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Ok then, don't read my posts. I always thought, at least from what you said, that you enjoyed actually debating, but from your responses it seems that that isn't the case.

I post rebuttals to your posts, and you refuse to read my posts AND the links in them. You then proceed to write four paragraphs all saying that I've been brainwashed, I'm ignorant, that I ramble on and on (lol?), and that you won't bother debating anymore. You then simply deduce that my posts are nonsense and that you've "proven me wrong," yet you refuse to read my posts and the links I provide.

And of course, you criticize others for not reading entire novels you suggest? You call people out for THAT, when you won't glance over a damn internet article?

That's actually pretty funny Parker. You argue, then when a counter-point is made, you refuse to read it and say it's all government bullcrap. Great debating skills there, champ. Really shows what kind of guy you are.

Oh, and I'll paraphrase every single post you've made:

J you're ignorant. I refuse to read anything you post, and I find it funny that you attempt to make me read them. However, I fully expect you to read every single one of my posts, read the novels I suggest, and subscribe to the magazines I suggest. Also, you Kharma and XYZ are ignorant, brainwashed slaves of the government 🙄I won't argue with you anymore, simply because in my own mind I've proven you wrong and I refuse to read or accept any of the counter-points you've made 😂

I'd say that sums up about, oh, 85% of your posts. You know what, just for you guys, I'll paraphrase the remaining 15% of your posts:

Right on (insert either Deano, Nuclear, or another conspiracy theorist here). People like XYZ J and Kharma will never believe this though, as they've been brainwashed 🙄

Of course, please take into account the fact I can't type like you even if I wanted to. It makes my brain hurt, to type like a 6-year-old.

Well, since you have basically refused to debate over this topic since it first came up, and simply refuse to read any counter points made, I'd say I'm done wasting my time here.

It was very enjoyable tearing you apart in front of everyone on these forums, Parker. Maybe I'll get to do it again in the near future.

have fun talking to yourself,Im done with you.

Its funny because in reality Mr.Parker is the one who is brainwashed but of course it is me and every one else who chooses not to blindly accept the things he believes to be true.

okay for the 9-11 apologists that have come on here recently to join in with J,I will put this in simple terms for you to understand instead of a long paragraph this time that even kids can understand to know that there indeed were bombs that were set off that contradicts the official version.short,sweet and to the point. it does not matter the B.S that J posted which I am sure you all want to worship as the truth.

What DOES matter that proves that bombs were set off in the towers in the 9-11 commission coverup which is exactly what it needs to be called is that the smoking gun in this case that bombs went off is that Willie rodriguez -a janitor there,was in the basement at that time and heard and SAW explosions below in the basement going off BEFORE the plane first hit the towers and helped a burning man out of the basement from the elevators,many witnesses wintnessed that,that is corroborated by OTHER witnesses in the building that survived that told the same story as well.He went to the 9-11 commission COVERUP meeting and behind closed doors, gave his testimony.They ignored him and the other witnesses who said they saw and heard explosions below before the plane hit because it did not fit their official version that they wanted to shove down peoples throats that you all blindly swallowed and believed.

Survivors have gone to 9-11 conferences around the country and told how the media wont print their story and that they have had death threats to their familys to shut up.Rodriguez when he tells the media here inthe states,they blow him off,they dont want to hear it because it doesnt go along with their official version.He is frustrated by that. He will go overseas and the media there WILL broadcast his story.the governmet lies and commits autrocitys all the time that rival the third reichs,especially the CIA.Obviously the government is lying to you,you guys fell for it and blindly ate it up, and were taken to school just now that bombs went off in the buildings.period,end of story.

there since I made it short and sweet for you this time to the point,you can go home and be proud that you learned something,that you have been brainwashed by the media.just accept it that you were brainwashed by the media and stop being afraid of the truth that this happened.nothing wrong with admitting you were brainwashed and lied to.Heck they had me brainwashed for years about the kennedy assaasination.again,you have been educated on this and been proven that bombs went off.you can either do the smart thing and study up on this and do a google search of "willie rodriguez and 9-11' and tell all your friends bombs went off in the towers and you were brainwashed by the media,or continue to be afraid,ignore that fact and keep on being blind sheep for the government.its your choice. class dismissed. 😛 😄 😄

And Jones, whose 42 page report has been used over and over by conspiracy theorists everywhere?

If I missed anything please let me know. [/B][/QUOTE]

first sentence,You missed it that you have been proven wrong that bombs did not go off in the basement by my last post.that they indeed were planted. 😆

second sentence.
conspiracy theorist? your hysterical as always. 😆 the only conspiracy theorists here are you.kharma dog and mcgee..you guys have this conspiracy THEORY that Osama Bin Laden and muslims did it with no evidence to back it up on except for your government plant sites that you fall for.. 😆 😆 oh by the way,if you ever bothered to subscribe to american free press,media bypass and other news organizations that print REAL news-just do a google search of them and you can find out how to subscribe from them,you would know those people you mentioned have governnment contracts and are government employed.but of course you dont want to know the truth about that so you wont subscribe of course.

oh and jones isnt a conspiracy theorist,he is a truth seeker,thats something the government labels people who are patriots who wont allow them to be brainwashed by their lies. 🙄 the people who accept the offical version,are the conspiracy theorists. 😆

You really are some thing else, I hope you seek help soon. Answer me this very simple question. You say bombs where set off in the basement then why the hell did the buildings topple from the top down? I have no idea why I'm asking you this because no doubt you will come in here with your wall of text, claiming we are all brainwashed and of course the "proof" accompanied by 10 or 20 smilies.

