Semptember the 11th

Started by Mr Parker98 pages

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, there's no point debating someone, who doesn't state any facts. instead repeats a the official story and when one puts a counter claim he simple states they are wrong without elaborating why.

Simply resorts to bashing, and making [B]ASSumptions ( like bombs), and strawmans all the time. your post are equivalent to garbage, you only insult people and critique grammer.most likely to mske yourself feel better, how lame. [/B]

exactly.well said.And to add on further,insults people if they dont agree with him and then has the audacity to act like an innocent little victem when someone gets tired of his crap and insults him back then he goes on and whines about being insulted.children like that who just repeat the same offiical fairy tale of the 9-11 commission and go an insulting rampage when they have been proven wrong are just not worth the effort.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
[QUOTE=7131115]Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[B]Right, the new york times, FEMA, NSIT, Firemen who were there, Structural enegineers are third rate.

yep,according to HIS logic,they are. 😆

Firemen who were there. I just posted their full quotes, and you ignore them completely. When the quotes are posted in full context, they show that not one of the firemen quoted believed the sound they heard were bombs.

Is this really the best you've got. It's typical of a conspiracy theorist to completely ignore "facts" that refute their claims, and move on to other parts of their "evidence." Oh trust me, there's more to come.

When our New World Order finally takes over, I'm coming for each of you.

BTW, I love that article stating that 1/3 of all Americans believe 9/11 was the work of the US government. Yet the survey consisted of only 1010 out of 280 million. I guarantee that I can go find 10,000 out of 10,000 people that believe 9/11 was the work of Islamic terrorists. What makes your numbers better than mine?

Maybe, just maybe, KharmaDog is a child. He debates to make himself feel better. Obviously, he has zero skill in debating what-so-ever.

For instance,whenever a point is brough up, He Declares it's wrong. He fails to: Explain why it's wrong, Or offer a new point, that refutes the original one. Instead he talks about grammer, how sad.

yeah he must be related to those other two chidren LMM and Darth Krieger. 😄 Grand Moff is the ONLY one of those 4 with absurd logic who acts anything like an adult.At least with him,I can tolerate him that he swallows the garbage and lies of 9-11 because he at least doesnt keep stating the official version over and over again and go into these kiddie tantrems those 3 do when they are losing a debate.Him I dont mind discussing it with because he has said that he doesnt get so bent out of shape about it like those 3 do because he likes to keep things light hearted.He has the same absurd beliefs they do but he at least acts like an adult about it unlike those 3. 😄 so HIM I will listen to. 😉

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah he must be related to those other two chidren LMM and Darth Krieger.

LMM and darth; Their not as bad as kharma.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, there's no point debating someone, who

doesn't state any facts.

First of all, you confuse "facts" with "evidence". Second of all, if you took the time to read past threads and posts, you would see why members like Gav and others often compliment me on giving sound arguments. This accusation of yours does not hold water.

instead repeats a the official story and when one puts a counter claim he simple states they are wrong without elaborating why.

Once again, if you paid attention, you would see where I disagree with the official story and why. You would also read my elaborations on said subject.

Simply resorts to bashing, and making [B]ASSumptions ( like bombs), and strawmans all the time. [/B]

You just started bashing me AGAIN. Anyone who has read your posting history can see that that's what you do. I have not attacked you on this thread, I asked a simple question. You are on the attack. The hypocrisy astounds.

your post are equivalent to garbage

Once again, you confuse "opinion" with "fact".

you only insult people and critique grammer

Although I throw the occasional barb, I do much more than that. I have also garnered much more respect in this forum than you have received regarding viewpoints, presentation, and basic posting history. As for the grammar, your's is offensive, especially when you try to sound smart. It is also humorous that you confuse grammar with comprehension and the fact that you even spelled grammar wrong is funny.

My main point in such criticisms is that one who takes so little interest and effort in intelligently expressing themselves probably lacks the necessary tools to argue intelligently.

most likely to mske yourself feel better, how lame.

