Thor/No Hammer vs Sasquatch & Thing

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thor may have nearly killed Thing and Hulk without the hammer, but didnt Cap almost behead his ass? I reckon we're talking about regular Thor minus warrior madness, odinpower, rkt etc.

If that was the case, why not make Sassy Tanaraq?

This fight is just plain normal Thor vs plain normal Sassy and Thing.

Thor didn't nearly kill hulk and thing, he killed them.

Cap seemed to be on the verge of beheading Thor (Thor wasn't fighting back because the baby was at risk) but then again, one has to ask, what has a better chance of being lopped off, Thor's neck or Cap's fingers? The reason this is relevant is because Cap was about to try and behead Thor using the edge of his shield, while propelling the shield with his hands on the opposite edge!

The Thor that killed Hulk and Thing at the same time was just regular Thor. There was no hammer, odinpower or "warrior madness" involved. Regular Thor with one arm.

So the question remains ... does the question of this thread refer to regular Thor with one arm (who killed Hulk and Thing) or regular Thor with two arms?

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Thor didn't nearly kill hulk and thing, he killed them.

Cap seemed to be on the verge of beheading Thor (Thor wasn't fighting back because the baby was at risk) but then again, one has to ask, what has a better chance of being lopped off, Thor's neck or Cap's fingers? The reason this is relevant is because Cap was about to try and behead Thor using the edge of his shield, while propelling the shield with his hands on the opposite edge!

🤨Thor wasnt fighting back? Didnt he take swings at Cap with his fist? Didnt he take swings at Cap with the hammer? Didnt he actually dent the hammer? Hows that not fighting back? Rugular Thor with one arm killed Thing and Hulk, but regular Thor with 2 can barely beat Cap.

And they didnt actually show the entire fight between Thor Thing and Hulk. Onc scene Thing and Hulk knock Thor and the next scene, Hulk is impaled and Thing is out.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
The Thor that killed Hulk and Thing at the same time was just regular Thor. There was no hammer, odinpower or "warrior madness" involved. Regular Thor with one arm.

Ummm....wasn't that King Thor actually?

Originally posted by jrodslam
🤨Thor wasnt fighting back? Didnt he take swings at Cap with his fist? Didnt he take swings at Cap with the hammer? Didnt he actually dent the hammer? Hows that not fighting back?

Your talking about a totally different fight in which Thor owned but spared the lives of Cap, Iron man, and the government. Though denting Caps shield was one of the greatest strength feats of all time.

The fight he's talking about is the fight where Thor started to hold back when Balder grabbed Magni(Thor's son) and threatened to kill him. Thor stopped and Cap took the advantage, thus knocking Thor over and putting him in position to be beheaded. Loki then killed Balder, Thor took hold of Cap and reduced him to a skeleton. Through this whole fight Thor had only one arm, and the odinforce was being blocked by a pantheon of skyfathers.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummm....wasn't that King Thor actually?

Read my post

Originally posted by jrodslam
[B]🤨Thor wasnt fighting back? Didnt he take swings at Cap with his fist? Didnt he take swings at Cap with the hammer? Didnt he actually dent the hammer? Hows that not fighting back?

You must have seen scans instead of reading the comic. Denting the shield with the hammer was a different comic altogether, completely unrelated.

In the comic where he killed hulk and thing he did not have the hammer and he did not damage the shield until he got back the odin-power, at which point the shield got pulverized by his eye beams.

Rugular Thor with one arm killed Thing and Hulk, but regular Thor with 2 can barely beat Cap.

He wasnt fighting Cap. Once the baby was safe he grabbed Cap and incinerated him.

And they didnt actually show the entire fight between Thor Thing and Hulk. Onc scene Thing and Hulk knock Thor and the next scene, Hulk is impaled and Thing is out.

Apparently the fight was so one-sided in favor of Thor it would have been a waste of space, or so the writers said. When Hulk and Thing knocked Thor off his feet and off the ledge, they were ambushing him and he was not in the least prepared.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Read my post

Yeah I'm going call PIS on that, as even when he had two arms Hulk alone has beaten him before.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummm....wasn't that King Thor actually?

Yes and no. It was Thor when he was king but when the power boost that comes with it (Odinpower) was not available to him for the reason mentioned by Soujaboy. Without the power boost, there is no difference between the Thor that killed the Hulk and Thing and regular Thor except that he was missing an arm and the hammer.