Oh crap I just read all of what you wrote and wow! A janitor says he heard explosions so it must be a conspiracy!!! 😆 your crazy man.

I know I said i wasnt going to bother with you anymore and I know I am going to regret not following through on that but I had to come back and post this stuff to show that I dont selectively read parts of posts like yourself and address these points AGAIN for you because I just got done talking to that friend of mine who is a construction worker and after now listening to him,he brought so many points up that shoot down those laughable theorys of yours.this in regard to your link to that disinformation site-debunking 9-11.
I got to admit J,this site that you blindly fell for is cleverly written,so cleverly written that it does make someone like me think for a minute because those are some theorys I had never heard of before.Reminds me of the book "case closed" which endorses the warren commission that lee harvey oswald killed kennedy.that book is cleverly written just like that link you posted is.that book after the first 50 pages or so had me going, believeing that all my years of research that the government was behind it all was not true,and started saying to myself-maybe its not a conspiracy,maybe oswalld really DID do it.But then after the first 50 pages or so, he came up with so many outright lies that have been proven to be just that-lies that were so pitiful, I knew it was garbage just like the warren commission.
anyways the point I am making is i cant fault you for allowing you to be brainwashed by those lies they posted,I got to admit,they are very cleverly written.I just know they are lies because from all my research over the years I have done into the kennedy assaassination that I knew better to not to fall for them like you did.I know how the media brainwashes people like you all the time and how they put in government plants like that all the time for people like you to fall for from my extensive years of research into the kennedy assassination.
I know I said I wouldnt listen to my friend again till I heard other people at conventions say the same thing but he is by far more knowledgeable about this than not only me,but you and me both put together so i WILL listen to him anyday of the year over you because YOU listen to disinformation and lies where this guy has done hundreds of hours of research on this topic.
anyways,enough of THAT.to get on with your posts here AGAIN which I know you will come back with some absurd crazy explanation again from some government plant site as always.you first point that Aluminum can damage steel.Well you are HALFWAY right about that so I wont say your wrong there.Yes it CAN damage steel but not to the point that your talking about. 😉 yes Ice is weaker than steel but thats comparing apples to oranges,some HUGE crater of Ice you run into it at a fast speed,of course is going to damage a ship.now ifs its just a real small piece,you run over,of course it wont damage it,but again,your comparing apples to oranges.
AGAIN your wrong,500 mph is NOT enough force to damage.especially the trade towers.AGAIN you ignore what the designers said in 93 that they were OVERDESIGNED to withstand MULTIPLE hits from jet airliners. 🙄 you CONSTANTLY ignore that fact.and you constantly ignore the names of the people I mentioned that you asked for that said they bult the towers in mind and ANTICIPATED all of that happening.that one of them back there -whos name I mentioned for you,said you would have some fires and it would kill some people but the towers themselves would remain standing.

as far as that link you posted about freefall speed? that link is a joke because that stuff they show in those pics is debris from the towers exploding out,they cleverly only show a pic of the building,but what they DONT show you -which I noticed myself-not my friend-is that they DONT show you the tape where it shows the building collapsing.I have seen the tape and they time it falling at freefall speed.you always ignore that the reason there is a controvery over this is because many demolition experts over the country,were bothered by the way it collapsed and knew that building should never have fallen straight down.I will take the word of demolition experts I have met anyday of the year over these government plants you fall for.enough said on that aspect.

No just by looking at those pics,if you were ever a construction engineer and worked on steel high rises you would know this like he does,I now can see that those columns and girders are NOT heavily severed or damaged.there is only ONE in that picture as plain as daylight as you can see,which is heavily severed and damaaged.ALL THE OTHERS are standing up and intact.ONE steel girder column is NOT damage to make it fall.you just need to stop listening to that nonsense you keep falling for.and AGAIN,a mere fire from the collapse of a building that had fire hosed on it for hours on end for several days to put out the fires,is NOT going to be STILL burning 3 weeks later for god sakes!!!! use some common sense and logic for a change.jesus christ.

