Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Obi-Wan managed to defend himself from Maul for the majority of their duel.
No, he didn't. Because he didn't get killed, he kept up with Maul? Lawls. Let's do a recapulation on the two on one:
- Blocked Kenobi's attack while not even looking.
- Jump kicked Qui-Gon while defending against Obi-Wan.
- Kicked Kenobi and knocked him back ten feet (so much he had to run to catch up).
- Pushed Qui-Gon away with just sheer Force.
- Did the same to Kenobi.
- Spin kicked Kenobi and he fell down to a completely different platform.
"their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate. "
Now, how is it that a superior duo's attacks were useless, and they were getting pwned, but he can't do it to Kit Fisto and Anakin? Remember, this isn't a one on one, so stop treating it like it is.
The fact that Kit is better than AOTC Obi-Wan, who is ultimately far greater than TPM Obi-Wan, means that Kit should be able to defend himself from Maul for a decent amount of time. Nay?
We're not arguing about AOTC Obi-Wan, or TPM Obi-Wan for Kit. Kit Fisto would be the Qui-Gon of the match, and Anakin would be the Kenobi.
So, I don't see how it's relevant that he's superior to TPM Obi-Wan, when he's not superior than Qui-Gon, and AOTC Anakin is at the most equal to TPM Kenobi, though, I'd argue TPM Obi-Wan > AOTC Anakin. Adding to the fact that Qui-Gon Jinn > Kit Fisto.
In the novel, it states that because Obi-Wan was quicker than Qui-Gon, he was able to “elude his antagonist’s efforts”. Hence, in a sense, it was Obi-Wan’s speed that helped him out for the majority of the duel.
It says quote exactly, "Anticipating each blow, he was able to elude his antagonist's efforts to bring him down."
This was only because he was attacking like a madman.
It also mentions Darth Maul struggling to keep Kenobi at bay – a Sith Lord, who uses anger as his “ally”, struggling to defend himself from a Jedi, someone who rarely uses their anger to aid them in a duel, who had just become slightly aggressive.
You're a L-I-A-R. He didn't become "slightly aggressive", and I quote from the novelization:
"The Sith Lord was borne backward by the Jedi Knight's initial rush, caught off guard by the other's wild assault,"
He was surprised Obi-Wan would tap into his anger, and use it fully, but as you will see two quotes down, he regained composure.
"He struck at the Sith Lord with his lightsaber as if his own safety meant nothing, lost in a red haze of rage and frustration, consumed by his grief for Qui-Gon and his failure to prevent his friend's fall. "
Seems "slightly aggressive" is bullshit, he didn't even care about himself, he was furiated, and was attacking wildly.
And, you'll notice this:
"But Darth Maul was the stronger of the two and was driven by a frenzy that surpassed even the frantic determination that fueled Obi-Wan. Eventually, the Sith Lord began to wear the young Jedi down. Bit by bit, he pressed him back, carrying the attack to him, looking to catch him off guard."
Hm, it seems as if Obi-Wan was going all out crazy during the fight, and once Maul tapped into his true hatred, he "began to wear the young Jedi down".
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"Slightly aggressive"? Try attacking like a madman. Quit making shit up.
And then, when Maul finally did regain the offensive, Obi-Wan managed to “elude his antagonists efforts” due to his speed. After Obi-Wan’s anger driven assault, Maul does not regain the upper-hand until later on.
Maul regained control as soon as Obi-Wan breaks his lightsaber in half.
“Obi-Wan swiftly discovered that Kit was the better swordfighter, astonishingly aggressive and intuitive”
And I'll just meet this with my own quote. "But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi - Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger."
Anyways, what does Fisto being aggressive have to do with anything? Qui-Gon was aggressive, it didn't save him, now did it?
“Form I was wild, raw… and deadly. It also required too much emotional heat for Obi-Wan’s taste.
Forms now? Lol. He uses freaking Form I. Younglings know Form I. Darth Maul uses Juyo, which is highly more effective.
“Kit favored the Form I style of combat, a fierce—“ and then it just kinda cuts off, because Obi-Wan just realized that the JK droid Kit was fighting could actually think for itself.
"A fierce" what? Either way, this matters not. Actually, none of this matters at all. Qui-Gon in the actual final draft of the script is described as this exactly:
"When the wall between QUI-GON and DARTH MAUL opens, QUI-GON is in a
split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before."
Your point? And in the actual novel, he's described as:
"He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. "
[Query]: And did any of that save him?
[Short answer]:
[Subtitles]: Hell no.
“Kit’s emerald blade was here, there, everywhere: unpredictable, irresistible”
Hyperbolic description. Kit's blade was predicted by Darth Sidious, and it was resisted by Darth Sidious as well. Nevertheless, that's irrelevant - it's hyperbole.
“The Nautolan’s sense of timing faster and more precise than conscious thought”
Sense of timing? Lol. Didn't we already have this debate in which I handed you your ass?
Obviously not good enough, Kit, because guess what? You're dead.
Are you sure? Unless I’m missing something, in the novel it reads.. “and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied”. I can’t find where it states, “with a ferocity not seen before.” Unless that is what you meant…
FINAL DRAFT of the script:
"When the wall between QUI-GON and DARTH MAUL opens, QUI-GON is in a
split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before."
Your point? And in the actual novel, he's described as:
"He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. "
Again, I can’t find where it says “ferocity not seen before”. But I agree that Qui-Gon was fighting very ferociously indeed.
"When the wall between QUI-GON and DARTH MAUL opens, QUI-GON is in a
split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before."
Your point? And in the actual novel, he's described as:
"He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. "
I wish people saw that scene through my eyes.
If we saw anything through your eyes, it'd probably be a Kit Fisto porno.
If you watch closely, Kit actually manages to slide himself behind Sidious, in conjunction with Mace’s attack, to deliver what he thought would be the finishing blow. From what we saw, Kit seemed to remain co-ordinated with Mace fairly well (Especially evident as they attack Sidious both at the same time).
So, because Saesee and Agen died first, and Kit managed to clash sabers with Sidious once, he's coordinated with Mace Windu? And how did he "seem to remain coordinated fairly well". HE DIED IN THE FIRST THREE SECONDS.
he DID keep up with Mace for the 2 seconds in which he was dueling Sidious!
Dueling Sidious? I don't call clashing blades one time "dueling". It was a slaughter. And you're saying he kept up with Mace for 2 seconds? Uh, buddy, those 2 seconds were where Agen and Saesee died.
Two seconds and you say he's z0mg coordinated, and so he'll be coordinated with Anakin? This has to be a joke.
Considering that Kit and Mace had never dueled someone together before (or have they?), I thought that they seemed to do a fairly good job at remaining co-ordinated. They were fighting together so symbolically, that when Kit was suddenly slashed across the waist, I almost died of shock!
What the f*ck are you talking about? They fought together for two seconds! And they didn't do a "fairly good job", as Kit Fisto didn't even move from where they started fighting.
True, but that is no reason to assume that they will fail at remaining coordinated.
Yes, there is.
1.) Kit Fisto has never worked with Anakin.
2.) Anakin is foolhardy, headstrong, and an idiot.
3.) Anakin wouldn't even listen to his own master.
4.) Anakin wasn't even coordinated with his own master.
Now, tell me why Kit Fisto and Anakin will mesh good together? You can't? Thought so.
Just because he lasted two seconds against Sidious (lol) doesn't mean he "coordinated" with Mace, or even that he will with Anakin.