Actually I just explained myself. What is lame is how quickly you jump to conclusions and how you are unable to notice or take responsibility for that. In an earlier debate I jumped to the conclusion that you believed bombs initiated the collapse of the twin towers. I admitted that I was wrong in that conclusion and asked you to elaborate.

Not only did you not elaborate, but you continued to point out a mistake that I made and ridicule me for it though I had taken responsibility for it and that you continued to jump to conclusions. You also continue to insult repeatedly and use straw man tactics.

So please, explain what you think caused the collapse of the twin towers, and please stop the strawman tactic and repeating yourself.

I added on to my last post,read on.

Buildings are not specifically designed to withstand the impact of fuel-laden commercial airliners. While documents from The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ) indicate that the impact of a Boeing 707 flying at 600 mph, possibly crashing into the 80thfloor, was analyzed during the design of the WTC towers in February/March 1964, the effect of the subsequent fires was not considered. Building codes do not require building designs to consider aircraft impact.

The load conditions induced by aircraft impacts and the extensive fires on September 11, 2001, which triggered the collapse of the WTC towers, fall outside thenorm of design loads considered in building codes.

Seems to contradict the claim that the towers could withstand an explosive strike from a 707 travelling at 600mph.

Fires played a major role in further reducing the structural capacity of the buildings, initiating collapse. While aircraft impact damage did not, by itself, initiate building collapse, it contributed greatly to the subsequent fires and the thermal response of the structuresby:
•Compromising the sprinkler and water supply systems;
•Dispersing jet fuel and igniting building contents over large areas;
•Creating large accumulations of combustible matter containing aircraft debris and building contents;
•Increasing the air supply into the damaged buildings that permitted significantly higher energy release rates than would normally be seen in ventilation limited building fires, allowing the fires to spread rapidly on multiplefloors;
•Damaging and dislodging fireproofing from structural components in the direct path of the debris and due to the strong vibrations generated by aircraft impact; and
•Damaging ceilings that enabled “unabated” heat transport over the floor-to-ceiling partition walls and to structural components.

Nowhere does it say that only fires caused the collapsed of the towers, but the combined structural damage and the ensuing fires. It specifically says the airplane strike contributed to the collapse.

Probable Collapse Sequence for WTC 1
1.Aircraft Impact Damage:
•Aircraft impact severed a number of exterior columns on the North wall from floors 93 to 98, and the wall section above the impact zone moved downward.
•After breaching the building’s perimeter, the aircraft continuedto penetrate into the building, severing floor framing and core columns at the North side of thecore. Core columns were also damaged toward the center of the core and, to a limited extent on the South side of the core. Fireproofing was damaged from the impact area to the South perimeter wall, primarily through the center of WTC 1 and at least over a third to a half of the core width.
•Aircraft impact severed a single exterior panel at the center ofthe South wall between floors 94 and 96.
•The impact damage to the exterior walls and to the core resultedin redistribution of severed column loads, mostly to the columns adjacent to the impact zones. The hat truss resisted the downward movement of the North wall, and rotated about the East-West axis.
•As a result of the aircraft impact damage, the North and South walls each carried about 7 percent less gravity loads after impact, and the East and West walls each carried about 7 percent more loads. The core carried about 1 percent more gravity loads after impact.

2.Effects of Subsequent Fires and Impact Damaged Fireproofing:
A.Thermal Weakening of the Core:
•The undamaged core columns developed high plastic and creep strains over the duration the building stood, since both temperatures and stresses were high in the core area. The plastic and creep strains exceeded thermal expansion in the core columns.
•The shortening of the core columns (due to plasticity and creep)was resisted by the hat truss which unloaded the core over time and redistributed loads to perimeter walls.
•As a result of the thermal weakening (and subsequent to impact and prior to inward bowing of the South wall), the North and South walls each carried about10 percent more gravity loads, and the East and West walls each carried about 25 percentmore loads. The core carried about 20 percent less gravity loads after thermal weakening.
B.Thermal Weakening of the Floors:
•Floors 95 to 99 weakened with increasing temperatures over time on the long-span floors and sagged. The floors sagged first and then contracted due to cooling on the North side; fires reached the South side later, the floors sagged, and the seat connections weakened.
•Floor sagging induced inward pull forces on the South wall columns.
•About 20 percent of the connections to the South perimeter wall on floors 97 and 98 failed due to thermal weakening of the vertical supports.