this site that you blindly worship and fall for,is doing nothing but shootiong itself in the foot EVERYTIME.this is all easily-well not easily because it IS cleverly written to fool people like you who dont want to know the truth,but it is easily debunkable to experts in the field who have debunked that theory of the governments countless of times before.
well again i cant fault you for falling for those lies and disinformation on that letter you mentioned from that professor at BYU.That guy is a complete liar that they got to or was paid off because he is full of $hit.He says that jet fuel burns steel at 1800 degrees-he says that because its a fact that jet fuel burns at 1800 degress where its a known fact that steel has to be burned at 2700 degrees at a controlled temperature for hours before it can melt.those fires were not controlled temperatures on the steel and not hot enough to melt or weaken it long enough to have any kind of weakening effect on it or to cause any kind of uneven temperaures is ANOTHER one that they always come up with all the time.like i said,their storys are always changing because their lies that the experts have countered.
as usual,your full of b.s because those photos that you are going by,the photos CLEARLY show that only ONE girder columm was severely damaged and severed,that all the other ones are still intact.That ONE girder that WAS damaged there,was obviously hit by the full impact of the jet airliner.and AGAIN,ONE girder being severely damaged is NOT enough to weaken and make a building collapse. 😆 use logic and common sense for a change.
also,my former construction friend, who retired a couple years ago and worked onsteel towers and buildings for YEARS,also tells me that aluminum cant tear apart steel.it will wrap around it and the aluminum plane will for sure get shreaded to pieces and torn apart by the steel,but the aluminum jet is NOT going to severly damage the steel to the point that your talking about.its NOT going to heat up one ONE side of the building and then fall inwards and make the builind collapse in a down spiral manner in which those buildings fall. 🙄 thats just logic and common sense that the side it burns at,it is going to tilt on that side-which one of the towers DID before it collapsed,and the top portion -where it was damaged the most,is going to collapse SIDEWAYS which is what the top started to do in the south tower before a puff of smoke imploded it and caused it to come down.those are facts you dont want to accept.the buildings DID fall at freefall speed as I pointed out to you-thats all provable by just watching the video 😆 and a mere fire of a building is NOT going to fall in the same freefall speed as a demolition for god sakes!!!!!! 😆 your hysterical that you blindly eat up that crap.I have ALWAYS said that to you from day one. 😛

its not going to tear up one side of the building and fall straight down,use some logic and common snse i got to keep repeating to you.
The thing you posted about Leslie Robertson the lead engineer where he was on the nova series of PBS called WHY THE TOWERS FELL? which by the way is government funded by the way, I have always known THAT to be a fact even way before 9-11 just so you know,that site goes on to qoute him saying that he said the fires shreadded off all the fire proofing of the towers.well here is an example how your in denail all the time-I have seen that tape by the way where he says that and I told you back on that other thread,he is the ONLY engineer who has gone on record-at least that I know of,saying that they could not have anticipated the fireproofing coming off because of the towers causing the steel girders to weaken.well as I pointed out back there,but you only selectively read PARTS of posts so you obviously missed it,he is the ONLy known engineer to go on record and say that,where all the others ones WAY BEFORE 9-11,have said it could take MULTIPLE hits from jet airliners and was designed that way,that they anticipated all of that,the OTHERS who again I gave you all those names back there,have all said the opposite of Robertson.and as i pointed out to you back there,Robertson only said that AFTER 9-11.back in 93 when it was bombed before,his statements back then,were the towers would remain standing,that there would be some damage to the builings and some fires and a lot of people would be killed,but the strucure itself would remain standing.AGAIN they designed it so it could take MULTIPLE hits from aircraft I have to keep repeating to you because you cant admit your wrong. 🙄
there, that address all of THOSE laughable points you make.again I will say that I wont fault you TOO much for falling for thise lies and disinformation,because that site IS cleverly written to make people like you fall for it.

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
So any site that contradicts what you believe is planted by the government? Ok.

I'm really not sure why you had to make three seperate and incredibly hard to read posts all saying the same thing. Let me sum up your posts in a few sentences to spare the rest of us:

Yawn. Seriously, cut the word count down in your posts. That, or at least space them out and use some damn punctuation. You do know that there is a space after a period, right?

I certainly hope that you don't expect me to read books and subscribe to crackpot magazines when you won't spend the time to read a short online article simply because you KNOW it provides a more realistic scenario.

Well, that makes two of us then. How can you possibly criticize someone for not reading up on the other side of the argument when you don't do it yourself? And of all people, Parker, you commenting on me supposedly only reading parts of your posts is utterly hilarious. You do the exact same thing in almost every single reply of yours. Either you ignore it, or you dismiss it as government propoganda. Not only are you obnoxious and arrogant in your posting, but you're also a hypocrite.

Indeed. And you passed it off as if it was the word of God himself; you were so sure of what your "friend" said and believed. THAT is ignorance, Parker. The day you realize that is the day you realize how irrational you are.

And it's funny, Parker, that when I actually provide links and common sense to refute your arguments, you dismiss them as "crap" and refuse to read them. You then go on and on about how you proved me wrong, when I posted a rebuttal to most if not all of your points, uncluding the words of well-known and respected engineers.

Your posts sound more and more like someone who doesn't want to believe they've been proven wrong. Is that the case here, Parker?

Okay I PROMISE this is going to be my last post to you on this and not look at whatever you have to post in your reply-unless its to say of course-wow,good points,I overlooked a lot of that stuff and wasnt aware off any of that,yeah your right.bombs obviously DID go off.if your mature enough to say something like THAT ,which I can ask a friend of mine to read for me and ask if thats what you say to see if its worth reading or not,yeah if your actually mature enough to admit that you have finally been proven wrong,then I will read it.But if you go back so to some bullcrap nonse like that B.S site and blindly defend it again as always,well don't expect me to read it.

yeah YOU don't know anything about government and how they operate so yeah a site like that,is obviously a government plant.But then again,since unlike you,i can admit it when i am wrong about things,maybe it was just made by someone is ignorant and brainwashed by all this like you have been.THATS possible as well.if you knew anything about how the government operates,you would know that this is something thats not above them at all.

