http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OJIMbBcZgwc
bigfoot
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mSOvS4-bgl0
nessie
wow...i can prove anything using video footage
Originally posted by Mr Parker
okay for all the idiots out there afraid of the truth and still living in denial that it was an inside job by the government who ignore the overwhelming evidence that bombs were planted in the towers such as the DVD'S that are out there showing firefighters say that the fires were relatively small fires that they felt they could contain and put them out in a short time,and then shortly before the towers fell you hear them yelling out-oh my god.explosions are going off,or ignoring facts that the controversy started because hundereds of demolition experts around the country have insisted those towers falling were the results of demolitions which is obvious from the bangs and squibs you see in the towers,or the willam rodriguez story-just google in willie rodriguez,or the fact that many witnesses who were there in 93 when explosions went off in the towers back then as well said they knew immediately it was explosions going off in the towers because it was the same sounds they heard back then,or ignores facts that witnesses in the towers reported hearing explosions going on BEFORE the planes struck the buildings and withnesses who reported feeling vibrations under the street before the planes struck resulting from the underground explosions in the basement willie rodriguez and others have reported that the government ignores here in the states but around the world they DO report it,or that never in the history of mankind has a steel tower fell due to burning fire,something else that has never been mentioned on this thread that proves beyond a doubt that bombs WERE set off in the towers,actually TWO things need to be mentioned that prove that.first,there were body parts found and burned to death miles away from the towers,something that would NEVER happen from just a mere collapse of a tower,
second-thousands of new yorkers that were there at ground zero have died from asbestos a harmful chemical that they inhaled that day.Never in the history of mankind have people who survived a building collapse or a plane crash,died from asbestos,they got those harmful toxins in their body from the explosions of the bombs.
You guys who STILL defend the official version after this, are obviously still in denial and afraid of the truth which is pathetic.
This is the post that got this thread back from the dead and resurrected again to the top starting this discussion again.this is all the evidence in the world that there was a government conspiracy and coverup,you can either choose to accept it or live in denial about it.also its a well known fact David Schippers, the attorney who tried to get clinton impeached for the Lewinsky scandal, put his life on the line by saying FBI agents approached him and wanted to represent their case to the justice department, that they had information there were going to be terrorists attacks against the towers and they got frustrated because their FBI superiours wouldnt listen to them,and then afterwards,were threatened by George Bush with arrest if they tried to stop them.so Schippers took this information to attorney General John Ashcroft who told Schippers he would get back to him on it but never did.
Anybody who knows anything about David Schippers, knows he is an honest and honerable man.not to mention firefighters and police officers have had death threats given to their familys if they speak out about explosions going off in the towers. AGAIN,just view that canada truth link and get videos from there if you want to know the truth,its that simple.just accept it that it was the CIA/MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.you live in denial about it,your playing their game they want you to play.
Originally posted by Classic NES
You don't even have to bother, Mr. Parker. The fact that they used fake videos is proof enough.
yeah that and the eyewitness reports such as willie rodriguez hearing bombs go off in the basement BEFORE the plane struck the first tower in the basement below and the mainstream media ignoring these stories and destroying the evidence IMMEDIATELY after the towers collapsed is all the evidence in the world right there it was a conspiracy and coverup.as i said,they got two choices,keep living in fear like they want you to do and be one of their apologists defending their lies no matter how ludicrise it is,or accept it and spread the word.Its encouraging that recently,more and more knowledgeable people like stickman and Katsu have come to the conspiracy section recently that have done their homework. the thing thats encouraging to me is not only that,but more and more people are waking up to this all the time. Proof of that is a couple of years ago,Grand Moff was like Jaden and we argued with him about this as well as you already know.NOW thanks to his professor,he is no longer asleep on this issue anymore.Just 16% of the population now accept the official version.