C.Thermal Weakening of the South Wall:
•South wall columns bowed inward as they were subjected to high temperatures and inward pull forces in addition to axial loads.
•Inward bowing of the South wall columns increased with time.

3.Collapse Initiation
•The inward bowing of the South wall induced column instability, which progressed rapidly horizontally across the entire South face.
•The South wall unloaded and tried to redistribute the loads via the hat truss to the thermally weakened core and via the spandrels to the adjacent East and West walls.
•The entire section of the building above the impact zone began tilting as a rigid block (all four faces; not only the bowed and buckled South face) to the South (at least about 8º) as column instability progressed rapidly from the South wall along the adjacent East and West walls.
•The change in potential energy due to downward movement of building mass above the buckled columns exceeded the strain energy that could be absorbed by the structure. Global collapse then ensued.

Here is the report that you say supports your claims. Show me where.

Probable Collapse Sequence for WTC 2 Probable Collapse Sequence for WTC 2
1.Aircraft Impact Damage:
•Aircraft impact severed a number of exterior columns on the South wall from floors 78 to 84, and the wall section above the impact zone moved downward.
•After breaching the building’s perimeter, the aircraft continuedto penetrate into the building, severing floor framing and core columns at the Southeast corner of the core. Fireproofing was damaged from the impact area through the East half of the core up to the North and East perimeter walls. The floor truss seat connections over about 1/4to 1/2 of the East side of the core were severed on floors 80 and 81 and over about 1/3 of the East perimeter wall on floor 83.
•Aircraft impact severed a few columns near the East corner of the North wall between floors 80 and 82.
•The impact damage to the exterior walls resulted in redistribution of severed column loads, mostly to the columns adjacent to the impact zones. The impact damage to the core columns resulted in redistribution of severed column loads mostly to other intact core columns and the East exterior wall. The hat truss resisted the downward movementof the South wall, and rotated about the East-West axis.
•As a result of the aircraft impact damage, the core carried 6 percent less gravity loads after impact and the North face carried 10 percent less loads. The East face carried 24 percent more gravity load, while the West face and the South face carried 3 percent and 2 percent more gravity load, respectively.
•After impact, the core was leaning toward the East and South perimeter walls. The perimeter walls acted to restrain the core structure.

2.Effects of Subsequent Fires and Impact Damaged Fireproofing:
A.Thermal Weakening of the Core:
•Several of the undamaged core columns near the damaged and severed core columns developed high plastic and creep strains over the duration the building stood, since both temperatures and stresses were high in the core area. The plastic and creep strains exceeded thermal expansion in the core columns.
•The core continued to tilt toward the East and South due to the combination of column shortening (due to plasticity, creep, and buckling) and the failure of column splices at the hat truss in the Southeast corner.
•As a result of thermal weakening (and subsequent to impact), theEast wall carried about 5 percent more gravity loads and the core carried about 2 percent less loads. The other three walls carried between 0 and 3 percent less loads.
B.Thermal Weakening of the Floors:
•Floors 79 to 83 weakened with increasing temperatures over time on the long-span floors on the East side and sagged.
•Floor sagging induced inward pull forces on the East wall columns.
•About an additional 1/3 of the connections to the East perimeterwall on floor 83 failed due to thermal weakening of the vertical supports.
C.Thermal Weakening of the East Wall:
•East wall columns bowed inward as they were subjected to high temperatures and inward pull forces in addition to axial loads.
•Inward bowing of the East wall columns increased with time.

