Franklin Richards (at full potential) vs Superman

Originally posted by UniOmni
Yeah, since the Millenium Giants are to Celestials, as what Apollo is to Superman.
Jun, there is no way the MG proved their equality to the celestials. They were unimpressive.
As a whole, the attempt was a failure, to fix an unloved by the whole kind of character.

Superman took down Imperiex??
I thought he just pushed him through a boomtube??
Must've got a different version. My book had it as a combined effort.

Superman did wrestle him.......Yeppers. But that means little.
I'm sure Superman could outmuscle Odin straightup.

Doesn't mean he has a chance in hell of beating him.

And unless Superman has beaten someone who make pocket universes as a child, or recreated forces of the universe, while nowhere near their full potential, i don't know what exactly you're trying to prove.......

Unless you want me to believe Superman can beat a Celestial?

Before he pushed him through a boomtube, he exploded him by punching him. 😉

Azmodel was mighty enough to conquer heaven until The Presence interviened, even Neron, who was seen walloping many of DC's highest end characters treated him with utmost respect and seemed more of an underling when in his company.

Anyways, I'm not defending that farther, you asked, I gave. Don't hate.

Originally posted by Juntai
He doesn't want to take on Superman in a mental battlefield, that's for sure. That's assuming Supes even lets him in.

Is he that powerful? I mean compared to Psi-Lord with Omega Level Telepathy...and whose skills are ridiculous?
At the end of the day with telepathy it comes down to the person who is more skilled. Psi-Lord has both skill and power.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
omega level mutant can exists as pure energy m I right?

That's part of the explanation of Omega level...infinite potential they're also suppose to become abstracts.

Originally posted by MattDay
lol i know they are pathetic to try and talk out of the fact superman got this due beat from his enormous speed advantage.. duh other wise i'd agree, but supes speed gets the win

Speed is really a non-factor here...as I've explained before. Franklin if he does have human durability at his full potential will get speed blitzed, his mind will linger just like Emma's and he'll confront Supes in an Astral Battle.

And the remark about him not wanting to take Superman on at the mental level..........This is EXACTLY why people don't like Superman.
Not because of his powers per se, but how once he does something, he automatically gets shot to(or near) the pinnacle peak of that category.
It shyts all over your other favorite characters in the process.

Originally posted by MattDay
lol i know they are pathetic to try and talk out of the fact superman got this due beat from his enormous speed advantage.. duh other wise i'd agree, but supes speed gets the win

which is so homo-erotic, I puke whenever I see the term spped-blitz. Franklins mind would linger after Supes first assault, then he would proceed to rape Clark over and over again will a diamond encrusted didlo for the rest of eternity. Superman fanboys make me sick.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
which is so homo-erotic, I puke whenever I see the term spped-blitz. Franklins mind would linger after Supes first assault, then he would proceed to rape Clark over and over again will a diamond encrusted didlo for the rest of eternity. Superman fanboys make me sick.

But to be honest full potential Franklin would be some sort of abstract like Phoenix...
That's Omega Level Telepathy and Reality Warping...

BTW Supes may be able to copy the powers but can he copy Franklins omega potential?

Originally posted by Juntai
Blah. It's clear you're just trying to knock him down a notch. The point is clear, and the proof is in the pudding so to speak...Superman rises to the occasion.

Before he pushed him through a boomtube, he exploded him by punching him. 😉

Azmodel was mighty enough to conquer heaven until The Presence interviened, even Neron, who was seen walloping many of DC's highest end characters treated him with utmost respect and seemed more of an underling when in his company.

Anyways, I'm not defending that farther, you asked, I gave. Don't hate.

Never denied that Superman rises to the occasion.

I was actually trying to defend Imperiex partly, cuz people are real quick to say he jobbed to Superman....
If you wanna take away his legit threat level by saying Superman beat him with punches, by all means do so.

And i know what Asmodel did when he took over heaven and Manhunter survived the onslaught.
I'm just saying that the wrestling feat has no standing when comparing Superman to full potential Richards.
Unless you are trying to say that for all his power, Richards will throw away his reality manipulation and decide to wrestle/grapple/punch Superman?
I just didn't see the point you were making with the Asmodel thing. He didn't fight Asmodel.
He grappled him.
Angels weren't made to be physically powerful.

And the fact that in JLA: Crisis of Conscience everybody in the JLA was telepathically taken over except Superman, tells me that i don't really wanna read a book where Superman is better against high level telepaths than other high level telepaths such as Jonn.
And where was the Rings protection for Hal against tp?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
which is so homo-erotic, I puke whenever I see the term spped-blitz. Franklins mind would linger after Supes first assault, then he would proceed to rape Clark over and over again will a diamond encrusted didlo for the rest of eternity. Superman fanboys make me sick.

cant believe a girl uses such harsh words, suck my balls little missy

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But to be honest full potential Franklin would be some sort of abstract like Phoenix...
That's Omega Level Telepathy and Reality Warping...

BTW Supes may be able to copy the powers but can he copy Franklins omega potential?

Franklin could rip him outta mental combat easily at full potential. Thats why its kinda useless debating someone as powerful as him. The best chance Superman has, is the speedblitz.