Like i said,that above post of mine plus what you said,is proof of a government conspiracy and coverup,they got the choice to either remain asleep or accept the facts that they have been brainwashed.all they got to dos is study the Bush family and their history and NONE of this would be surprising to them. 🙄
Originally posted by Furion
Box Cutters aren't going to kill anyone. They're not that long and plus if someone was stabbed the rest of the people would be all over him.
right on,I cant help but laugh everytime someone swallows that garbage that they accomplished the feat with box cutters and overpowered themn with that and that it was all orchestrated from a madman in a cave in afghanistan.. 😆 😆 🤣 😆
Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah that and the eyewitness reports such as willie rodriguez hearing bombs go off in the basement BEFORE the plane struck the first tower in the basement below and the mainstream media ignoring these stories and destroying the evidence IMMEDIATELY after the towers collapsed is all the evidence in the world right there it was a conspiracy and coverup.as i said,they got two choices,keep living in fear like they want you to do and be one of their apologists defending their lies no matter how ludicrise it is,or accept it and spread the word.Its encouraging that recently,more and more knowledgeable people like stickman and Katsu have come to the conspiracy section recently that have done their homework. the thing thats encouraging to me is not only that,but more and more people are waking up to this all the time. Proof of that is a couple of years ago,Grand Moff was like Jaden and we argued with him about this as well as you already know.NOW thanks to his professor,he is no longer asleep on this issue anymore.Just 16% of the population now accept the official version.Like i said,that above post of mine plus what you said,is proof of a government conspiracy and coverup,they got the choice to either remain asleep or accept the facts that they have been brainwashed.all they got to dos is study the Bush family and their history and NONE of this would be surprising to them. 🙄
nothing you've ever posted has ever been proof of anything...it's what you believe...it's what other people have put on the internet that YOU blindly swallow as fact...i'm sure you can see the irony in that
i just try to show you how plainly idiotic your ideas are...your theories would require the 80,000 people who work in the towers to all consent and keep quiet about explosives being planted throughout the building...a job which would have taken months if not years to carry out...not to mention the videos which were supposedly evidence of explosions used to bring down the building being in non structural parts of the building
i've watched the conspiracy theories evolve time and time again when the original ideas were proved to be wrong beyond doubt
the strange thing is that now there is most likely massive amounts of faked evidence on the net that people have created to either prove or disprove different theories so "researching" using google is entirely pointless...thus the opinions of the independant academics who were involved in investigating the aftermath of the attacks are the ones who should be believed...and we all know where to find their ACTUAL research
i've seen the same old arguments trotted out such as "the designer of the buildings said they were designed to take the impact of a jet liner"...and yes...this is true...they were indeed...the biggest plane at the time in fact...which was substantially smaller the ones used in the attacks...also the buildings were designed to take the impact of an accidental collision...meaning slow speeds...as opposed to deliberately accelerating towards impact...and the basic laws of physics...double the mass...double the force...double the speed....quadruple the force
the biggest example of stupidity though is the insistance that the popular mechanics article and book on 9/11 is false because of who publishes it...how is this in anyway related to the fact that the people who conducted the research that the popular mechanics article is based or are completely independant from the publisher and in most cases completely independant from the government
the work of David Griffen has been shown to be flawed, biased and based on Thierry Meyssan who, by his own admission, never even visited the US while conducting research for his own work
then of course there was the "thermate" work of Steven Jones of BYU who's own collegues denounced his work
not to mention the conspiracy theorists who claim building 7 was demolished rather than collapsed...is that the same as st nicholas church and the north bridge which also collapsed that day without being hit by planes...or were they rigged with explosives as well?...if so for what purpose?
i could go on but quite frankly...i really cant be bothered going over it all again
Your right, there does exsist a massive amount of forged evidence supported by the alternative media:
Thermite- which is impossible, because it would have taken litterally tons of Thermite [Assuming it's even possible to make a batch of explosive Thermite] and would have been easily visible.
Molten Metal- Pure hoax, first of all if their was any molten steel laying around there would have been steam explosions. Firemen were spraying for days, since the area was so full of powerderisized material and hydrolics can't operate at high tempertures. So, it's impossible to have construction machinery around. Yet, Steven Jones posted a picture of a crane lifting red hot pices of molten steel.
There are tons of othere: Space Weaponry, Holograms, Plane Pods, and etc.
They are nothing but stupid theroies posted for the purpose of rousing unecessary debate and dis-info
That doesn't mean all theories are false.