Actually as i just pointed out to you in my last post,I DID finally get around to reading that crackpot site of yours with the online review and I just took you to school just now how its all B.S. as usual. 😆 Realistic scenario my ass. 😆 Like i said,its very cleverly written for someone like you afraid of the truth to fall for,they very cleverly twist the facts and leave out the vital important information such as Robertson said BEFORE 9-11,they the towers would still be standing,that there would be some fires and a lot of people killed,but the structure itself would STILL remain standing.they conveniently leave out THOSE facts.But you don't care,because it doesnt fit YOUR version. spare the rest of us? this is just between you and me kid.nobody else,so none of this the rest of us crap.

See I DID finally read all that B.S that site talks about.It took me a long time to have to sit through it because its so nauseating and full of lies its a disgusting sick joke. 😘 so since I DID sit through all that crap,now its YOUR turn to read those books and magazines.gotcha.got news for ya kid,not only is that site a crackpot site, but so is the mainstream newspapers and news which you read all the time and listen to. 😆
reality checkhere.

well I just DID do it now so you cant claim I do that now. 😄 Like i said,I didnt want to read through it all at first because its full of such lies and disinformation like I knew it would be,its nauseatingto have to look at.I have addressed every one of your posts now so you cant say that anymore.AGAIN if you knew anything about the government you would know the mainstream press IS propaganda by the government and government agents do stuff like that all time,that site may not be one,like i said,it MAY just be from somebody brainwashed by the government like you,one of the two.either way,you have been proven wrong as always with the help of my friend of course.I didnt do it alone,got to give him credit for it.LOL.

No the day YOU start reading those books I mentioned and subscibe to those magazines I listed and STOP being afraid fo the truth,is the day YOU realize how irrational you have been in all this.no he is amuch better source of information to listen to because he has worked on towers before and knows all about steel,YOU havent.Those pics you showed of those steel girders proved how hilarious your logic is. 😆 those girders are like at least 6 feet thick.common sense and logic will tell you aluminum slamming into STEEL girders,that aluminum will wrap around steel and cause lots of damage to the plane,but it wont weaken the steel hardly at all like it didnt. 😆 well thats makes 2 of us who are arrogant and obnoxious in their postings then.at first you were reasonable and logical in your posts on that 9-11 thread,but after I proved you wrong back there and you came on this thread calling me out and you refused to admit the obvious,that you were proven wrong,you got to be extremely annoying with your desperate attempts to try and prove me wrong forcing me to repeat to you,that all that stuff doesnt matter,that what DOES matter and is the smoking gun is the testimony of willie rodriguez which proves this story that explosives werent used,to be complete B.S.

the fact that you keep ignoring that and that witnesses have gove to conventions saying that their familys lives have been threatened or the meida has ignored them and twisted their words is arrogant as hell on your part.you dont want to hear that cause your so damn afraid of the truth.

None of that you have posted proves anything.In fact as i said,that BYU professor is lying his ass off.He said that jet fuel can burn steel at 1800 degrees.take a science class sometime,you would know he is laying his ass off.The independent experts who havent been bought off,wil tell you it has to be at 2700 degrees.Obviously you dont know how the government works and how they either threaten or buy off people to lie.Just like the ONE engineer Robertson,they got to him to say AFTER 9-11.that he dsaid the OPPOSITE before 9-11 back in 93.

that site is laughable most because it trys to disprove willie rodriguez saying the jets hit the towers and then the jet fuel came down the basement stairs and thats what caused the explosion. 😆 They are so full of $hit its pitiful that you fell for that crap because AGAIN,he said the explosions in the basement in the ground floor went off BEFORE the plane hit the towers above,he worked there for 20 years so he knows the sounds from above and below.YOU want to ignore all that about rodriguez,how the media here blacks out everything he says though because the truth scares you so much though and you dont want to hear it how witnesses have said they have been threatened by authoritys to shut up.you innore all that which proves bombs went off,so theres no sense in me wasting my time with you unless your rady to admit the truth you have been proven wrong ,that bombs went off of course.otherwise Im done with you on 9-11 and trying to reason with you getting you to read thse books and having to repeat the same damn thing to you over and over again about rodriguez which you conviently ignore everytime or listen to that propaganda from that site on what they sprewed up lies about him is all you will do when you DO dwelve into him.

I will put this really short and sweet and to the point for you J.you want to know the truth about 9-11,read these books you can easily find at the library-Towers Of Deception,the media cover up of 9-11.9-11 The new pearl harbour,disturbing questions about the bush administration.9-11,omissions and distortions.Inside Job.but finally the best of them all that addresses things like that lnik you posted-

Debunking 9-11 Debunking,an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official version.it shreads to pieces those laughable theorys and false statements you made."I" finally did YOU the courtesy of reading that short online article you asked me to even though I knew it would be bullcrap and was so disgusting because of all the outright lies and disinformation it told.Since "I" did that favor for you,then YOU should return the favor and at LEAST read DEBUNKING 9-11 DEBUNKING,an answer to popular mechanics and other defenders of the official version.you DONT read it,it just proves again,your afraid of the truth.until you at LEAST read that last book and tell me you have,Im done with you on this topic.

oh if mcgee or another one you 9-11 apologists is reading this,please pm J for me to make sure he at LEAST reads THIS post if not the other two which counters link to that disinforamtion site.

