Semptember the 11th

Originally posted by S.C.U.D DF
Sad man. 80% of america think's these are our last day's. It's not. Yes we are in trouble. But we need to do something about this. They are trying to scare us. **** them. They want to take your freedom. They want you dead. We need to stand strong against this threat. We may not all be of the same religion or race. But we all took an oath as an american's to pledge our allegience to our motherland. We all live in the same land, we breath the same air. We are American's. We are home of the FREE. No matter who the President, who the congress or how government act's. We as American people have shed blood sweat and tear's for this country. DONT HIDE. STAND UP.

Those of you that have Kid's. Think about your child. Think about how your childhood was. We need to teach our kid's of were we came from. Those of us that have Children have a reason to fight. It's no longer about us. It's about our CHILDREN now. Our children are going to die painfully if we dont open our eye's. What about Brother's in Arm's. We are all brother's. We are Family. It is our JOB to pave a road for our kid's.

War will happen. People will die. But we must live on.

well done.The people that defend the official version and still defend it are living in denial and are hiding.They need to stand up and stop being afraid of the truth.thats what they count on is people being too afraid to stand up and live in denail on it.

Originally posted by Deano
both bin laden pictures are from 2001. so you can take your argument back

from the same video as yours

they look like the same person to me

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You mean that well educated, well trained, financially backed man? You made that point earlier and I made you look like a dumbass. Do I have to go through old posts again Deano?

who created bin laden?

it simply is not possible to hijack planes in us air space and then fly them around unchallenged for an hour. osama bin laden is the 'patsy' simple as.

the bin laden and the 19 terrorists official story has become the official "history" not by evidence, but by constant repetition.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/icke.html

The idea that this guy from the mountains of Afghanistan with far more mouth than substance could be the "Mr. Big" of this enormous operation is utterly insulting to anyone of even basic intelligence. the bin laden and the 19 terrorists official story has become the official "history" not by evidence, but by constant repetition.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah I remember reading somewhere that the majority of people in the world do not believe the official 9-11 story and believe it was an inside job as well.Great to see that there are lost of people waking up to that great lie. 💃

Funny, I'd think most people would believe that a terrorist organization planned, plotted and carried out the attacks. As that makes far more sense and the evidence is far more reputable than the fringe flock of people that believe some super secret omnipotent group faked all the passenger plane tickets, planted timed charges in the towers, fired a missile at the pentagon and then covered it all up and silenced everyone involved. We need Fox Mulder on this one!

Originally posted by Deano
who created bin laden?

it simply is not possible to hijack planes in us air space and then fly them around unchallenged for an hour. osama bin laden is the 'patsy' simple as.

the bin laden and the 19 terrorists official story has become the official "history" not by evidence, but by constant repetition.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/icke.html

Umm, you do realize that successful hijackings have happened in the past right? Also take into account that the security measures on an airplane were no where near as 'tight' pre 9/11 as they are post.

Originally posted by grey fox
What truth ? The truth that most people are too damn ignorant and stupid to understand the basic facts of what happened and believe that SOMEHOW an entire government was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less.

Not taking into account the ..well let the image explain .

yeah that first paragraph is a very accurate way of saying it.That sums it up very well.

and to address that paragraph,thats just the thing.Not everybody did remain silent about it.There were many whistle blowers that came out who had prior knowledge of the attacks before it happened months in advance but they were ignored by their superiors.FBI agents went to John Ash-croft warning him about it.He wouldn't give them the time of day.Bush also threatened these FBI agents with arrest when they approached him with evidence they had that their would be terrorist attacks against the towers.Bush ignored multiple warnings by the British secret service and french intelligence as well when they begged him to listen to them.Not to mention that flight controllers at the airports in new york have said they had anonymous warnings given to them beforehand but they could not take them seriously since they anonymous which is standard procedure and that standard normal protocol procedures to intercept the airliners also was not followed that day because they were ordered to stand down. So they obviously did have whistle blowers who didnt keep it a secret.