Fact: Aluminum Planes cannot slice through steel Buildings and display impossible crash physics
Fact: those Video's are fake
Fact: Planes don't melt into buildings, they crash against them.
which is impossible, because it would have taken litterally tons of Thermite
thermite doesn't "explode" anyway...its a powder which burns because of a large surface area...essentially the alkali metals initiate a high enough temperature to ignite the aluminium content which then burns straight down...thermite cant be shaped to cut horizontally...it doesn't work that way...hence it cant be used to cut through the vertical beams as is suggested by some conspiracy theorists as the way in which beams were seperated
Aluminum Planes cannot slice through steel Buildings and display impossible crash physics
what logic or science are you employing with this point?...that a material of lower density cant pass through a material of higher density...well that's simply not the case is it...fence posts passing through concrete during tornados for example
those Video's are fake
i presume you mean the michael hezarkani footage...which looking at it...the conspiracy theorists claim that the building from his shot location dont match anywhere they could find in batter park where the footage was filmed...actually they do...the buildings match perfectly...they claim that the trees dont match because the footage they took in 2007...the trees are taller than in the footage michael recorded in 2001...hahaha...imagine that...trees being taller 6 years later....wow...great evidence eh
here's an overlap of the 2 pieces of footage to show what i mean
[QUOTE=10022110]Originally posted by jaden101
[B]nothing you've ever posted has ever been proof of anything...it's what you believe...it's what other people have put on the internet that YOU blindly swallow as fact...i'm sure you can see the irony in that
Yes,like ashtar said,Steven Jones is not someone that you can rely on for information.I never said I did.I gave you that link that has information that proves all this,just because your afraid of the truth and choose to ignore it doesnt mean its not proof. 🙄 also,I could list books that document and prove it all as well but your obviously still in denial on this issue and wont bother to read them so no sense in me listing these sources that prove this.EVERYTIME I have in that past challenged someone to read a certain book that proves and documents it and shreads to death the official version,they ignore it,never take me up on my challenge and get back to me on it and just say your full of crap without disproving the book at all..
actually most of my research is not based on the net,going by the net is a bad idea which is what you did with that article.LOL.Mine is mostly on books and testimonys from DVD'S out there which again you REALLY should check out and purchase from that link I provided that you conviently ignored..the ONLY one who has idiotic ideas are yourself.thats idiotic to say that it would require "80,OOO" people to work in the towers to do it. 😆 it would not take ANYWHERE near these kinds of numbers over a period of months.are you not aware that Bushs brother and cousin were in charge of security for the towers as well? obviously not. and obviously your extremely ignorant about the Bush family.LOL
you were accurate the first time,that it would take MONTHS to do it,not years,just a few months.this operation WAS planned for years by the way,you only listening to the governments version though and not bothering to read alternative newspapers out there committed to REAL news,you would obviously not know that though so there you go.
as far as the independent acedemics who were involved in the investigation of the aftermath? They are the ones that have disproved the offficial version that the towers collapsed due to a mere collision of a jet airliner.its only investigaters that have contracts to government firms who are defending the official version.
and wrong again as usual when your talking here about the smaller Boeing 757 or what ever the number was back then,it was only slightly smaller than the bigger 767 or whatever the number was that hit it and the smaller one was capable of traveling at speeds faster than the larger 767 which is why they designed it the way they did to withstand the highest speeds.your whole laughable theory of double the mass,accidental collisions,quadriple the force theory falls apart in a video made in 93 where one of the main designers of the towers is on that video from a taped inverview in 93 from the first bombing there,saying they were designed to take MULTIPLE hits from airliners and there would be some damage and a lot of people killed, but the towers would remain standing.
flawed,biased? yeah kinda like the popular mechanics article and book that griffith has actually shreaded to pieces in his books. 🙄 and Griffith has challenged the 9/11 commission and defenders of the official version to debate openly against him,something they refuse to do or even allow people like him to air their views in the mainstream news outlets.Also,peope like Bill O'Reily and other news outlets that DO let experts come on and criticise the 9/11 coverup commission,they attack people anytime they come ON their shows without allowing them to express their views or listen to their evidence.They go and cut to commericals really quick,I have SEEN THAT WITH MY OWN EYES.!!!!!the ONLY press covering this is the alternative newsources and radio programs,obviously your not aware of how the media is a tool for the government.how they never report REAL news such as government coverups. 🙄 congress discovered in the 70's that the CIA, through release of the freedom of information act,that CIA operatives penetrate news media organizations and all other kinds of organizations as well.
something that you COINCIDENCE theorists ignore is the evidence that bombs went off in that towers as well is that one of Giuliani's workers went inside building 7 just minutes before it came down and was on a cell phone talking to one of Giuliani's co workers telling him he was in his office but he could not find him and that nobody was there.He then went on to say the guy said over the radio-You mean nobodys there?
