Originally posted by Grimm22
Um no 😐Batgirl is possibly the most skilled fighter in comics 😉
Current Wolverine relies far to much on his healing factor and claws. He would get pretty much owned without them ✅
Classic Wolverine would have a better chance as he actually tried not to get hurt because he actually felt pain back then 🙄
Batgirl is possibly the most skilled fighter if you disregard the ones that go over the limit (Karate Kid, anyone?), which is very smart when talking about hand to hand fighting...
Wolverine indeed does rely mostly on his healing factor and claws and that's why it might be reasonable to think that he (as well the other fighters in the match) gets some time to get used to his clawlessness (that can't be a word) and so forth. So no time to learn anything new, but just get used to the idea...
Originally posted by Grimm22
Faster? Maybe 😬Tougher?!? This isnt current wolverine we're talking about. He isnt unbeatable
A better fighter?!?! Hell no ❌
Faster yes not by a lot just a little bit
Wolverine definitely relies way too much on his healing factor. For being such a "GREAT" fighter, he sure would've died here had it not been for his healing factor.
http://www.mutanthigh.com/index2.html (I hope that link works okay. If not, I'll send the images one by one when I get home from work).
Originally posted by Tshern
Batgirl is possibly the most skilled fighter if you disregard the ones that go over the limit (Karate Kid, anyone?), which is very smart when talking about hand to hand fighting...Wolverine indeed does rely mostly on his healing factor and claws and that's why it might be reasonable to think that he (as well the other fighters in the match) gets some time to get used to his clawlessness (that can't be a word) and so forth. So no time to learn anything new, but just get used to the idea...
Doh!doh
I forgot about the unbeatable KK 😛
Originally posted by batdude123
About 5/10. 😉 Batman's more skilled. That's right, I said it!!!!!! 😐
You wish, Batdude 😛 .
Their skills are approximately even, they are both nearly the best Martial Artist of their respective world, and both have plenty of amazing feats to back up their position. Yes, Batman comics LOOK more fancy, but, honestly, they way it looks doesn't matter. It's all about effectiveness, and they are both about equally effective.
However.
Steve is superior to batman in every characteristic, physically. I won't lie, however, Batman beats the hell out of steve when it comes to intel, or detective work. But on a purely physical plane? Batman is outmatched.
Assuming both combatants are bare-ass-naked, Steve should beat out Batman about eight out of ten times. If they both have their standard aresenal, however, that drops to six out of ten for Steve.
Originally posted by Soljer
You wish, Batdude 😛 .Their skills are approximately even, they are both nearly the best Martial Artist of their respective world, and both have plenty of amazing feats to back up their position. Yes, Batman comics LOOK more fancy, but, honestly, they way it looks doesn't matter. It's all about effectiveness, and they are both about equally effective.
However.
Steve is superior to batman in every characteristic, physically. I won't lie, however, Batman beats the hell out of steve when it comes to intel, or detective work. But on a purely physical plane? Batman is outmatched.
Assuming both combatants are bare-ass-naked, Steve should beat out Batman about eight out of ten times. If they both have their standard aresenal, however, that drops to six out of ten for Steve.
Effectiveness? Batman is MORE effective than Cap is. He'd take you down with just a touch. Captain America is a soldier who FIGHTS extremely FANTASTICALLY well, but honestly Batman is more skilled. Captain America beats Batman in a h2h fight because of the SSS.
Strength- yeah, Captain America is stronger, but Batman with his chi can kick down gigantic trees. 😖hifty: 😛
Agility- Yep, Captain America's got him there. Although, Bruce is EXTREMELY agile.
Durability- Batman's suit rocks the house. He's more durable.
Stamina- Yeah, Cap can go longer, but really it's a non factor because Batman has trained himself to ignore dependency on sleep for DAYS.
And with gadgets? Nah, Batman beats him 7-8/10. His suit will f*ckin kick your ass while he's even unconscious. Read "Hush." Anyway, he's got too many crazy gadgets for Stevie boy to overcome.
-batdude OUT!
Re: Best Street Levelers Collide!!!
Originally posted by Longinus
Team DC vs Team Marvel, this fight is taking the best fighters (IMO) and pitting them against each other, they will have no access to gadgets, weapons, powers, or any inate senses (Daredevil won't be blind). This is a fight where we put all these fighters so called "fighting skills" to the test. So heres the lineup.MARVEL
1. Captain America (No Shield)
2. Black Panther
3. Wolverine (no adamantium claws or healing factor)
4. Spiderman (strength is put on Capt's level, no webbing, no spider sense)
5. DaredevilDC
1. Batman (no gadgets)
2. Batgirl (Cassandra,no gadgets)
3. Green Arrow
4. Nightwing (no gadgets)
5. Deathstroke (no weapons/healing factor)I believe I made this fairly even and debateable. So which team takes it, it's pretty evenly set with characters on both sides having someone they are relatively equal to on the other team and remeber in fighting, strength & speed are only parts of the equation, you also have to be smart and skillful. So which team has the greater skillz?