And Jun, do you honestly feel the Millenium Giants measured up to the Celestials??
I will always maintain that the Celestial analogue is the Promethian Giant.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not Kryptonite!!! OH NO., Supes hasn't dealt with kryptonite before! He didn't take on a planet devistating warship made of Kryptonite in his last arc! He didn't fight Superboy Prime standing in the remains of Krypton[kryptonite!] under a red sun! One of his rogues gallery isn't "The Kryptonite Man" and another isn't "Metallo" powered by Kryptonite.

And yet a kryptonite ring allows Batman to kick his ass 😛

Originally posted by UniOmni
Franklin could rip him outta mental combat easily at full potential. Thats why its kinda useless debating someone as powerful as him. The best chance Superman has, is the speedblitz.

And Jun, do you honestly feel the Millenium Giants measured up to the Celestials??
I will always maintain that the Celestial analogue is the Promethian Giant.

The Millenium Giants were the thousands of feet tall monstrosities in armor that came to judge the planet, and then deemed it unworth and decided to try to destroy everything and restart it. Sounds like some Celestials I know in the Marvel U.

Originally posted by Grimm22
And yet a kryptonite ring allows Batman to kick his ass 😛

Next time they confronted, Supes ran over and put bats in a coma before he could react.

Originally posted by Juntai
Really? I recall Supes not being in his right mind, and being completely unharmed, and Batman himself saying he couldn't stop Supes, NOTHING can. I can only stun him. Or maybe that's just my Hush issues playing tricks on me again.

Next time they confronted, Supes ran over and put bats in a coma before he could react.

Well thats how some people precive it as. 😛

Hope this is Superman Prime otherwise he´s wasted, I think even Prime would been teloported to the "corn field".

Originally posted by Juntai
But that train of thought could also go back to Superman being able to beat Celestials. Yuga Khan, one of the more powerful Promethians admitted Darkseid could kill him but wouldn't because it's his son. And we all know Supes has beaten Darkseid.

The Millenium Giants were the thousands of feet tall monstrosities in armor that came to judge the planet, and then deemed it unworth and decided to try to destroy everything and restart it. Sounds like some Celestials I know in the Marvel U.

But are you going to maintain that Superman legitly beat Darkseid??
Jun, i know you like Superman, but his beating Darky in both confrontations was shitty writing and i'd like to see you defend it.

And Khan said one thing, but showed another.
He embarrassed Darky and New Genesis.

And Apollo is based largely on Superman.
Still doesn't mean he's not vastly inferior in execution.

Heroes stopped the MG. Pantheons with Skyfathers banded to stop the Celestials. Big difference in power.
And the Celestials disregarded their efforts.
MGs were stopped by said heroes.

The MG's were failures as a whole. Big time.

Anyways, I'm not saying Supes would win, I never did.

It was asked who Supes has defeated in a specific range.
I stated several right off the top without even digging for them.

I made fun of the Kryptonite will take down Supes theory..

And I also believe I squashed the 'his body will die but he'll take over Supes from beyond" theory, in that Supes will power is easily enough to stop an encounter, and gave specific powers, skills taught to him, natural resistance and other measures.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But are you going to maintain that Superman legitly beat Darkseid??
Jun, i know you like Superman, but his beating Darky in both confrontations was shitty writing and i'd like to see you defend it.

And Khan said one thing, but showed another.
He embarrassed Darky and New Genesis.

And Apollo is based largely on Superman.
Still doesn't mean he's not vastly inferior in execution.

Heroes stopped the MG. Pantheons with Skyfathers banded to stop the Celestials. Big difference in power.
And the Celestials disregarded their efforts.
MGs were stopped by said heroes.

The MG's were failures as a whole. Big time.

Millenium giants were stopped by Superman Blue and Red merging together, then spending the entirety of his energy. The heros did nothing to them, they were flies to the Millenium Giants. Did you check the story out at all?
Needless to say, its not like there's not several skyfather on up beings in DC Earth, as opposed to Marvel Earth.

My money would be on Franklin Richards, personally.

I always find this whole "speed of thought vs. speedblitz" argument flawed because most characters we are dealing with aren't average humans with average reaction times and average durability. Karate Kid is human and thinks and reacts a lot faster than, say, Green Arrow, and both are merely highly trained humans without any form of augmentation.

Then you have someone like Lois Lane or Aunt May, "regular" run of the mill human.

Then you have someone like Magneto who can assemble advanced machinery in seconds using the power of his mind alone, or someone like Mad Jim Jaspers that can be reduced to a charred corpse and still react to rewrite the laws of a universe and keep himself alive using his reality warping powers.

I don't think Supes would beat Mad Jim Jaspers, and I don't think he would beat Franklin Richards who is supposed to be even more powerful than Jaspers.

Aquaman telepathically affected a MG.
They weren't as dominant as the Celestials.

Originally posted by Juntai
And I also believe I squashed the 'his body will die but he'll take over Supes from beyond" theory, in that Supes will power is easily enough to stop an encounter, and gave specific powers, skills taught to him, natural resistance and other measures.

Not really,

Omega Mutants are suppose to become abstracts..

Supes' will power over coming limitless telepathy from an abstract? He may be able to copy powers but can he copy potential? Supes powers are limited Franklin at full potential is not due to his omeganess.
Heck Jean with her Omeganess has bypassed many magical enchantments with her telepathy ie Juggernauts Helmet. Full potential Franklin in other words infinite potential Franklin would tear Supes' mental defences apart.