3.Collapse Initiation
•The inward bowing of the East wall induced column instability, which progressed rapidly horizontally across the entire East face.
•The East wall unloaded and tried to redistribute the loads via the hat truss to the weakened core and via the spandrels to the adjacent North and South walls.
•The entire section of the building above the impact zone began tilting as a rigid block (all four faces; not only the bowed and buckled East face) to the East (about 7ºto 8º) and South (about 3ºto 4º) as column instability progressed rapidly from the East wall along the adjacent North and South walls. The building section above impact continued to rotate to the East as it began to fall downward, and rotated to at least 20 to 25 degrees.
•The change in potential energy due to downward movement of building mass above the buckled columns exceeded the strain energy that could be absorbed by the structure. Global collapse then ensued.

Go ahead show me where the NIST concluded that the plane strike did not contribute to the collapse of the building.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Maybe, just maybe, KharmaDog is a child. He debates to make himself feel better. Obviously, he has zero skill in debating what-so-ever.

Assumptions assumptions. Because you say so does not make it so. Your points that I am a child and have zero skill in debating are countered by the fact that I communicate with more skill than that of a child and have debated far superior menbers at this forum than you.

It is also interesting how you talk about me in the third person to avoid direct contact and dedicate entire posts to me.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
For instance,whenever a point is brough up, He Declares it's wrong. He fails to: Explain why it's wrong, Or offer a new point, that refutes the original one. Instead he talks about grammer, how sad.

Once again, repeating yourself does not make it so. If you refuse to look at past posting histories then start a thread wher we may begin a new debate.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah he must be related to those other two chidren LMM and Darth Krieger.

Excellent contribution.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
LMM and darth; Their not as bad as kharma.

The insults continue.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I added on to my last post,read on.

Once agin, you make a fool out of youself when you say,"
because he at least doesnt keep stating the official version over and over again and go into these kiddie tantrems those 3 do when they are losing a debate
".

More than once I have shown you as to why your accusations that I believe the "official story of Sept. 11th to be faulty, but you you ignore the posts for some reason. Most likely because it would cause you to think and reevalute both your perception of me and your arguments.

As for going into tantrums, that is an exageration as is the accusation that I have ever lost a debate to either you, Deano or Ashtar.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

First of all, you confuse "facts" with "evidence". Second of all, if you took the time to read past threads and posts, you would see why members like Gav and others often compliment me on giving sound arguments. This accusation of yours does not hold water.

Actually,it does, Eyewitness accounts would be evidence, something like a building free falling is a fact. Seeing how it was mathematically calculated, but according to you it didn't, what proof did you offer, NONE

Originally posted by KharmaDog

Once again, if you paid attention, you would see where I disagree with the official story and why. You would also read my elaborations on said subject.

Didn't bother, frankly your post don't really concern me. you don't offer anything, but grammatical errors.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

You just started bashing me AGAIN. Anyone who has read your posting history can see that that's what you do. I have not attacked you on this thread, I asked a simple question. You are on the attack. The hypocrisy astounds.

So,, when you call me a COWARD Right off the bat, your not bashing?

Originally posted by KharmaDog

Once again, you confuse "opinion" with "fact".


Once again you don't elaborate.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

Although I throw the occasional barb, I do much more than that. I have also garnered much more respect in this forum than you have received regarding viewpoints, presentation, and basic posting history. As for the grammar, your's is offensive, especially when you try to sound smart. It is also humorous that you confuse grammar with comprehension and the fact that you even spelled grammar wrong is funny.

My main point in such criticisms is that one who takes so little interest and effort in intelligently expressing themselves probably lacks the necessary tools to argue intelligently.

Respect on an internet forum 😆 you really make me laugh you know,you spend more time critisizing gramer than actually elaborating a point.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

Actually I just explained myself. What is lame is how quickly you jump to conclusions and how you are unable to notice or take responsibility for that. In an earlier debate I jumped to the conclusion that you believed bombs initiated the collapse of the twin towers. I admitted that I was wrong in that conclusion and asked you to elaborate.