What I find funny, people that call Bush a lowbrow buffoon, barely having the intelligence to wipe his own arse and then simultaneously link him to what would be the most extensive and prefectly executed cover-up in world history... Either he's a booger eating idiot or he's a criminal mastermind of comic book proportions, can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Robtard
Umm, you do realize that successful hijackings have happened in the past right? Also take into account that the security measures on an airplane were no where near as 'tight' pre 9/11 as they are post.

yeah successful hijackings have taken place before but there has never been a case where they were allowed to fly around for an hour anywhere near airspace and then be allowed to ram them into towers. 🙄 Like I said,Standard NORAD airspace patrols in new york and washington were totally ignored that day because they were told to stand down by their superiours.and the fact that nobody was fired instead of having multiple firings and heads rolling like their should have been and instead they had the audacity to promote these people instead makes it obvious that this was just a case of incompetence by these orchestraters.again,as I said before,there were whistle blowers that came forward whose warnings were ignored by their superiours.I was going to say ignorantly ignored,but again its obvious that it wasnt just mere incompetence.Treason is what it was.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah successful hijackings have taken place before but there has never been a case where they were allowed to fly around for an hour anywhere near airspace and then be allowed to ram them into towers. 🙄 Like I said,Standard NORAD airspace patrols in new york and washington were totally ignored that day because they were told to stand down by their superiours.and the fact that nobody was fired instead of having multiple firings and heads rolling like their should have been and instead they had the audacity to promote these people instead makes it obvious that this was just a case of incompetence by these orchestraters.again,as I said before,there were whistle blowers that came forward whose warnings were ignored by their superiours.I was going to say ignorantly ignored,but again its obvious that it wasnt just mere incompetence.Treason is what it was.

And there is valid proof that these "NORAD airspace patrols in new york and washington" were ignored? Oh, doesn't NORAD protect and monitor against military threats, such as missiles, enemy fire jets etc and not commercial flights?

There is a conspiracy, but it isn't what you think. Were there warnings beforehand,that if taken seriously the attacks or some of the attacks could have been stopped? Possibly, but people "dropping the ball" and it being covered up to save face is an entirely different animal than what you and Deano talk about.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah successful hijackings have taken place before but there has never been a case where they were allowed to fly around for an hour anywhere near airspace and then be allowed to ram them into towers. 🙄 Like I said,Standard NORAD airspace patrols in new york and washington were totally ignored that day because they were told to stand down by their superiours.and the fact that nobody was fired instead of having multiple firings and heads rolling like their should have been and instead they had the audacity to promote these people instead makes it obvious that this was just a case of incompetence by these orchestraters.again,as I said before,there were whistle blowers that came forward whose warnings were ignored by their superiours.I was going to say ignorantly ignored,but again its obvious that it wasnt just mere incompetence.Treason is what it was.

you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about...NORAD's air monitoring capabilities are outward looking...meaning that the monitor external threats heading towards the US

they actually got reports from the civil aviation authorities that made them scramble fighters from langley and falmouth

these are the facts

On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

Bin Laden had the intelligence/power/money to orchestrate this.

Terrorists have taken Planes before, they have flown in ISRAELI airspace, don't know if you know this, but Israel is the least likely to stand down, except of course Dictatorships

Also another well known thing, Terrorists threats are sent to the President daily, 99.9999% of the time they have no backing, why would something threatened to be this big have anymore, we're the invincible USA, we're safe here(yet sadly people do still think this, 9/11 was too small to wake people up to the threat of Terrorists/enemy Nations), yes it was a screw-up, but in no way any Government involvement.

We had Fighters up, they were ready to shoot down those Planes, but our friends at NORAD thought they were doing what almost every Terrorist who hijacks a Plane does, Negotiate for the Surrender of this person, give us this, pull out of there, etc etc. They did not expect those Planes to be used as weapons

Also, the Towers had the ability to fall, I had the source from Wiki, that linked to a NIST site, but it mysteriously was deleted, no doubt because Conspiracy Theorists are Vandalizing it, but let me give you the rundown, the Planes knocked down the support structures, causing the building above to sink in, and had the Planes not knocked the structures out of Place, they would have been able to hold up the building

WTC7 was right under 1 and 2, the falling debries damaged it, as well as several buildings around it, whether or not they brought it down with explosives after that is irrelevent, no one was in the building, and according to Firefighters, they left because it was too dangerous to stay.

Originally posted by Deano
its from the mainstream though. and i did read it. i assumed you wanted to know if the picture is real.

I would like to see where it originally appeared.

Originally posted by Deano
who created bin laden?

Probably mommy bin laden and daddy bin laden. But seriously. Once again you go to that "no man in a cave could orchestrate this" defense and it's bullsh*t' I have shown you this man's education, intelligence and history before and it shut you up for a while, that is until you think that no one who saw that before is listening, and then you spout the same old conspiracy rhetoric again. It's just pathetic.

Originally posted by Deano
it simply is not possible to hijack planes in us air space and then fly them around unchallenged for an hour.

