classic juggernaut v.s. gladiator /w/ uni-power

Originally posted by Apolloknight
And Juggernaut NEVER, I MEAN NEVER, EVER uses his shield, and its not PIS, but CIS, for instance, Juggernaut could of stopped Nimrods Sonics if he used his shield, but he didn't, CIS, its true. If Juggernaut used his shield like he should, Thor would be dead, The Avengers would be dead, Gladiator would be dead, The X-men would be dead etc, Hell 75% of earth would be dead, True story.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Its a comic book, I know certain things shouldn't be possible, such as a man traveling at the speed of light within earth atmosphere, it would literally tear everything apart, but its ok because its a comic.

And Juggernaut was picked up off the ground, and moved forward still in mid air with nothing beneath his feet but air, I cant explain how he did it, not even in the least, its magic, but most of all its a comic, anything is possible.

And Silver Surfer has admitted that if he were to move around earth at Lightspeed he would kill everyone. Another reason I prefer Marvel, but that's besides the point. Marvel is a bit better about it's imposibilities, though as all comics it has them.

I'd like to see this "Flying Juggs" bit though, or at least a link to the Respect thread/Whereever it is

And Juggernaut NEVER, I MEAN NEVER, EVER uses his shield, and its not PIS, but CIS, for instance, Juggernaut could of stopped Nimrods Sonics if he used his shield, but he didn't, CIS, its true. If Juggernaut used his shield like he should, Thor would be dead, The Avengers would be dead, Gladiator would be dead, The X-men would be dead etc, Hell 75% of earth would be dead, True story.

Sorry Apollo but I think you just shot yourself in the foot here:

Originally posted in The Rules Thread

No Mentioning Events of PIS

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

If Juggs not using his fields is CIS, then he still won't. IN that case Hulk would win as well as Glads, Thor, and several more I can't think of right now.

Originally posted by Accel
Not really. We've seen Thor can deactivate his shield and some other people can still utilize the weaknesses of BFR or telepathy, like Dr. Strange.

What to another dimension? And Thor had to use his hammer to negate some of Juggs magic, And Juggs was Still punking Thor around the City.

Normal BFR isn't going to work on Juggernaut, normal Glads doesn't have the Dimension BFR ability either, Uni-Glads is different, he has to many options not to lose, But, Juggernaut against Regular Glads, Juggernauts shield Trumps him, or the fact that Gladiator will never hurt him, and Juggernaut keeps coming back effects his confidence.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
What to another dimension? And Thor had to use his hammer to negate some of Juggs magic, And Juggs was Still punking Thor around the City.

Normal BFR isn't going to work on Juggernaut, normal Glads doesn't have the Dimension BFR ability either, Uni-Glads is different, he has to many options not to lose, But, Juggernaut against Regular Glads, Juggernauts shield Trumps him, or the fact that Gladiator will never hurt him, and Juggernaut keeps coming back effects his confidence.

Originally posted by Dalak
And Silver Surfer has admitted that if he were to move around earth at Lightspeed he would kill everyone. Another reason I prefer Marvel, but that's besides the point. Marvel is a bit better about it's imposibilities, though as all comics it has them.

I'd like to see this "Flying Juggs" bit though, or at least a link to the Respect thread/Whereever it is

Sorry Apollo but I think you just shot yourself in the foot here:

If Juggs not using his fields is CIS, then he still won't. IN that case Hulk would win as well as Glads, Thor, and several more I can't think of right now.

I have seen it somewhere, either on the net or here, Ill get it, oh and how did I shoot myself in the Foot, it is CIS that Juggernaut never uses his Shield!

Think about if he did, I mean really, not to many people would ever beat him ya know.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
What to another dimension? And Thor had to use his hammer to negate some of Juggs magic, And Juggs was Still punking Thor around the City.

Normal BFR isn't going to work on Juggernaut, normal Glads doesn't have the Dimension BFR ability either, Uni-Glads is different, he has to many options not to lose, But, Juggernaut against Regular Glads, Juggernauts shield Trumps him, or the fact that Gladiator will never hurt him, and Juggernaut keeps coming back effects his confidence.