No point in elaborating, point is kharmaDog, I've seen how you debate: You critique grammer, and never make eleaborations, waste of my time.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

Not only did you not elaborate, but you continued to point out a mistake that I made and ridicule me for it though I had taken responsibility for it and that you continued to jump to conclusions. You also continue to insult repeatedly and use straw man tactics.

Actually, I told you before, I did not know the reason for the collapse, and you say I don't read your post.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

So please, explain what you think caused the collapse of the twin towers, and please stop the strawman tactic and repeating yourself.

I already, answered I didn't know, yet you asked me. your a waste to debate, it's pointless.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

So,, when you call me a COWARD Right off the bat, your not bashing?

I already, answered I didn't know, yet you asked me. your a waste to debate, it's pointless. [/B]

yep up to his usual memory problems as usual,forgets that he bashed you first and acts innocent as always and whines about being bashed. 🙄

Ashtar,I thought you already knew that it was explosives that caused it? thats all been documented countless of times by the experts.so how come your saying you dont know? 😕

Originally posted by LMM
Buildings are not specifically designed to withstand the impact of fuel-laden commercial airliners. While documents from The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ) indicate that the impact of a Boeing 707 flying at 600 mph, possibly crashing into the 80thfloor, was analyzed during the design of the WTC towers in February/March 1964, the effect of the subsequent fires was not considered. Building codes do not require building designs to consider aircraft impact.

That's a blantant lie, the structural designer himself said the towers could survive the force of a plane, and let's not forgetboth FEMA And NSIT have concluded a plane was not enough to bring the buildings down. let's not forget also The Twin Towers exploded into dust and shattered steel, and you claim a plane did that?

Originally posted by LMM

[B]The load conditions induced by aircraft impacts and the extensive fires on September 11, 2001, which triggered the collapse of the WTC towers, fall outside thenorm of design loads considered in building codes.

Causing them to free fall with no resistance from 47 STEEL COLUMNS

Originally posted by LMM

[B]Fires played a major role in further reducing the structural capacity of the buildings, initiating collapse. While aircraft impact damage did not, by itself, initiate building collapse, it contributed greatly to the subsequent fires and the thermal response of the structuresby:
•Compromising the sprinkler and water supply systems;
•Dispersing jet fuel and igniting building contents over large areas;
•Creating large accumulations of combustible matter containing aircraft debris and building contents;
•Increasing the air supply into the damaged buildings that permitted significantly higher energy release rates than would normally be seen in ventilation limited building fires, allowing the fires to spread rapidly on multiplefloors;
•Damaging and dislodging fireproofing from structural components in the direct path of the debris and due to the strong vibrations generated by aircraft impact; and
•Damaging ceilings that enabled “unabated” heat transport over the floor-to-ceiling partition walls and to structural components.

Nowhere does it say that only fires caused the collapsed of the towers, but the combined structural damage and the ensuing fires. It specifically says the airplane strike contributed to the collapse..

The combined, fire isn't hot enough to melt or weaken steel to the point of collapse, nor does the account of the plane apply to WTC 7. Let's not forget jet fuel doesn't expand enough to crystallize debris or has the force to shred steel, yet, these things happened on 911