Why would they need to PM me? I'm not the one refusing to read others posts because I disagree with them.

And yeah, I'm suuure you read the articles. Care to give me some details as proof? All you said was that they were "disgusting" and "full of lies"; you did not mention any specific points of the articles or anything.

well because I thought you might not read these last two posts with long paragrahs in them since they are such long posts and so far it sounds like you havent.

Like i just said,I DID read r through that link to that site you posted and disproved you once again in them by addressing all the stuff you said in these last two posts with long paragraphs.your full of it as usual,thats NOT all I said,I posted many stuff there that proved you shot yourself in the foot by referring me to that site because those pics clearly show those girder columns were NOT severely damaged at all.that only ONE of them was.the others are very much intact and not at all damaged.ONE badly damaged girder is NOT enough to bring it down I have to freaking keep telling you.also I am not going to continue with you if your going to constantly ignore my point that NONE OF THAT MATTERS,what DOES matter is the testimony of willie Rodriguez,who for the hundreth freaking damn time,heard and SAW EXPLOSIONS in the basement seconds BEFORE the plane hit which proves bombs went off,you CONSTANTLY ignore that fact though and want to talk about girders and crap like that though.

Why would they need to PM me? I'm not the one refusing to read others posts because I disagree with them.

And yeah, I'm suuure you read the articles. Care to give me some details as proof? All you said was that they were "disgusting" and "full of lies"; you did not mention any specific points of the articles or anything.

Those pics you showed of those steel girders proved how hilarious your logic is. laughing those girders are like at least 6 feet thick.common sense and logic will tell you aluminum slamming into STEEL girders,that aluminum will wrap around steel and cause lots of damage to the plane,but it wont weaken the steel hardly at all like it didnt.

Wow, if those pictures make MY logic look flawed, I can't even imagine what you must have thought about your own. It's plainly obvious that the steel girders are severely damaged and sometimes severed completely where the plane impacted. By your logic, the plane should have bounced off the tower with no damage done at all.

well thats makes 2 of us who are arrogant and obnoxious in their postings then.at first you were reasonable and logical in your posts on that 9-11 thread,but after I proved you wrong back there and you came on this thread calling me out and you refused to admit the obvious,that you were proven wrong,you got to be extremely annoying with your desperate attempts to try and prove me wrong forcing me to repeat to you,that all that stuff doesnt matter,that what DOES matter and is the smoking gun is the testimony of willie rodriguez which proves this story that explosives werent used,to be complete B.S.

And yeah, I'm the annoying one. Definitely.

The testimony of Willie Rodriguez really does mean nothing, Parker. One witness' statement among hundreds of thousands is far from a "smoking gun." The fact that you call his testimony and the beliefs of the vast minority here a "smoking gun" pretty much proves how flimsy your evidence is.

Also, stop saying you've proved me wrong, because you haven't. At all.

spare the rest of us? this is just between you and me kid.nobody else,so none of this the rest of us crap.

Fair enough, but don't call me kid. Provided your sentence structure, grammatical skills, and syntax (or lack thereof), and of course your copious use of smilies and your glaring arrogance, I'd bet anything that by comparison, you're the "kid" here.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
well because I thought you might not read these last two posts with long paragrahs in them since they are such long posts and so far it sounds like you havent.

Like i just said,I DID read r through that link to that site you posted and disproved you once again in them by addressing all the stuff you said in these last two posts with long paragraphs.your full of it as usual,thats NOT all I said,I posted many stuff there that proved you shot yourself in the foot by referring me to that site because those pics clearly show those girder columns were NOT severely damaged at all.that only ONE of them was.the others are very much intact and not at all damaged.ONE badly damaged girder is NOT enough to bring it down I have to freaking keep telling you.also I am not going to continue with you if your going to constantly ignore my point that it NONE OF THAT MATTERS,what DOES matter is the testimony of willie Rodriguez,who for the hundreth freaking damn time,heard and SAW EXPLOSIONS in the basement seconds BEFORE the plane hit which proves bombs went off,you CONSTANTLY ignore that fact though and want to talk about girders and crap like that though.

How can one believe that anything that you think you may have researched could be remotley worth listening to? If you cannot grasp the basic elements of spelling, grammar or sentence structure not to mention form an logical argument, how can we even remotely think that you are capable of knowing anything more than a common grade 7 student?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
How can one believe that anything that you think you may have researched could be remotley worth listening to? If you cannot grasp the basic elements of spelling, grammar or sentence structure, not to mention form an logical argument, how can we even remotely think that you are capable of knowing anything more than a common grade 7 student?

Don't worry Kharma, I, your buddy, have come to the rescue!

Hmm, looks like you don't need me after all, but I will say your lst post is a little ironic, I spotted some grammar mistakes in there, but no more than average.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Don't worry Kharma, I, your buddy, have come to the rescue!

Hmm, looks like you don't need me after all, but I will say your lst post is a little ironic, I spotted some grammar mistakes in there, but no more than average.

The odd double post is more ironic.

