B]Philippians 1:23
For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.John 3:15-17, “…whoever believes in Him [Jesus Christ] should not perish but have eternal life.” “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son [Jesus Christ], that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” “For God did not send His Son [Jesus Christ] into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”
Put your faith in Jesus for salvation today. Why? Because...
John 10:9, “I [Jesus Christ] am the door . If anyone enters by Me, he {or she} will be saved….”[/ B]
God the Father made it quite simple to go to Heaven. God is not judging you neither is He condeming you. God the Father wants you to be saved and to be in His presence exploring the beauty and wonders that Heaven has to offer.
[B]John 12:47, “And if anyone hears My [Jesus Christ’s] words and does not believe, I [Jesus Christ] do not judge him [or her]; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.”[/ B]
Getting into Heaven is a difficult undertaking if you or anyone else is trying to do so on their own merit, worth, good deeds, works, self-righteousness, or effort. In this case, it cannot be done. You have to go through the Son Jesus to get to the Father (or Heaven).
[B]John 14:1-3, “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God [the Father], believe also in Me [Jesus Christ]. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. ”
Everyone is welcome and invited to Heaven. Just do what God the Father says (go back up to the top of this post).
John 14:6, “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father [God] except through Me.’”
Romans 10:8-11, “But what does it say? ‘The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart’ [that is, the word of faith which we preach]: That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:13, “‘For ‘whoever calls on the name of the Lord [Jesus Christ asking Him to save you from your sins] shall be saved. ’”
This is God the Father's personal guarantee to all who want to go to where He is when they die.
🙂 [/B]
It seems to me that these teaching talks about the world are divided into two: Pure(i.e. heaven, paradise) and Impure World(hell).
According to Buddhism, everything around us, including work and family relationships, is the reflection of our inner lives. Everything is perceived through the self and alters according to the individual's inner state of life or inner mind. Thus, if we change ourselves, our circumstances(or environment) will inevitably change also.
This is a liberating concept as it means that there is NO need to seek enlightenment/salvation outside ourselves or in a particular place. Wherever we are, in whatever circumstances, we can bring forth our innate reality, thus transforming our experience of our environment into " Pure land"--a joy-filled place where we create value for ourselves and for others.
As Buddhism elucidates this ultimate truth in our lives and which says " If the minds of the people are impure, their land is also impure, but if their minds are pure, so is their land. There are not two lands, pure and impure in themselves. The difference lies solely in the good or evil of our minds."
It also says, " The Way is not Heaven, it is from the heart"
Re: Is Heaven Hard To Get Into?
Originally posted by ChakraStrings
If you think about it, it is. Most people in modern society have killed, stolen, or broke the Ten Commandmants somehow. Does everyone go to church? No. Personnally, I think that getting into Heaven is a very hard thing to accomplish. What're your thoughts?
Actually it is not. You can touch heaven deep within your heart and when u open your eyes and see the world it is like--a "treasure too close to see."
Originally posted by ChakraStrings
That's a strange belief debbie, what makes you say that heaven and hell is right now? If that's true, then does that mean that we are indeed all ready in heaven and that getting into heaven is a useless process?
That is not a strange belief! It is a Buddhist concept. Life is not useless, at least mine isn't. What is strange to me is waisting your life waiting for something that will never come.