I'm not referring to this fight, since I know that unless the Uni-power grants Gladiator telepathy, he won't win.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
thor negating juggernaut shield is bullshit since he has never uses it

He didnt negate his shield he canceled some of his magic, like when d'spyare poured the liqud metal on juggs.

juggernaut has only used his shield 2 times in uncanny x-men 13 he never used it other times
1 to get free of the ice cause he got frozen by iceman
2 to revert a 10 ton weight rolling barrel agains beast

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I have seen it somewhere, either on the net or here, Ill get it, oh and how did I shoot myself in the Foot, it is CIS that Juggernaut never uses his Shield!

Think about if he did, I mean really, not to many people would ever beat him ya know.

I'm glad that you repeated that his not using his shield is CIS, now please go back and read the the second paragraph in the Quote from the Rules Thread I made. I even took the trouble of italicizing the last line of it to show your how you shot yourself in the foot.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
juggernaut has only used his shield 2 times in uncanny x-men 13 he never used it other times
1 to get free of the ice cause he got frozen by iceman
2 to revert a 10 ton weight rolling barrel agains beast

So he's only used this force field 2x in his history?

This is not meant to be a smart-ass remark, because that's how I understand what you just posted.

plus thor, plus coming back from space........am I right?

Originally posted by Dalak
I'm glad that you repeated that his not using his shield is CIS, now please go back and read the the second paragraph in the Quote from the Rules Thread I made. I even took the trouble of italicizing the last line of it to show your how you shot yourself in the foot.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Umm, Juggernaut has to be pretty dumb not to use his shield when he's fighting the X-men.

"Duh, if only i would of kept my shield up Wolverine wouldnt of got my helmet off, Stupid me"

If you want to call it PIS then its fine, either way, my point still stands, If Juggernaut uses his shield, lets say, like Magneto does, Not to many people are going to stand against him.

Stalemate unless gladiator gains telepathy. Im not sure if this would work but im just throwing it out there. If gladiator tries to go toe to toe with Juggs and Juggs keeps laughing at his punches etc. like he always does to people, would gladiator get weaker after loosing confidence. Again im not sure about this but it could happen.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Umm, Juggernaut has to be pretty dumb not to use his shield when he's fighting the X-men.

"Duh, if only i would of kept my shield up Wolverine wouldnt of got my helmet off, Stupid me"

If you want to call it PIS then its fine, either way, my point still stands, If Juggernaut uses his shield, lets say, like Magneto does, Not to many people are going to stand against him.

Absorbing Man has to be dumb not to use his powers the way he can. I mean it took him YEARS sitting in a shield that he couldn't get through physically before he found out how to "Absorb Minds".

And look at Hydro Man. He could slaughter millions easily, and kill Spider Man if he wanted to, but he doesn't.

Super Skrull also is in this group, as are many others. Juggs is not alone in his CIS.

And going back on yourself and calling it PIS just to get past the rules isn't cool. You really did just shoot yourself in the foot.

And Yes, I'll agree that Juggs using his shield smartly is a beast, but that doesn't necessarily enter into these debates now.

Originally posted by TheDecider
Stalemate unless gladiator gains telepathy. Im not sure if this would work but im just throwing it out there. If gladiator tries to go toe to toe with Juggs and Juggs keeps laughing at his punches etc. like he always does to people, would gladiator get weaker after loosing confidence. Again im not sure about this but it could happen.

Sorry, but Gladiator x50 takes this.

Why would he take it? Strength cannot beat Classic Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Dalak
Absorbing Man has to be dumb not to use his powers the way he can. I mean it took him YEARS sitting in a shield that he couldn't get through physically before he found out how to "Absorb Minds".

And look at Hydro Man. He could slaughter millions easily, and kill Spider Man if he wanted to, but he doesn't.

Super Skrull also is in this group, as are many others. Juggs is not alone in his CIS.

And going back on yourself and calling it PIS just to get past the rules isn't cool. You really did just shoot yourself in the foot.

And Yes, I'll agree that Juggs using his shield smartly is a beast, but that doesn't necessarily enter into these debates now.

How did I shoot myself in the foot if I made my point and got you to agree with me, and how is Juggernaut not going to use his shield in these fights? I dont quite understand what you mean, there is no PIS/CIS/JOBBER AURAS, here, so, Juggernaut is going to be using his shield.

Simple as that.

Originally posted by Dalak
Sorry, but Gladiator x50 takes this.

I agree Uni-Glads takes this, normal Glads is a different story.

Originally posted by TheDecider
Why would he take it? Strength cannot beat Classic Juggernaut.

Cuz the Uni-Power makes Gladiator super happy and he does the happy dance and well, you know Juggernaut cannot handle that.

Good point gladiator 10/10