Me making the odd gramitcal error doesn't qualify as irony as I stated that Parker doesn't even have a basic grasp of the concept. If I were to show that I also did not have a basic grasp, then that would be ironic.

A little lazy? Yes. Ironic? Not so much.

BEWARE kharma dog is a lizard neo con!

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
Why would they need to PM me? I'm not the one refusing to read others posts because I disagree with them.

And yeah, I'm suuure you read the articles. Care to give me some details as proof? All you said was that they were "disgusting" and "full of lies"; you did not mention any specific points of the articles or anything.

Wow, if those pictures make MY logic look flawed, I can't even imagine what you must have thought about your own. It's plainly obvious that the steel girders are severely damaged and sometimes severed completely where the plane impacted. By your logic, the plane should have bounced off the tower with no damage done at all.

And yeah, I'm the annoying one. Definitely.

The testimony of Willie Rodriguez really does mean nothing, Parker. One witness' statement among hundreds of thousands is far from a "smoking gun." The fact that you call his testimony and the beliefs of the vast minority here a "smoking gun" pretty much proves how flimsy your evidence is.

Also, stop saying you've proved me wrong, because you haven't. At all.

Fair enough, but don't call me kid. Provided your sentence structure, grammatical skills, and syntax (or lack thereof), and of course your copious use of smilies and your glaring arrogance, I'd bet anything that by comparison, you're the "kid" here.

See thats what people do when losing an argument is critise the others grammar.they ALWAYS do that when proven wrong. 😆

thanks again for showing YOUR glaring arrogance as well by continuing to deny you have been proven wrong by the testimony of willie rodriguez..Sorry about the kid comment but I cant help laughing over your lunacy posts you come up saying those steel girders were damaged when the photos show otherwise.

you say by my logic that the plane should have bounced off the tower and there should have been no damage to the plane at all?
whatever? I never said that,I said that because it rammed into steel it would have crumpled up and been severely damaged -hich it was.You shot yourself in the foot earlier when saying by looking at photos you can see parts of the airliner flying out of the building.of course its going to go flying out of the building,it just crumpled to pieces by ramming into steel girders. 😆 seriously your arguments are laughable.

yeah for someone like YOU who doesnt know anything about constructing buildings,you may think its obvious that that the girders were damaged but to the trained eye of someone who knows construction,those girders -except for the one as i repeated earlier,are NOT damaged and are standing intact.

By the way it doesnt take an expert to even know what scientists already know and have said that molten steel WONT still be there 3 weeks later after being hosed down for several hours from just burning jet fuel. 😆 that only explosives would do something like that.

I also pointed out to you how laughable that link is on the part where it mentions that the towersdid not fall at freefall speed because it couldnt because the debris is falling out at a faster level than it is.That is such a joke because as i mentioned,what it FAILS to show is the video you can look at from when the towers erupt in a powder of dust at the top and then thats when they start collapsing.the thing that proves that link full of lies is all you got to do is watch the video and those towers fall at 7 seconds.the same EXACT way they fall at freefall speed.of course that debris is going to fall out,there was an explosion for crying out loud.LOL.

Forthe hundreth damn freaking time,a mere fire collapse of a tower as anybody with logic knows besides the independent experts have all said,is NOT going to fall at the same freefall speed that those towers fell.wake up and smell the damn folgers and stop living in denial on that.according to your logic,were suppose to discount the science that some great well known scientist from the 1200's came up with to calculate the speed of freefall that all scientists have gone by since then.sorry about these smileys but your lunatic logic kills me. 😆

Something else that I read in there in that crackpot link you posted was they quoted Firehouse.com as saying-I have never met a single fireman doubting that a fire of the proportion of those towers could destroy such a building that was not designed to withstand such an enormous fire.

what that links fails to mention is that in the nov 02 issue of fire engineer magazine said is that the ny firefighters called the 9-11 commission investigation-a half baked farce were there exact words.that link AGAIN is propaganda by some crackpot lunny who like you,has fallen for their lies and propaganda,they dont even allow other people to come on there and post to counter what they say because its so easy to counter.

One witness testimony? Did you SERIOUSLY think that all this time I have been going by just ONE witness testimony? give me some credit here for god sakes.I only mentioned "Rodriguez" testimony as an example because he is the BEST one to use to show how the government did not want to hear anything that contradicted their official story to fabricate to the public.as I mentioned,there are others that corraborated his story and countless other witnesses as well that heard explosions as well besides him.

as I said,fire engineering magazines called the 9-11 COVERUP investigation in the nov 02 magazine-a half baked farce because it failed to mention the firefighters testimonys that they heard explosions going off and that other witnesses saying that as well.you want to find out ADDITIONAL witnesses testimony who said they also heard explosions? read the aug 2006 issue of journal of 9-11 studies 2with an article devoted to it called 118 witnesses.the firefighters testimony to explosions in the twin towers.

I already mentioned to you back there at that other thread that there is a tape out that I have heard before in the past,where you can hear the live footage that was was acquired by independent investigaters,they used the freedon of information act to get the tapes that the fire dept of ny at first objected tobut they acquired because of that,that you can hear from that live footage the firefighters saying-they are just small managable fires,we should have them put out shortly and the people evacuated very soon,should be no problems.