Captain America provides the leadership and bravado the Marvel team will need to keep up with DC's basic skill advantage. Black Panther is a terrific strategist, while Daredevil will make a terrific addition. However, based on the OP's terms, Spider-man has no powers or special senses, neither does Wolverine. That gives you an untrained Captain America and a headstrong berserker. From the start Marvel is fighting 3v5.
DC lacks a strong leadership role, and combining four loners with Nightwing seems like a bad combination. However, three of these five are all members of the Bats family and understand eachother, GA and DS aren't stupid either, and can easily work in with the group. What this group lacks that Marvel has is a strong leader, Batman perhaps, but he's not known to inspire and lead troops on the level Captain is. Morale is a huge factor in many fights. A couple of months ago I'd say having GA without his gear on this team would make it 4 DC vs 3 Marvel, but his recent upgrade definitly puts him on at LEAST Nightwing's level. At this point you've got three of DC's best martial artists taking on two of Marvel's best with another amazing fighter, an untrained meta and someone about as reliable as a well oiled midget.
I see Spidey getting taken out first, he has no serious fighting prowess (See in the recent Spider-man comic where he had a tough time with Cap, with all his powers enabled) and no abilities due to the OPs terms. Oldschool GA could take him out, nevermind current.
Next up is Wolverine. He'd charge in recklessly, as per usual, and get his shit stomped. Without his powers he's like oldschool Azrael, who Nightwing went toe to toe with. If he decides to fight smart, he's still going to get picked out next, probably by Deathstroke, who does a 10-step on his face.
Now, I'd say either Nightwing or Green Arrow falls next. I'm sure Captain America would be doing his best to protect his teammate, but Black Panther is ruthless enough to sacrifice Spidey or Wolverine to take out any of the DC's, I'm sure he'd aim for Nightwing or Green arrow in an attempt to take out the weaklest links first. One less fighter will make it all the easier.
From here on out its 3v4, and I really don't see the 3 being able to take the 4. Batman can go toe to toe with Caps for an extended period of time, Deathstroke or Batgirl can hang with Black Panther, whoever is left can throw down with Daredevil.
The reality is, the numbers are going to be the turning point.
Switch Spider-man out for Deadpool, Iron Fist, someone, anyone, who actually has fighting prowess, and you'll have a much better fight.
If we did 5 1v1 matches;
1) Captain America takes Batman. Long, excessive fight, I'd give it to Captain. He'd beat Batman the way Azrael has, being faster, stronger, more proficient.
2) Black Panther against Batgirl, with no gadgets or anything... I have no idea. This fight would be insane.
3) Wolverine would get his shit wrecked by Green Arrow.
4) Nightwing kicks Spider-man's ass.
5) Deathstroke, by a mile.
Notice, the OP's terms were; "they will have no access to gadgets, weapons, powers, or any inate senses (Daredevil won't be blind)" 3 of Marvel's fighters rely on enhanced senses, one uses plenty of gadgets, all of them have their weapons and powers, but only THREE regularly rely heavily on their fighting prowess over these aforementioned abilities and items.
All of the DC guys rely on their fighting prowess, regularly. The only one who doesn't rely as heavily is Green Arrow, but he throws down in melee more often than most think.
Originally posted by batdude123
Effectiveness? Batman is MORE effective than Cap is. He'd take you down with just a touch. Captain America is a soldier who FIGHTS extremely FANTASTICALLY well, but honestly Batman is more skilled. Captain America beats Batman in a h2h fight because of the SSS.Durability- Batman's suit rocks the house. He's more durable.
And with gadgets? Nah, Batman beats him 7-8/10. His suit will f*ckin kick your ass while he's even unconscious. Read "Hush." Anyway, he's got too many crazy gadgets for Stevie boy to overcome.
I say effectiveness, because they both get the job done. And, despite the fact that Batman's running, jump, double, full, flip, bat-twister-kick looks more fancy, and 'amazing,' that matters very little. Steve still, according to the writers, has an unneering talent to hit a pressure point. Every time. He even went and crushed the tendons in wolverine's arms in order to take his claws out of the fight. Pretty nifty tactic, if you ask me.
On panel, steve's attacks look like simple boxing maneuvers. However, they are far more advanced than that. And believe me, Steve could take a man out with a touch as well.
He's got tha POWA! 💃
As far as durability goes, I would argue in favor of steve. Only because he can take the exact same things as Batman, but without a suit (Don't you dare bring up Superman -_-). Besides that, I was talking about a fight in which they were bare ass naked. Perhaps not literally, but a fight in which each is only in a gi, or something of the sort. No weapons, no defenses. Just two men.
Lastly, as far as with gadgets? To each his own. Opinions are like assholes 😄 .
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Re: Re: Best Street Levelers Collide!!!
