Do you have to believe in God to get into Heaven?

Started by Darth Kreiger10 pages
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Why is it aids and HIVs and other STDs are now here that haven't been around 30+ years ago?

New diseases come, another sign of Evolution actually, the Flu Virus becomes stronger every year you know? They have to keep making new Vaccines. And the Bird Flu seems like it could be the worst yet

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Adverage life span has been decreasing

Adam, Methuselah, and Noah aren' t exactly regarded as the norm.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Why is it aids and HIVs and other STDs are now here that haven't been around 30+ years ago?

Why do we not have the black death of measles or leprosy like we used to have?

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Why is it aids and HIVs and other STDs are now here that haven't been around 30+ years ago?
Ok dont see what that has to do with anything but diseases pop up all the time. Doesnt mean we shouldnt get some.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Dude, no it wasn't, only Kings or members of the Royal Family lived that long. 30 was the Average death age of normal people

Homo sapiens live on average 37 years in Zambia and on average 81 years in Japan. The oldest confirmed recorded age for any human is 122 years, though some people are reported to have lived longer. The following information is derived from the Encyclopædia Britannica, 1961:

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Adverage life span has been decreasing

Please show proof.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why do we not have the black death of measles or leprosy like we used to have?
Can u imagine if leprosy was an STD? shock

Let me break this down for you ESB

Let's say you get the Common Cold, you treat it with Medicine and Chicken Soup (mmmmm chicken soup...) it gets almost entirely wiped out, and our Immune System learns how to fight it, but the bit of Cold that survived also gets stronger, and it goes off, multiplying, until it infects another person, and the process continues

The Bible contains many accounts of long-lived humans, the oldest being Methuselah living to be 969 years old (Genesis 5:27). Today some maintain that the unusually high longevity of Biblical patriarchs are the result of an error in translation: lunar cycles were mistaken for the solar ones, and that the actual ages being described would have been 12.4 times less (a lunar cycle being 29.5 days). This makes Methuselah's age only 78, still an impressive number bearing in mind the average life expectancy at the time. This rationalization, however, seems doubtful too since patriarchs such as Mahalalel (ibid 5:15) and Enoch (ibid 5:21) were said to have become fathers after 65 "years". If the lunar cycle claim were accepted this would translate to an age of about 5 years and 3 months. One Christian apologist claim is that the life span of humans has changed; that originally man was to have everlasting life, but due to man's sin, God progressively shortened man's life in the "four falls of mankind" -- first to less than 1000 years, then to under 500, 200, and eventually 120 years. After those long living people died, God decided that humans would not be permitted to live more than 120 years (Genesis 6:3.) However, since later biblical figures such as Sarah lived for longer than that, 120 years should be considered the "usual" upper limit to man's lifespan. Some individuals can live slightly longer than that. Furthermore, starting with Calvin and Luther, an alternative explanation has arisen : 120 years would not refer to man's lifespan but to the amount of time left before the flood.

Originally posted by Black Rob
Ok dont see what that has to do with anything but diseases pop up all the time. Doesnt mean we shouldnt get some.

No; diseases pop out because of Sin. Why do HIV and STD come about? Why do the "Black Death" come about? Why did Yellow Fevor come about. Death is in the world because of Sin. Adam sinned in the Garden of Eve and now we all pay the price.

There is no one that has lived for a 1000 years 😆 😆 😆 or anymore than 130, the oldest man is what? 122? The Bible is a book, it can't really be proven true, especially with the lack of Knowledge Ancients had

Originally posted by ESB -1138
No; diseases pop out because of Sin. Why do HIV and STD come about? Why do the "Black Death" come about? Why did Yellow Fevor come about. Death is in the world because of Sin. Adam sinned in the Garden of Eve and now we all pay the price.

God is not a terrorist. By what logic, and by what right, does any human being arbitrarily declare that all this is a punishment meted out upon sinners by God?

Originally posted by ESB -1138
No; diseases pop out because of Sin. Why do HIV and STD come about? Why do the "Black Death" come about? Why did Yellow Fevor come about. Death is in the world because of Sin. Adam sinned in the Garden of Eve and now we all pay the price.

So wait, your Just God punishes all Humans for what Adam did?

Originally posted by ESB -1138
The Bible contains many accounts of long-lived humans, the oldest being Methuselah living to be 969 years old (Genesis 5:27). Today some maintain that the unusually high longevity of Biblical patriarchs are the result of an error in translation: lunar cycles were mistaken for the solar ones, and that the actual ages being described would have been 12.4 times less (a lunar cycle being 29.5 days). This makes Methuselah's age only 78, still an impressive number bearing in mind the average life expectancy at the time. This rationalization, however, seems doubtful too since patriarchs such as Mahalalel (ibid 5:15) and Enoch (ibid 5:21) were said to have become fathers after 65 "years". If the lunar cycle claim were accepted this would translate to an age of about 5 years and 3 months. One Christian apologist claim is that the life span of humans has changed; that originally man was to have everlasting life, but due to man's sin, God progressively shortened man's life in the "four falls of mankind" -- first to less than 1000 years, then to under 500, 200, and eventually 120 years. After those long living people died, God decided that humans would not be permitted to live more than 120 years (Genesis 6:3.) However, since later biblical figures such as Sarah lived for longer than that, 120 years should be considered the "usual" upper limit to man's lifespan. Some individuals can live slightly longer than that. Furthermore, starting with Calvin and Luther, an alternative explanation has arisen : 120 years would not refer to man's lifespan but to the amount of time left before the flood.

The bible is mythology and therefore not a good source for lifespan information.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
No; diseases pop out because of Sin. Why do HIV and STD come about? Why do the "Black Death" come about? Why did Yellow Fevor come about. Death is in the world because of Sin. Adam sinned in the Garden of Eve and now we all pay the price.
Once again doesnt support the idea of benovelence now does it?

Originally posted by Bardock42
First ban then ask questions.

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Originally posted by Storm
God is not a terrorist. By what logic, and by what right, does any human being arbitrarily declare that all this is a punishment meted out upon sinners by God?

What about "Sodom" and "Gammorah?"

Originally posted by Alliance
What about "Sodom" and "Gammorah?"
Yeah but they were gay! Ewww!

Some modern biblical scholars argue that a sin was attached to the story of Sodom to justify the destruction of the cities, which may be based on an authentic account of a natural cataclysm, possibly an earthquake in the region. The historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, with most believing they never existed.