Originally posted by LMM

2.Effects of Subsequent Fires and Impact Damaged Fireproofing:
A.Thermal Weakening of the Core:
•The undamaged core columns developed high plastic and creep strains over the duration the building stood, since both temperatures and stresses were high in the core area. The plastic and creep strains exceeded thermal expansion in the core columns.
•The shortening of the core columns (due to plasticity and creep)was resisted by the hat truss which unloaded the core over time and redistributed loads to perimeter walls.
•As a result of the thermal weakening (and subsequent to impact and prior to inward bowing of the South wall), the North and South walls each carried about10 percent more gravity loads, and the East and West walls each carried about 25 percentmore loads. The core carried about 20 percent less gravity loads after thermal weakening.
B.Thermal Weakening of the Floors:
•Floors 95 to 99 weakened with increasing temperatures over time on the long-span floors and sagged. The floors sagged first and then contracted due to cooling on the North side; fires reached the South side later, the floors sagged, and the seat connections weakened.
•Floor sagging induced inward pull forces on the South wall columns.
•About 20 percent of the connections to the South perimeter wall on floors 97 and 98 failed due to thermal weakening of the vertical supports.
The official theory is even more decisively ruled out by the fact that the collapses were total: These 110-story buildings collapsed into piles of rubble only a few stories high.... The core of each tower contained 47 massive steel box columns. According to the pancake theory, the horizontal steel supports broke free from the vertical columns. But if that is what had happened, the 47 core columns would have still been standing. The 9/11 Commission came up with a bold solution to this problem. It simply denied the existence of the 47 core columns, saying: “The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in which elevators and stairwells were

Originally posted by LMM

C.Thermal Weakening of the South Wall:
•South wall columns bowed inward as they were subjected to high temperatures and inward pull forces in addition to axial loads.
•Inward bowing of the South wall columns increased with time.

3.Collapse Initiation
•The inward bowing of the South wall induced column instability, which progressed rapidly horizontally across the entire South face.
•The South wall unloaded and tried to redistribute the loads via the hat truss to the thermally weakened core and via the spandrels to the adjacent East and West walls.
•The entire section of the building above the impact zone began tilting as a rigid block (all four faces; not only the bowed and buckled South face) to the South (at least about 8º) as column instability progressed rapidly from the South wall along the adjacent East and West walls.
•The change in potential energy due to downward movement of building mass above the buckled columns exceeded the strain energy that could be absorbed by the structure. Global collapse then ensued.

Here is the report that you say supports your claims. Show me where. [/B]

So, explain why the columns were standing, if a pancake collapse had happned, BTW?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yep up to his usual memory problems as usual,forgets that he bashed you first and acts innocent as always and whines about being bashed. 🙄

Ashtar,I thought you already knew that it was explosives that caused it? thats all been documented countless of times by the experts.so how come your saying you dont know? 😕

I heard that theory, just not sure to believe it. Explosives don't explain the massive heat. However, I have heard a theory about a small nuclear device, which kinda makes because it explains, why the steel and concrete disintegrated.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yep because thats something he for sure knows nothing about.Obviously he is NOT aware of what a structural engineer is.this dude has seriously been brainwashed by the governments lies that this Monero Yamasaki guy was the designer.Robertson is the designer as we both know and he even went on video to interview people telling him how it was designed to to not fall from a hit from a jerliner.

Ok, you really lost it, I just gave you a credible source saying he was, and now your saying it's GOVERNMENT LIES!!!!

You should stop posting, you only help us prove our points, you ask us to provide these huge pages of evidence, yet why should we? You'll just discredit it the same way GOVERNMENT LIES FANTASY WORLD!

Originally posted by Mr Parker
[QUOTE=7123239]Originally posted by David Tsarion
[B]well bush talks bout the New World Order too, and he's really a lunatic 😄

Indeed.great point.Bush does indeed talk about The New World Order as well and is indeed a lunatic. 😄 and unlike Jones,he's also a dangerous and evil one.

You took Bush's phrase too literally, his meaning was there would be justice, and the innocents would not be taken over by the slime of the world *cough cough* Saddam Hussein

Even when Evidence is brought up you dismiss it as GOVERNMENT LIES! And you also say every 5 posts, there's no point in debating us, yet you still do time and time again.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Even when Evidence is brought up you dismiss it as GOVERNMENT LIES! And you also say every 5 posts, there's no point in debating us, yet you still do time and time again.

Because none of these threads are started by any of you, that's why we still respond.

aNd you do ignore what we post, like when I was talking about North American Union.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Eyewitness accounts would be evidence

Disputeable evidence depending on the condition of the witness, the history of the witness, the variation in testimony between that witness and others and mental and environmental conditions that the witness was experiencing during the event.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
something like a building free falling is a fact

No it is not.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Didn't bother, frankly your post don't really concern me. you don't offer anything, but grammatical errors.