Many planes have been hijacked in the states and around the world and have flown around for longer than an hour. You are wrong.

Originally posted by Deano
osama bin laden is the 'patsy' simple as.

You are deluded.

Originally posted by Deano
the bin laden and the 19 terrorists official story has become the official "history" not by evidence, but by constant repetition.

Why type someone else' thought and then quote them right afterwards? Think for yourself. What is funny is that you (as shown in the example above, constantly repeat something and hope it sticks.

You have done this before when ever you call people sheep.
When you use the "bin laden's just a man in a cave" argument.
When you post the misquoted qords of fireman from 911.
and on many more occasions.

You repeat arguments, get corrected then repeat them later. You are a joke, and an ever increasingly large hypocrite.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
You repeat arguments, get corrected then repeat them later. You are a joke, and an ever increasingly large hypocrite.

**** MY EYES I CAN'T SEE DAMN THESE CONTACTS

I think certain figures of power in our Government had fore-knowledge of the attack and kept quiet about it to make sure that it would happen,therefore giving them an excuse to carry out there plan's of world power.

Do I think they planted Detonation Devices in the 2 Tower's and WTC 7...no I don't because it's practically impossible to do with out someone noticing and would require dozen's of people to carry out the plan.

Do I think there was a missle that hit the Pentagon ....NO I don't simply because it's way to risky to use a missle in such a highly populated area,there are to many witness.All it would take is 1 person to get a picture of it on a camera then there cover would be blown.

The only conspiracy is the fact that Certain people knew the attack was coming and took full advantage of there power's to make sure that it wasnt stopped...example is NORAD standing down.

Originally posted by jaden101
from the same video as yours

they look like the same person to me

In my view, people looking for alternative sources as to who was responsible for 9/11 have too much time on their hands

Conspiracys point to two things: paranoia and reading into things

I don't say this to cause conflict, but Deano said that everyone can believe what they want, only to then say those people who oppose his theories are "sheep" or "need eye tests"

I mean no arguement or debate, as I am a friend of Deano's, but I just disagree with his views, but such is the power of opinion

As far as i'm concerned, 9/11 was a terrorist attack orchestrated by Bin Laden and the Al-Qaeda.....simple as that!! But this is my view, my opinion, and I sure as hell do not wish to force it onto people

Originally posted by lord xyz
That's because they are the same person. Oh my god, you really are stupid aren't you.

apparently so

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I would like to see where it originally appeared.

Probably mommy bin laden and daddy bin laden. But seriously. Once again you go to that "no man in a cave could orchestrate this" defense and it's bullsh*t' I have shown you this man's education, intelligence and history before and it shut you up for a while, that is until you think that no one who saw that before is listening, and then you spout the same old conspiracy rhetoric again. It's just pathetic.

yeh the cia taught him you idiot. and you are a hypocrite for saying that i spout the same stuff yet you also rant on repeating yourself all the time.

Many planes have been hijacked in the states and around the world and have flown around for longer than an hour. You are wrong.

can you provide a link to that please

You are deluded.

sure

Why type someone else' thought and then quote them right afterwards? Think for yourself. What is funny is that you (as shown in the example above, constantly repeat something and hope it sticks.

You have done this before when ever you call people sheep.
When you use the "bin laden's just a man in a cave" argument.
When you post the misquoted qords of fireman from 911.
and on many more occasions.

You repeat arguments, get corrected then repeat them later. You are a joke, and an ever increasingly large hypocrite.

nothing is misquoted. there is even an audio tape for godsake. i havent used the sheep term as often as u want people to believe. and for everytime you say i called you a sheep, i bet i can find a million quotes off you and others who have insulted me in the usual sheep(whoops) manner.
you only think i get corrected because you have your little buddys to back you up. doesnt make it correct.

Originally posted by Mattomic
In my view, people looking for alternative sources as to who was responsible for 9/11 have too much time on their hands

Conspiracys point to two things: paranoia and reading into things

I don't say this to cause conflict, but Deano said that everyone can believe what they want, only to then say those people who oppose his theories are "sheep" or "need eye tests"

I mean no arguement or debate, as I am a friend of Deano's, but I just disagree with his views, but such is the power of opinion

As far as i'm concerned, 9/11 was a terrorist attack orchestrated by Bin Laden and the Al-Qaeda.....simple as that!! But this is my view, my opinion, and I sure as hell do not wish to force it onto people

so what you are saying is that it is wrong to seek alternative information and that we must only hear the official story?

unbelievable

perfect example of how the few can control the many