Get out of there now,that buildings going to collapse,get out now!!! he went on to yell in his cell phone.
well the guy tried to get down the stairwell but it was blocked and since he sensed the man was yelling with urgency in his voice,he knew he had to get out of there quickly so he smashed a window and jumped out of it just minutes before the building collapsed and he reported hearing explosions going off from below.hmm,this man someone is a clairvoent and knew that building was somehow going to collapse due to mere FIRES supposedly.wow,wish I had those kind of psychic powers to predict the future like that.of course your never going to hear any of this from the mainstream press since it doesnt fit their official version.
oh and as far as that fairy tale popular mechanics magazine article and that book goes?the people that they claim to be so called independent investigaters who investigated this case,if you bothered to do your homework by reading ALTERNATIVE news sources that report REAL news,instead of listening to crap like what popular mechanics say,you would know what they are saying is very shoddy reporting and deceptive lies and propaganda.That designer that I mentioned earlier who again in 93 said the towers were designed to take hits from MULTIPLE airliners and remain standing.
He was so outraged by the lies of the 9/11 COVERUP commission,that he did some digging into the background of the people who were so called "INDEPENDENT" investigaters,and he discovered that all the people that he came across who were saying that,were as I just metioned,people that do have their own firms,but that these firms have government contracts with the government.those people know that if they criticise the 9/11 COVERUP commission,that they will be lucky if they only lose their jobs and not their lives as well.
so they are hardly independent people with no government ties as that article and book likes to claim.oh and that designer that voiced his displeasure and outrage with the 9/11 commission, who says those towers could only have fallen due to explosives,guess what? after he wrote a letter to NIST critisizing their work,they fired him.thats going on around the country with COUNTLESS people who disagree with the official version,getting fired from their jobs and yet to this date,instead of people getting reprimanded for their incompetence that day like they should have at NORAD and heads not rolling like there should have been,THOSE people and the people who defend the official version,are not only not getting fired,their getting hefty pay raises and promotions as well.wow,some free country the united states is,you critisize the official version,you get fired for voicing your opinion,and here I was thinking that in america you had the freedom to question authority.
I could list all these independent resources and give you the name of that engineer that was fired for critisizing the NIST report but I have learned that people who come on the net,are the worst people to try and reason with on this,that their too close minded and afraid of the truth to want to hear the facts and wont even bother checking out the resources you give them, so **** it.also like all the coincidence theorists do,you didnt even bother addressing my points I brought up in that post I quoted myself on,you just chose to tackle something different since you cant refute it.your obviously not interested in the truth so Im done with you.
Originally posted by Deano
id like someone to tell me what are the odds of drills taking place at the oklahoma, 9/11 and london bombings, predicting the exact scenerio of what happened that day.anybody?
great point.also what are the odds of controlled demolitions-the same outfit that cleaned up the oklahoma city bombing being called AGAIN to clean up 9/11 as well? those 3 events are all tied into each other.
Originally posted by jaden101what logic or science are you employing with this point?...that a material of lower density cant pass through a material of higher density...well that's simply not the case is it...fence posts passing through concrete during tornados for example
A fence post is a solid object versus a plane which is hollwed out due to the fact it is carrying people. A better comparison would be a Beer Can [Since a plane is contructed of the same material minus the engines and their both hollowed] punching a hole through a metal door, but since the example I gave is physically impossible it just goes to show you. But, for the sake of argument, let's assume that it is possible. What the video showed was still impossible, since the plane simply melted into the building. There was was no deceleration, no contortion on the plane, no nothing. . .the plane simply melted right into the building which is impossible. So, it's fake and cannot be used as evidence.