Then shortly a few seconds later after he says that,you hear explosions going on and then the firemen then says-oh my god,theres EXPLOSIONS going off,these towers are going to fall.sorry but I will take the word of the designers what they said back in 93 and the onsite LIVE recordings of the firefighters I heard with my own ears them saying explosions going off than that crackpot site YOU referred to anyday of the year. 😆 got some more information for you,but this enough for starters. 😄

For sure,today is going to be the last time I address you on this because I did the favor for you of sitting through that laughable garbage of that link you posted which was a very difficult task for me since it so nauseating and full of lies and disinformation yet YOU wont do the courtesy of reading that book that I referred you to because your afraid of the truth and dont want to learn the truth.so why waste my time with you since you wont read that book I listed that proves the 9-11 commission report should be called the 9-11 commission coverup report?

Your so much in denial that bombs went off,its pitiful that you are so much afraid of the truth which is exactly what they want you to be.I saw this a long time ago and I am sure i could find it if you were worth the trouble and bother like deano or ashtar is if THEY asked me to find it for them,since unlike you,THEY are interested in the truth.But in response to you saying I am only going by one eyewitness testimony,I am not,I go by what fire engineering magazine says where the ny firefighters called the 9-11 commission a "half baked farce" of an investigation.which is so true.But a video I saw a long time ago and I would try and find it for you again if you were actually worth the trouble and bother,is a video clip of Dan Rather interviewing a survivor from the towers where she is saying to Rather in an interview from a new york hospital,she goes on to say something like-I was working in the floors near the basement levels and I heard all these EXPLOSIONS going off and the walls cracking around me and i am thinking-Oh my god,its just like 93,theres been explosions planted in the towers again.I was there in 93 on the day that happened and I still remember the sound of those explosions that went off that day so I knew from the sound os the noises,explosions were going off in the towers and my first thoughts were the terrorists have used explosives again to try and bring these towers down again just like in 93.Im sure you could probably find that video by going to youtube and tying in dan rather interview at hospital easily though to see for yourself.
also on page 178 and 179 here of the debunking 9-11 debunking thread,it goes on to name other witnesses who can corroborate what rodriguez heard.It states-Back in the north tower,some witnesses reported explosives even further down,in the basements.Janitor Williiam Rodriguez reported that he and the others felt an explosion below the first sub level office at 9am,after which co worker Felipe David,who had been in front of a nearby freight elevator,came into the office with severe burns on his face and arms yelling "explosion,explosion,explosion"!Rodriguez's account has been corroborated by Jose sanchez,who was in the workshop on the fourth sub level.Sanchez said that he and a coworker heard a big blast that "sounded like a bomb." after which, "a huge ball of fire went through the freight elevator."

Engineer Mike Pecoraro,who was working in the north towers sixth sub basement,said that after the explosion he and a co-worker went up to the C level,where there was a small machine shop."there was nothing there but rubble." said Pecoraro."were talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press-gone!" They then went to the parking garage,but then found that it also was gone.Then on the B level,that a steel and concrete fire door,which weighed about 300 pounds,was wrinkled up "like a piece of Aluminum foil." Having seen simliar things after the terrorists attack in 1993,Pecoraro was convinced that a bomb had gone off."testimony about explosions by Pecoraro and many other witnesses can be seen in the film 9-11 Mysteries😄emolitions."

theres more here on pages 178 and 179 that I will post from the book in the next post because I am probably getting to the byte level here which you can post only so many workd and sentences that it allows.

Okay here is the rest of it.Griffith then goes on to state-If there were indeed explosions in the basements,they would have likely have caused the ground to shake.Many people,in fact,reported feeling vibrations.According to the official account,any such vibrations would have been caused by the material from the collapsing towers hitting the ground.But the testimony of such witnesses suggests that they felt shaking before the buildings started coming down.Medical technician Lonnie Penn said that just before the collapse of the south tower,"I felt the ground shake,I turned around and ran for my life.I made it as far as the Financial center when the collapse happened." Fire Patrolman Paul Curran said that he was standing near the North tower when, "all of a sudden the ground started shaking.It felt like a train was running under my feet...The next thing we know,we look up and the tower is collapsing."FDNY Lieutenant Bradley Mann saw both buildings come down."shortly before the first tower came down," he said,"I remember feeling the ground shaking.I heard a terrible noise,and then debris,just started flying everywhere.People started running." Then,after they returned to the area, "We basically had the same thing.The ground shook again,and we heard another terrible noise and the next thing we knew the second tower was coming down."

Contrary to what NISTS suggests-Griffith goes on to say in the book,accordingly,there is abundent evidence of explosions both below and above the impact and fire zones,and most of this evidence was even collected by NYPD,one of the agencys NIST indicated it would trust.The fact that NIST itself did not collect such information is probably best understood as another example of the fact,mentioned by Fetzer,that NIST would not find what they did not look for.NIST'S apparent lack of interest in such testimony has been reported,by one of the people qouted above,Willie rodriquez, who has said: I contacted NIST...Four times without a response.Finally,"at a public hearing," I asked them before they came up with their conclusion..If they ever considered my statements or any of the other survivors who heard explosions.They just stared at me with blank faces. "in other words J,they didnt want to hear it because it did not go along with their offical version..Duh.as Griffith then says here at the end,It is clear in any case,that NIST'S thrid reason for not considering the hypothesis of controlled demolition-that "there was no evidence collected by "reliable sources" of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors." is contradicted by a huge body of evidence.I now turn to NISTS fourth reason,which survives a comparison with the evidence no better.-which i wont go into because i cant quote a whole book here obviously.LOL.but as anybody with common sense and logic can see,NIST did not want to hear Rodriquez or testimony from those other witnesses because it did not fit their version,you know it,i know it,stop living in denial on this.it was a 911 COVERUP commission.DUH.

