Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
That's a tad insulting to life itself isn't it?
it's their life... their choice... if they don't like it, then they're free to do with it as they please...
i can't believe anyone would actually say its the easy way out... imagine actually killing yourself... imagine physically going through with it... that can't be easy...
Originally posted by pr1983Well, it certainly is the easiest way for them...or they wouldn't do it. For me it would be really, reallly hard, so I don't do it.
it's their life... their choice... if they don't like it, then they're free to do with it as they please...i can't believe anyone would actually say its the easy way out... imagine actually killing yourself... imagine physically going through with it... that can't be easy...
Nobody can justify it beside the person doing it, and since they are dead, it's left to those who are around to analyse it.
Yes, it's selfish and very unnecessary, but I do believe it's understandable. I don't think murder is excuseable, but if a man murders another man to save his child, as wrong as it is, I understand that action.
Same with suicide. Unless of course I feel the reason for doing it was pathetic, but then again, they obviously didn't.
As a friend said the other day, I don't get all this "Cry for help" stuff. If you genuinely do want to die, you can do it in ways that guarantee death.
-AC
Originally posted by pr1983
I said the alternative would be worse, not harder... 😬their life may suck, but its physically easier to go on with the same shit over and over... at least to me...
I said it would be harder if it was worse...
And yeah, it might be physically easier..but I think we are talking about mentally here.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I said it would be harder if it was worse...And yeah, it might be physically easier..but I think we are talking about mentally here.
K...
and mentally, sure... but what i mean is... imagine standing with a razor blade in one hand and a bare wrist in the other (so to speak), i think it takes an awful lot to actually go through with something like that... that one action alone probably stops people from killing themselves because they decide that its too hard and maybe they should give life another chance...
Originally posted by pr1983
K...and mentally, sure... but what i mean is... imagine standing with a razor blade in one hand and a bare wrist in the other (so to speak), i think it takes an awful lot to actually go through with something like that... that one action alone probably stops people from killing themselves because they decide that its too hard and maybe they should give life another chance...
Yeah in that case living their life would be easier, wouldn't it?
I think there's nothing wrong with suicide...I also don't think it is something great or extraordinary that necessarily has to be respected.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah in that case living their life would be easier, wouldn't it?I think there's nothing wrong with suicide...I also don't think it is something great or extraordinary that necessarily has to be respected.
I'd tend to agree with you there... i just get a bit steamed when people speak badly of people who've done it, thats all... 😬
I didn't mean you in particular, just to be clear... 😖
Hmmm. Theoretically I can't condemn a persons choice to commit suicide, though I wish they didn't have to feel like that, as so often there is no need for it to end in such a way. Problems can be overcome, things can get better. It is their choice, but it is unfortunate especially when it is particularly pointless.
The hardest part I see of it, is the result a suicide has on those who cared for the suicide "victim" - however it seems, in many cases, that the victim sometimes is in such a state of mind that they believe what they are doing is the best for all concerned - and I couldn't be mad at such a person. I have heard suicide described as a selfish act, and there are plenty of reasons why that might be true, but still it is surprising sometimes the number whose actions, in different circumstances, might be considered almost "noble" in conceptual terms
K...and mentally, sure... but what i mean is... imagine standing with a razor blade in one hand and a bare wrist in the other (so to speak), i think it takes an awful lot to actually go through with something like that... that one action alone probably stops people from killing themselves because they decide that its too hard and maybe they should give life another chance...
Depends on the means to the end. For people beyond their teens it is more common for alcohol of other substances the remove inhibition to be involved - one theory put forward that a teen or younger is less understanding, less fearful, while an adult has more difficulty facing death in a brutally sober fashion - to much thought, to much routine in life. Likewise the predominance of methods that prevent going back, that remove all choice once put into effect is more common the older the person is.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Depends on the means to the end. For people beyond their teens it is more common for alcohol of other substances the remove inhibition to be involved - one theory put forward that a teen or younger is less understanding, less fearful, while an adult has more difficulty facing death in a brutally sober fashion - to much thought, to much routine in life. Likewise the predominance of methods that prevent going back, that remove all choice once put into effect is more common the older the person is.
that can be true, but a teen is more likely to find a justification easily than an adult... when your a teen your priorities are different... things that seem so important when your 16 really don't matter by the time you hit your twenties...
Originally posted by pr1983
that can be true, but a teen is more likely to find a justification easily than an adult... when your a teen your priorities are different... things that seem so important when your 16 really don't matter by the time you hit your twenties...
To a degree that is true. Which can make it all the more saddening, as rarely is a problem so great that it can not be overcome.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Indeed, so while I am unable to say "No, it is wrong and evil etc" - I would urge any person contemplating it to seek advice and think very, very carefully before choosing such a course - as often when we take a good step back and look at ourselves, things are rarely truly and insurmountably dire.
I agree...
is suicide justifiable? justifiable is a matter of opinion. however i have often pondered whether or not the human race would blink out of existance if it operated on pure logic. if we had the logic to see our uselessness to everything besides ourselves, and we had no passion or delusion, the passion which drives us and the delusion which assures us that we all have a greater purpose....would we all just end up saying "**** it"? not out of depression, mind you, but sheer logic alone.