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Captain America provides the leadership and bravado the Marvel team will need to keep up with DC's basic skill advantage. Black Panther is a terrific strategist, while Daredevil will make a terrific addition. However, based on the OP's terms, Spider-man has no powers or special senses, neither does Wolverine. That gives you an untrained Captain America and a headstrong berserker. From the start Marvel is fighting 3v5.DC lacks a strong leadership role, and combining four loners with Nightwing seems like a bad combination. However, three of these five are all members of the Bats family and understand eachother, GA and DS aren't stupid either, and can easily work in with the group. What this group lacks that Marvel has is a strong leader, Batman perhaps, but he's not known to inspire and lead troops on the level Captain is. Morale is a huge factor in many fights. A couple of months ago I'd say having GA without his gear on this team would make it 4 DC vs 3 Marvel, but his recent upgrade definitly puts him on at LEAST Nightwing's level. At this point you've got three of DC's best martial artists taking on two of Marvel's best with another amazing fighter, an untrained meta and someone about as reliable as a well oiled midget.
I see Spidey getting taken out first, he has no serious fighting prowess (See in the recent Spider-man comic where he had a tough time with Cap, with all his powers enabled) and no abilities due to the OPs terms. Oldschool GA could take him out, nevermind current.
Next up is Wolverine. He'd charge in recklessly, as per usual, and get his shit stomped. Without his powers he's like oldschool Azrael, who Nightwing went toe to toe with. If he decides to fight smart, he's still going to get picked out next, probably by Deathstroke, who does a 10-step on his face.
Now, I'd say either Nightwing or Green Arrow falls next. I'm sure Captain America would be doing his best to protect his teammate, but Black Panther is ruthless enough to sacrifice Spidey or Wolverine to take out any of the DC's, I'm sure he'd aim for Nightwing or Green arrow in an attempt to take out the weaklest links first. One less fighter will make it all the easier.
From here on out its 3v4, and I really don't see the 3 being able to take the 4. Batman can go toe to toe with Caps for an extended period of time, Deathstroke or Batgirl can hang with Black Panther, whoever is left can throw down with Daredevil.
The reality is, the numbers are going to be the turning point.
Switch Spider-man out for Deadpool, Iron Fist, someone, anyone, who actually has fighting prowess, and you'll have a much better fight.
If we did 5 1v1 matches;
1) Captain America takes Batman. Long, excessive fight, I'd give it to Captain. He'd beat Batman the way Azrael has, being faster, stronger, more proficient.
2) Black Panther against Batgirl, with no gadgets or anything... I have no idea. This fight would be insane.
3) Wolverine would get his shit wrecked by Green Arrow.
4) Nightwing kicks Spider-man's ass.
5) Deathstroke, by a mile.
Notice, the OP's terms were; "they will have no access to gadgets, weapons, powers, or any inate senses (Daredevil won't be blind)" 3 of Marvel's fighters rely on enhanced senses, one uses plenty of gadgets, all of them have their weapons and powers, but only THREE regularly rely heavily on their fighting prowess over these aforementioned abilities and items.
All of the DC guys rely on their fighting prowess, regularly. The only one who doesn't rely as heavily is Green Arrow, but he throws down in melee more often than most think.
*Leaps into the Jump rope*
I pretty much agree with this, only 1 thing I might add, BP is the most durable out of all these fighters, his vibranium suit can take just about anything, and DC team has nothing thats going to penetrate it, BP could take out Batgirl just because of this alone as well as one more person.
Re: Re: Re: Best Street Levelers Collide!!!
Originally posted by Apolloknight
*Leaps into the Jump rope*I pretty much agree with this, only 1 thing I might add, BP is the most durable out of all these fighters, his vibranium suit can take just about anything, and DC team has nothing thats going to penetrate it, BP could take out Batgirl just because of this alone as well as one more person.
He has no suit. Read the OP's terms.
Originally posted by Soljer
I say effectiveness, because they both get the job done. And, despite the fact that Batman's running, jump, double, full, flip, bat-twister-kick looks more fancy, and 'amazing,' that matters very little. Steve still, according to the writers, has an unneering talent to hit a pressure point. Every time. He even went and crushed the tendons in wolverine's arms in order to take his claws out of the fight. Pretty nifty tactic, if you ask me.On panel, steve's attacks look like simple boxing maneuvers. However, they are far more advanced than that. And believe me, Steve could take a man out with a touch as well.
He's got tha POWA! 💃
As far as durability goes, I would argue in favor of steve. Only because he can take the exact same things as Batman, but without a suit (Don't you dare bring up Superman -_-). Besides that, I was talking about a fight in which they were bare ass naked. Perhaps not literally, but a fight in which each is only in a gi, or something of the sort. No weapons, no defenses. Just two men.
Lastly, as far as with gadgets? To each his own. Opinions are like assholes 😄 .
😮💨
Actually, based on consistent showings, Batman is the more skilled combatant. Captain does show simple techniques that do get the job done. However, it's pretty clear that Batman is more versatile in the field of fighting. He adapts well to any situation of fighters. We're talking about a guy who trained and stalemated Cass, has a winning record against Shiva, and stalemated Richard F*CKING Dragon. Give Batman the juice, and I see him owning Steve. 😄
Durability still goes to Batman. The suit allows him to absorb superhuman punches and a variety of other punishments.
And fine (but gadgets still rock the house).
😮💨
Re: Re: Best Street Levelers Collide!!!
Originally posted by Nataku8188
3) Wolverine would get his shit wrecked by Green Arrow.4) Nightwing kicks Spider-man's ass.
4. 😱 😆