Here is something else in this book you might find interesting.Griffith then goes on to state-In light of these testimonys,it is interesting that Mark Loizeaux,head of Controlled Demolition INC,has been quoted as saying-If I were to bring the towers down,I would put EXPLOSIVES in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure.He was quoted in AMERICAN FREE PRESS saying that,the news magazine that contrary to what you want to believe,is NOT a crackpot newspaper,they print REAL news.AGAIN,as I keep getting tored of repeating to you,in a demolition,that will happen for a tower to collapse DOWNWARDS in a freefall speed,a burning fire from a jet in the towers,its not.its GOING TO TIP SIDEWAYS which is what the tower started to do in the upper half that was hit before it was imploded.

also in a PBS interview done online with Stacy Loizeauz,daughter of Mark Loizeauz,the president of Controlled demolition,INC says back in interview in 1996 "the term "implosion" was coined by my grandmother back in ,I guess,the 60's.Its a more discriptive way to explain what we do than explosion.there ARE a series of small explosions,but the building itself isnt erupting outward.Its actually being pulled in on top of itself.waht were REALLY doing is removing specific support columns within the structure and then cajoling the building in one direction or another,or straight down.thats happens in demolitons J,where they can make towers fall STRAIGHT DOWN as she so proved to you from an expert.
also,Jim Hoffman a brilliant scientist-which whom I have met by the way once before.says in the book-Jimm Hoffman points out this statement wit its contrast between the "LARGE MASS" of the plane,and the light steel of the building is very misleading.'In fact,the steel on a single floor of the tower was ten times the weight of a 767.that was his reply to NIST who never got back to him.NIST never does because they cant counter their lies they make up constantly.

oh and FINALLY,my LAST post to you because I know you will be too pigheaded and arrogant to admit I have proven you wrong as I constantly have-which your afraid to admit obviously.LOL I knew what Griffith next goes on to state in his book,anybody who isnt afraid of the truth and has logic and common sense would know this,I never needed to hear it from Griffith but since you wont listen to me-here it is from Griffith-The South Towers collapse contained an even stranger anomoly.The uppermost floors-above the level atruck by the airplane-Began tipping toward the corner most damaged by the impact.Griffith is right on that account J as he is in everything in his book because the closeup video of the footage taken that day shows that.According to the law of the conservation of momentum,this block of approximiately 34 floors should have fallen to the ground far outside the buildings footprint."however" observe Don Paul and Jim Hoffman,as the top began to fall,the rotation decelerated.Then it REVERSED direction-which again the live footage shows that as it actually happens J,"even though the" law of conservation of angular momentum states that a solid object in rotation will CONTINUE to rotate at the same speed unless acted on by a torque.of course that would be consistant with explosives being used to NOT follow that law though,and of course,any logical person knows,your not going to have the concrete disintregrate into powders of dust and fly upwards from jet jet fuel.LOL,that one is hysterical,the concrete SHOULD have come down in chunks NOT pulverized concrete,you kill me J.Thats what freaking god damn been telling you from DAY ONE is the freaking towers are NOT going to fall in the SAME downward spiral the towers fell the way towers do in demolition operations and it sure is not going to fall at the freefall speed it feel at.

sorry you been proven wrong again dude by not only these scientist experts and witness testimony by countless firemen BESIDES willie rodriguez,but ALSO by the laws of conservation that go back to the 1200's. 😆 😂 😆 😆 AGAIN "STOP" falling for crackpot sites like that one you went to where they dont even allow people to come on and counter their points,and START reading those freaking books I mentioned,but as we both know,you wont take me up on that challenge to at LEAST read David Griffiths book Debunking 9-11 Debunking.subtitle-An answer to Popular Mechanics and other defenders of the official conspiracy theory.we both know you will never read it unlike i did with "YOU" of looking through those countless number of lies at that crackpot conspiracy theorist site because we both know your afraid of the truth to read it to deal with it.READ THE BOOK,until then,im done with you.

THE BIBLE,
THE USA,
AND THE POLE-SHIFT

I believe that Bible prophecy speaks of the future destruction of the United States of America during the coming Pole-Shift. I also believe that since the United States of America did not exist back when these scriptures were written, that the word Babylon the Great, was used in it's place.

There was an ancient city of Babylon. But that does not appear to be the city that the Bible speaks of when it talks of MASS destruction. And there is no record of the events that I am about to post ever happening to that city.

So therefore I have to conclude that when the Bible speaks of "Babylon the Great", that it is actually referring to the United States of America. Also, if you look closely at these prophecies, you may find as well that they can easily tie into the coming Pole-Shift and the effects of such an event.