You seriously buy the idea that the plane slammed into the building leaving a plane shaped hole, like some cartoon? It's funny that they expect us to believe that crap when they themselves rag on theorist who mention the planes not penatrating during the pentagon.
Originally posted by jaden101
i presume you mean the michael hezarkani footage...which looking at it...the conspiracy theorists claim that the building from his shot location dont match anywhere they could find in batter park where the footage was filmed...actually they do...the buildings match perfectly...they claim that the trees dont match because the footage they took in 2007...the trees are taller than in the footage michael recorded in 2001...hahaha...imagine that...trees being taller 6 years later....wow...great evidence ehhere's an overlap of the 2 pieces of footage to show what i mean
They do, what do they match with? Show me a vid matching them up please.
No, my discrepancy is with all the video's. They contradict each other terrible and showcase impossible things.
I posted my discrepencies on page 74.
From Page 74:
Originally posted by Classic NES
Contradicting fight Path's:[B]Vs
Note that the Techmac shot is virtuallyt the same is the CBS shot:
Yet, the plane trajectory's are completely different.
YouTube video [/B]
Since I already covered planes melting through buildings, I won't bother to post the rest.
You mind explaining how CNN's vids contradict all the pics shown from the same area during 911?
Im glad that I got wise and decided to spend most of my time at this one conspiracy site because there,the posters are more reasonable and knowledgeable.Here the ignorance of posters got to me so much I HAD to find anopther site.and this one poster there,I just looked at some of his posts today and he really brought up some great stuff that I took notes from on his posts so i cant take credit for THIS post unfortunately.
He goes on to say-No sherlock,9/11 was about control.It was about striking fear into the hearts and minds of the american public so they would not oppose a war with iraq.And everyone knows that these wars are not about freeing these people.Its about OIL.and Oil is about money.Cant anyone of you connect the dots? are you all that blind?
yep they sure are-my words.LOL.
His words again-Money is the one thing that controls us all.Corporations control us all.we are in fact in a prison so wake the **** up.Living in a world where those who have money "paper" have everything,and those who dont,have nothing is a prison.Living in a world "country" that chooses to use a privately owned federal banking system to print their money only to enforce taxes on its citizens to pay off the extremely high debt " when it could be printing the money itself" is a prison.
and this last one here is his BEST post on it,it goes back to 9/11 ad pretty much echos what I have been saying.he goes on to say-
This is not about what you believe.Its about the government not answering the questions,concerns and demands of its citizens and the continuation of the stripping of your freedoms with such initiatives as the patriot act and the national ID card which you'll all have to carry come may 2008.thats what its all about.
MY WORDS here-actually the national ID card was pushed back a couple years I have heard because too many people in congrees opposse it thankfully,but the government is going to keep on trying to push it on us to enslave us,they wont give up.now back to HIS words-The Patriot act was passed without congress being allowed to see it.thats true.MY words there again.LOL.
it took 400 days for the official investigation to even begin,it should have started immediately.After all it was the worst terrorist attack on american soil in US history.That and the fact that all the evidence was immediately processed and shipped over to China before the investigation even begun is what really distresses me the most.
He then goes on and does a brillaint job of talking about the CIA which i was talking about earlier as well saying-The CIA has been using false flag initiatives for a pretext to wars going on forever and your all going to let it happen again if you dont start standing up to your oppressers.
Brilliant chap.I am so glad I started doing more of my postings over at that site on 9/11 where the posters are more knowledgeable and awake to 9/11. theres some ignorant people in denial there as well,they're everywhere but this guy always takes these people to school so it makes it worth while to go there.
on a funny and humourous side of this.I get so disgusted with the people who still to this day defend that fairy tale that you got to keep a sense of humor in it or it will drive you crazy.so on a humorous note,the other night I was watching the show Supernatural which is about these demons from hell that are roaming the earth.These demons are like smoke that invades peoples bodies and they can show their black eyes pop up out of nowhere when they are hiding them behind the hosts human bodies-LOL. In this show,these two guys travel around the country hunting them down and killing them by throwing holy water on the hosts bodies which kills them.
well last night,one of the guys had tracked one of the demons down and was talking to it and he asked -just what is hell like exactly anyways? then that host female body went on to say something like-Well I cant tell you exactly what its like,but we do make reservations for the most evil.
