Gandalf the White vs. Voldemort

I hope I'm getting my fair share of Scooby Snacks for this. Your arguments would be worthless if not for me.

Only if you give me naked pictures of your cousin.

Oh yes, I went there.

The risk involved in trying to attain naked pictures of my cousin would discourage even the mightiest of men. Think of the most psychopathic thing you could do to another human being, then take discomfort in the fact that Polaski could do worse.

That's hot.

No really, that's hot. 😐

I said psychopathic, not erotic.

I know. Nub.

I say Gandalf wins.

😐

Well yeah, but, you're a sock.

haermm

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
So we should assume that there is "probably" a spell in LotR more powerful, and that Gandalf "most likely" possesses it?

How about no?

Gandalf is like Saruman in that both are Maiar, and both of their mortal shells are destructible, and as my ward stated, they cannot come back as they please, Gandalf's resurrection was a direct intervention from the Valar was it not?

It was Eru; not even the Valar have the power to reincarnate someone. (I think.)

I am willing to take Gandalf's side: The shield he uses against the Balrog implies that he could also shield himself from the Avada Kedavra curse. (Mostly because there is no other evidence that Gandalf would win, except for the whole Angel of Eru thing, which meant nothing in a fight. Much as I hate to admit it, in pure combat ability I think Voldy has him beat.)

I think the biggest problem is that Voldemort is a punk, but Gandalf is frikkin BA!

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Well yeah, but, you're a sock.

haermm

What the hell is a sock?

And anyway, I would like to say Voldemort wouldn't even get the chance to point his wand at Gandi. Hell, Legolas took five bloody minutes getting his bow ready because Gandalf was casting a spell on him. The same Legolas who could have strung a bow faster then the eye could see. Even then, IF Voldemort can get his wand at Gandalf, Gandi could super heat his wand so it catches on fire. ftw.

Only Voldemort can rapidly apparate(teleport), can turn intangible, and is much faster than Gandalf.

And as for that motion, or Voldemort can with a gesture relinquish Gandalf of his staff.

And this is ignoring the fact that with a single spell Voldemort can kill Gandalf.

Or he could just use Crucio to torture Gandalf's very mortal body slowly.

Can he cast spells while intangible?

And Gandalf can do the same thing with his wand 😐

Gandalf can do that also. He can can down a bolt of lightning onto Voldemort's head.

It takes the same pointing and saying the word as Avada. Which he won't be able to do.

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
Can he cast spells while intangible?

And Gandalf can do the same thing with his wand 😐

Gandalf can do that also. He can can down a bolt of lightning onto Voldemort's head.

It takes the same pointing and saying the word as Avada. Which he won't be able to do.

Only, you see, the thing is, Voldemort has resistance against the Expelliarmus spell in HP, which disarms the opponent, hell, disarming the opponent is a basic HP attack.

And Voldemort can kill Gandalf with a beam of light.

So Gandalf can react faster than Voldemort can speak?

Gandalf has no resistance against Avada Kedavra, you would have to prove that Gandalf is fast enough to kill Voldemort before he can use it, cause he can't block or dodge it.

K

Voldemort's wand is immune to having it catch on fire 😐

It isn't a beam of light though. It's a beam of teh magic.

He cast the spell on Legolas who can string a bow faster then the eye can see so yeah sure why not.

I thought Avada could be blocked by another physical object 😐

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
K

Voldemort's wand is immune to having it catch on fire 😐

It isn't a beam of light though. It's a beam of teh magic.

He cast the spell on Legolas who can string a bow faster then the eye can see so yeah sure why not.

I thought Avada could be blocked by another physical object 😐

Which takes the form of a beam of light.

Hyperbole.

Yeah, if it is large enough, last I checked Gandalf didn't carry a shield.

Gandalf doesn't even have to do a gesture to heat one's weapon 😐

No it isn't.

Here's the actual statment

"He stands not alone," said Legolas, bending his bow and fitting an arrow with hands that moved quicker then sight.

Don't see any hyperbole there.

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
Gandalf doesn't even have to do a gesture to heat one's weapon 😐

No it isn't.

Here's the actual statment

"He stands not alone," said Legolas, bending his bow and fitting an arrow with hands that moved quicker then sight.

Don't see any hyperbole there.

Okay you mis-interpreted. It says his hands are quicker than sight, which is no strength, not that he strings a bow that fast.

When in Fangorn Forest, Aragorn drew Anduril against teh Cloaked Gandalf, and suddenly dropped it, saying it blazed with a sudden fire. Now before you go and say "IT WAS TEH HYPERBULLZ", Voldemort's staff is made of wood right? Well if you super duper heat wood, it catches fire am I right?

Considering the fact that Tolkein's works are literally brimming with hyperbole, it stands to reason that the "faster than the eye can see" comment is hyperbole. And even if it wasn't that's still only a speed feat not a strength feat. A strength feat would be hitting a target with an arrow from over a thousand yards...

And as for the flames, Tolkein never describes how Gandalf actually cast the spell. The fact that Gandalf never it again afterwards even though it would have been increasingly helpful leads me to believe that it's not as easy and fast as you'd think.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Considering the fact that Tolkein's works are literally brimming with hyperbole, it stands to reason that the "faster than the eye can see" comment is hyperbole. And even if it wasn't that's still only a speed feat not a strength feat. A strength feat would be hitting a target with an arrow from over a thousand yards...

And as for the flames, Tolkein never describes how Gandalf actually cast the spell. The fact that Gandalf never it again afterwards even though it would have been increasingly helpful leads me to believe that it's not as easy and fast as you'd think.

You're assuming that Gandalf can't cast the spell fast enough, even though it plainly said that he simply lifted up his staff, and both Gimli's and Aragorn's weapons were nullified? And when after this has he ever had a chance to use that spell effectively? The only one I could possibly think of is WK, and something tells me that spell wouldn't really work against a sword wreathed in flames.