So my posts don't concern you enough to read what I actually say, but concern you enough for you to criticise what you think I believe? You cannot debate a person if you do not know their position, you haven't taken the time to do even that.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So,, when you call me a [B] COWARD Right off the bat, your not bashing?[/B]

I did not call you a coward. Remember comprehension.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Once again you don't elaborate.

Opinion and fact are not the same. That is not a point that can be elaborated, or at least shouldn't have to be.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Respect on an internet forum 😆 you really make me laugh you know,you spend more time critisizing gramer than actually elaborating a point.

Like this clear elaboration above?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No point in elaborating, point is kharmaDog, I've seen how you debate: You critique grammer, and never make eleaborations, waste of my time.

You continually accuse me of not elaborating on a subject, then outrightly refuse to elaborate on anything yourself. Do you see the problem there?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Actually, I told you before, I did not know the reason for the collapse, and you say I don't read your post.

I did not ask you what you knew. I asked you what you think might have happened. Comprehension.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I already, answered I didn't know, yet you asked me. your a waste to debate, it's pointless.

Once again, not what you know, what you think.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yep up to his usual memory problems as usual,forgets that he bashed you first and acts innocent as always and whines about being bashed. 🙄

I did not call him a coward, and aren't you supposed to be ignoring me?

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Ashtar,I thought you already knew that it was explosives that caused it? thats all been documented countless of times by the experts.so how come your saying you dont know? 😕

Perhaps he realizes that your experts are anything but.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I have heard a theory about a small nuclear device, which kinda makes because it explains, why the steel and concrete disintegrated.

But what about the radiation that would result from such an explosion? Please also define "a small nuclear device". How can you even consider such a proposal?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Disputeable evidence depending on the condition of the witness, the history of the witness, the variation in testimony between that witness and others and mental and environmental conditions that the witness was experiencing during the event.

Cool, you completely missed the point, I was stating that eyewitness accounts are considered eveidence, and not facts.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

No it is not.

No elaboration on how, as usual.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

So my posts don't concern you enough to read what I actually say, but concern you enough for you to criticise what you think I believe? You cannot debate a person if you do not know their position, you haven't taken the time to do even that.

Just like the above post, you make a claim, yet, you do not elaborate why you made this statement or how it counters my claim. unless you belive saying "No, it's not" speaks for itself, it's a waste of my time.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

I did not call you a coward. Remember comprehension.

Orly, so what's this?

Originally posted by KharmaDog

Excellent avoidance technique. (sarcasm) Cowardly, though. (not sarcasm)

Originally posted by KharmaDog

Opinion and fact are not the same. That is not a point that can be elaborated, or at least shouldn't have to be.

FACT:the Towers fell very rapidly to the ground, with the upper part falling nearly as fast as ejected debris which provide free-fall references Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum ? That is, as upper-falling floors strike

lower floors and intact steel support columns the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. If the central support columns remained standing (which they did), then the effective resistive mass would be less, but this is not the case – somehow the enormous support columns failed/disintegrated along with the falling floor pans

Your counter: "It didn't fall to fast"

Yours seems like an opinion, especially considering you did not elaborate.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

Like this clear elaboration above?

What should I have elaborated, why I don't care about respect in a internet forum?

Originally posted by KharmaDog

You continually accuse me of not elaborating on a subject, then outrightly refuse to elaborate on anything yourself. Do you see the problem there?

Like when I elaborated: why the building fell to fast or the problems with the official story, the only thing I haven't said was what I think the cause was, because I don't know, fools argument.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

I did not ask you what you knew. I asked you what you think might have happened. Comprehension.

You already formulated what I thought happened, the bombs right. 😆

Originally posted by KharmaDog

But what about the radiation that would result from such an explosion? Please also define "a small nuclear device". How can you even consider such a proposal?

Waste of time, debating someone like you, comprehension. 😆