He then goes on to ask- you mean with people such as Dick Cheney? 😆 she then goes on to say-Yes,as a matter of fact, we have a very special reservation for him. 😆 that was priceless. 😄 Cant understand why they didnt include Bushs name in it as well though. 😕 😕
Originally posted by Classic NESYou mind explaining how CNN's vids contradict all the pics shown from the same area during 911?
thats the footage i used for that very picture...both sets of footage...trees were there in both shots...the footage was taken 6 years apart
news flash
trees grow
Im glad that I got wise and decided to spend most of my time at this one conspiracy site because there,the posters are more reasonable and knowledgeable.Here the ignorance of posters got to me so much I HAD to find anopther site.and this one poster there,I just looked at some of his posts today and he really brought up some great stuff that I took notes from on his posts so i cant take credit for THIS post unfortunately.
for "ignorance" read "anyone who posts solid evidence that contradicts my claims"
also...yes it's very wise to only spend your time with people who agree with you...that way you dont have anyone to highlight the problems with your arguments and so you can go through your life thinking you're right
His words again-Money is the one thing that controls us all.Corporations control us all.we are in fact in a prison so wake the **** up.Living in a world where those who have money "paper" have everything,and those who dont,have nothing is a prison.Living in a world "country" that chooses to use a privately owned federal banking system to print their money only to enforce taxes on its citizens to pay off the extremely high debt " when it could be printing the money itself" is a prison.
print money eh?...i wonder if thats been tried before during times of high debt...oh wait....yes it has...and it is susceptible to the same market forces as anything else is...if you increase production...its value goes down...which in the case of money means that each note in your wallet is worth less and hence the cost of everything else goes up
its called inflation...i'm sure you've heard of it...
ONLY one who has idiotic ideas are yourself.thats idiotic to say that it would require "80,OOO" people to work in the towers to do it. laughing it would not take ANYWHERE near these kinds of numbers over a period of months.are you not aware that Bushs brother and cousin were in charge of security for the towers as well? obviously not. and obviously your extremely ignorant about the Bush family.LOL
do you not understand basic english...80,000 worked in the twin towers...its not hard to understand...thus for your "theory" to work it would require all those people to not notice any charges being set to demolish the building....what i didn't say is that it would 80,000 people to do the work...do try and understand you muppet
you were accurate the first time,that it would take MONTHS to do it,not years,just a few months.this operation WAS planned for years by the way,you only listening to the governments version though and not bothering to read alternative newspapers out there committed to REAL news,you would obviously not know that though so there you go.
do you see me putting any theories forward...or simply making your theories look stupid?....exactly....so please dont put words in my mouth
flawed,biased? yeah kinda like the popular mechanics article and book that griffith has actually shreaded to pieces in his books.
he attacked popular mechanics on the basis of who its published by...did he attack any of the scientists who carried out the research the article was based on?....no...of course not...why?...because they were experts in their respective fields...and are far more knowlegable (a word you seem to like alot) in the science behind the investigation that a theology lecturer who even before 9/11 specialised in "american imperialism"
i take it given that you criticize me for not reading some of the books you have then you will have read Ryan Mackey's work relating to Griffin's?
if not its free online here
http://www.jod911.com/drg_nist_review_1_0.pdf
and wrong again as usual when your talking here about the smaller Boeing 757 or what ever the number was back then,it was only slightly smaller than the bigger 767 or whatever the number was that hit it and the smaller one was capable of traveling at speeds faster than the larger 767 which is why they designed it the way they did to withstand the highest speeds.your whole laughable theory of double the mass,accidental collisions,quadriple the force theory falls apart in a video made in 93 where one of the main designers of the towers is on that video from a taped inverview in 93 from the first bombing there,saying they were designed to take MULTIPLE hits from airliners and there would be some damage and a lot of people killed, but the towers would remain standing.
double mass etc isn't scientific theory...its a law of physics...and i watched a documentary with lead architect Minoru Yamasaki where he himself stated what the towers were designed to take because at the time many people feared they were so tall they would get hit...and what he stated was what i stated....