Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Gee Sama, he seemed to be on the offensive against Maul, or did he magically switch forms?
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Sorry for the dramatics, but yes, he did switch forms. In TPM, Obi-Wan used Ataru, Qui-Gon's form. After seeing his master die he switched to Soresu, the defensive form. Damn, you just completely owned yourself on that one. It's late, maybe that's the problem.
Yes,he did,and so did the others.
No; he did not. In fact, as I recall, Palpatine completely dominated all of their fights in Dark Empire, and the only time he lost to either was due to Leia's interference. Consider: DE Luke attempted to betray Palpatine, and kill all of his clones. Then what happened? Sidious WTFpwned him in that fight - and dominated the very next one. And then, suddenly, wham! Sidious gets his hand cut off.
Then, Luke nearly got pwned again when Sidious launched his Force Storm. Had it not been for Leia or Anakin, he would've been obliterated then and there.
Maul got his ass handed to him because of his arrogance and his cockiness,
He, like Sidious, dominated his fights with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, and only lost due to a stroke of luck on Obi-Wan's favor.
and Anakin because he got arrogant and cocky as well.
He didn't get his ass handed to him. He dominated the entire fight.
And Sidious did because he thought he could defeat Luke and thought he had him completely turned to the dark side.
What's next? Are you gonna tell me that Sidious got his ass handed to him by Vader in RotJ?
Maul didn't dominate the fight with Obiwan, notice how it was a pure stalemate until he used a force push on Obiwan to get the advantage. Obiwan repayed him with a force maneuver of his own. But in no way was it 1 sided at any time. Neither was the Anakin Obiwan fight. I don't see how you can sit there and say "Well these guys totally dominated but by a stroke of luck they lost". So you're saying Luke being Vader was luck, Sidious stalemating Yoda was luck, Mace beating Sidious was luck? Where do you draw the line between luck and a flat out win? I don't see any "luck" involved. Maybe stupidity, maybe arrogance, but definitely not luck.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Maul didn't dominate the fight with Obiwan,
Is that why throughout the entire fight he was beating the shit out of him and Qui-Gon at the same time?
notice how it was a pure stalemate until he used a force push on Obiwan to get the advantage. Obiwan repayed him with a force maneuver of his own. But in no way was it 1 sided at any time.
Actually, it was.
"But Darth Maul was the stronger of the two and was driven by a frenzy that surpassed even the frantic determination that fueled Obi-Wan. Eventually, the Sith Lord began to wear the young Jedi down. Bit by bit, he pressed him back, carrying the attack to him, looking to catch him off guard. Obi-Wan could sense his body weakening, and his fear of what it would mean if he, too, were to fall, began to grow. "
You were saying? That's from the TPM novelization, the script says the same thing as well (saying "DARTH MAUL seems to have the upper hand as OBI-WAN grows weary."😉
On paper, Darth Maul > TPM Obi-Wan. And, the only reason Maul got his saber cut in half, was because he was surprised that Obi-Wan would give into the Darkside (databank) and attack like a madman (TPM novel/movie).
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
wow, there was a whole novel written on that 1 fight? I saw obiwan take control of the fight and Maul use a force push to take control back, that's all.
Yes, there was. I saw Kenobi getting his ass handed to him, and then only surprising Maul, in which Maul regained control (script and novel), and Maul had to overpower Kenobi in the saber lock to Force push him. Our views differ, but mine is supported by canon material, not purely perspective.
Anyways, as for the actual point, are you saying beating someone isn't luck if that someone can beat you on paper, and is definitely your superior?
DifIn terms of difficulty, he'd only have a problem with 2. Sidious' knowledge and power would prove a match for Luke's raw strength. I would say Luke wins 6/10 but again, Palpatine has a very good chance. He dies horribly in 1 and 3, though. And to the people who say Luke bested Sidious in DE, he got WTFpwned againa nd again. Also, a Force Storm can be used in small areas and it can vary in size. Hell, maybe he could teleport Luke into a star.
aren't the intsakills only on regular people? I thought i heard somewhere that the intsakill is so instant on force users, especially uber powerful force users, ie NJO Luke.
And due to OB1 saying in the OT, "in my experience, theres no such thing as luck.", GL stated that he wanted OB1 to appear lucky, and win fights out of luck...
He was LUCKY that maul didnt cut his hands off while hanging there, he was LUCKY when falling thru Corresant that Anakin saved him with the speeder, he was LUCKY that he wasnt just killed on Geonosis, by Dooku, or those bastards that live there (as opposed to being tied to a pillar), he was LUCKY Anakin saved him on the Invisible Hand, (and the other 9 times he saved OB1's "skin"😉 He was LUCKY there was a blaster sitting there for him to shoot GG with, he was LUCKY that Palps didnt get Mustafar earlier, and he was WAY LUCKY that Anakin happened to make a dumbass choice to make a dumbass jump right over him.
Anakin was backing him up the entire fight and showed no signs of slowing down. When they were lava surfing, you could see OB1 taking time to catch his breath from being exhausted, and Anakin still looked like he had plenty of energy...and thats with a style thats more aggressive then just blocking and parrying, and uses more energy, and Anakin was still on top. He just made a bad choice that cost him 2 legs and an arm. Up to that point, Anakin was...handing him his ass.
Originally posted by Advent
LOL! ROFLCOPTER! LMFAO! LAWLZORZ!Sorry for the dramatics, but [b]yes
, he did switch forms. In TPM, Obi-Wan used Ataru, Qui-Gon's form. After seeing his master die he switched to Soresu, the defensive form. Damn, you just completely owned yourself on that one. It's late, maybe that's the problem. [/B]
Well said, Advent. 😉