Yeah I'm not fully buying that, it did happen in the comics but Hulk alone has proven to be equally matched and at times greater h2h brute strength with Thor when he had both arms.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah I'm going call PIS on that, as even when he had two arms Hulk alone has beaten him before. Also all the incinerating blasts arn't even allowed in this battle anyways

Regular Thor has killed the hulk when he was willing to do so. The only times the hulk has "beaten" him is when he either ambushed him or Thor was holding back and Hulk resorted to using projectiles. In fact, in pitched battle, the hulk has never beaten Thor with his bare hands for any reason. He did not beat Thor in a test of strength either.

The incinerating eye blasts did not play a role in the deaths of Hulk and Thing because Thor was no longer capable of it at the time of the fight. Only later in the comic, after Hulk and Thing were already dead, did he regain that ability due to actions by Loki.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah I'm not fully buying that, it did happen in the comics but Hulk alone has proven to be equally matched and at times greater h2h brute strength with Thor when he had both arms.

Hulk has never overcome Thor with muscle power.

Thor had the power boost but not full access to it. That necklace wouldn't have been much a deterrant if he could've just ripped it off at any time which, IIRC, he did as soon as his son was safe. He was just biding his time.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Regular Thor has killed the hulk when he was willing to do so. The only times the hulk has "beaten" him is when he either ambushed him or Thor was holding back. In fact, in pitched battle, the hulk has never beaten Thor for any reason. He did not beat Thor in a test of strength either.

The incinerating eye blasts did not play a role in the deaths of Hulk and Thing because Thor was no longer capable of it at the time of the fight. Only later in the comic, after Hulk and Thing were already dead, did he regain that ability due to actions by Loki.

With one arm? when Thor has discarded the hammer to go toe to toe with the Hulk, Hulk has shown to have the advantage. I find that hard to believe one armed Thor could beat Hulk and Thing h2h as Hulk on multiple times has shown to give Thor a great challenge. Incineration blasts is one thing, but going at them h2h? I don't think so

Remember this bout is strictly hand to hand so no eye blasts or incineration as said in the first post.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Hulk has never overcome Thor with muscle power.

It's in the Hulk Respect Thread

Originally posted by King_Mungi
With one arm? when Thor has discarded the hammer to go toe to toe with the Hulk, Hulk has shown to have the advantage. I find that hard to believe one armed Thor could beat Hulk and Thing h2h as Hulk on multiple times has shown to give Thor a great challenge. Incineration blasts is one thing, but going at them h2h? I don't think so

Remember this bout is strictly hand to hand so no eye blasts or incineration as said in the first post.

How many characters has Thor ever killed who were so called his friends? well not many, and like the Surfer he often times holds back when on marvel earth.

In this instance Thor was mad in the head, and felt betrayed so he did what any king would do to those who defy them. He let loose and killed them.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
when Thor has discarded the hammer to go toe to toe with the Hulk, Hulk has shown to have the advantage.

Hulk did not have any advantage despite Thor holding back and constantly adjusting for fear of harming bystanders. The turning point of the fight you're talking about was when Hulk threw a train on Thor. It was at this point that the Hulk's advantage in durability and recovery gave him a significant edge as evidenced by Thor knocking him back into an explosion and when the Hulk emerged, Thor was still weak from the Hulk's crushing train toss, while the Hulk had alreay recovered fully.

However, in situations where Thor did not hold back his power, he has knocked around Hulk and characters more powerful than the Hulk.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
You must have seen scans instead of reading the comic. Denting the shield with the hammer was a different comic altogether, completely unrelated.

In the comic where he killed hulk and thing he did not have the hammer and he did not damage the shield until he got back the odin-power, at which point the shield got pulverized by his eye beams.

Wanst one King Thor and the other warrior madness or regular Thor? I understand that 2 were different occasions.

Whe Cap was gonna behead Thor, he didnt give Thor a chance to fight back. Plus Cap had him down and was gonna go for the killing blow if not distracted.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
He wasnt fighting Cap. Once the baby was safe he grabbed Cap and incinerated him.

Only cause Cap didnt give hit the chance to fight back.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Apparently the fight was so one-sided in favor of Thor it would have been a waste of space, or so the writers said. When Hulk and Thing knocked Thor off his feet and off the ledge, they were ambushing him and he was not in the least prepared.

How was the fight so one sided? It was an easy way for the writer to get them out the picture. Hulk dies by being impaled? Thing got beat to death? Thats just as bad as showing(or not showing rather) Wolverine cut Sabertooth into little pieces all over the place alledgedly killing him.

Originally posted by aliveinboston
Hulk has never overcome Thor with muscle power.

Wouldnt you consider this muscle power?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Wouldnt you consider this muscle power?

That's basically a surprise attack. Under similar circumstances Thor has beaten down Thanos! Yet Thor is not nearly as strong as Thanos is he?

Yup he was bleeding and still Thor was up! So? Did Hulk beat Thor in muscle power? not yet.