Semptember the 11th

Well, I don't represent the conspiracy movement or any collective beliefs but my own. I may agree with some researches, but that doesn't mean I adhere or represent all their theories.

I never accused the entire U.S. Government of 9/11 or any conspiracy. I suspect certain people or groups within the Military Industrial complex, but that's it. I never made any claims in our debate about professionals being liars or in on it. I dunno who is in on it, If I did then I would say so.

I already did check it, the sycmores is only one point, and it's incredibly weak one at that. Picking at weak evidence points and thinking they refute an argument is a pathetic strawman.

I didn't call you a sheep, I implied that your blind if you cannot notice that it is impossible to have a plane act or approach completely differently on the same shot or that planes do not melt into buildings and leave impact holes after impact.

If you cannot notice what takes simple commonsense, then your incompetent.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Well, I don't represent the conspiracy movement or any collective beliefs but my own. I may agree with some researches, but that doesn't mean I adhere or represent all their theories.

I never accused the entire U.S. Government of 9/11 or any conspiracy. I suspect certain people or groups within the Military Industrial complex, but that's it. I never made any claims in our debate about professionals being liars or in on it. I dunno who is in on it, If I did then I would say so.

I already did check it, the sycmores is only one point, and it's incredibly weak one at that. Picking at weak evidence points and thinking they refute an argument is a pathetic strawman.

I didn't call you a sheep, I implied that your blind if you cannot notice that it is impossible to have a plane act or approach completely differently on the same shot or that planes do not melt into buildings and leave impact holes after impact.

If you cannot notice what takes simple commonsense, then your incompetent.

and i did counter your points...last night...at 3am when i could barely string a thought together...and still done it well enough to refute your "evidence"...even though you still haven't posted anything to prove your claim they are fake

Originally posted by jaden101
i'm not the one putting forward evidence for a conspiracy theory when i dont even know what the theory is or how th evidence supports it....which pretty much sums up your argument

Whatever you say, I know my theory. I'm just not gonna change focus just so you can ignore evidence as always.

and i did counter your points...last night...at 3am when i could barely string a thought together...and still done it well enough to refute your "evidence"...even though you still haven't posted anything to prove your claim they are fake

Must have been really sleepy because all you did was offer half baked explanations that did not even explain nothing.

I posted tons of vids to support my claim, your denial or lying. I vote for the later since your response was for me too offer expert analysis of something so obvious.

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Can you explain how this shot contradicts each other?

Now add the CBS bomber and TEcmac and I'm done.

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Impossible contradiction

you're avoiding the issue completely...address it or be quiet

boy jaden,thanks for showing your memory comprehenison problems you posses,what part of the phrase-"Im done with you." did you not understand there?

since I got cut off and wasnt able to finish the rest of my post here is the rest-You want people to take you serious,then you need to address their points they bring up.I brought up an old post of mine and quoted myself on it and you avoided addressing it by conviently CHANGING the subject to something else.your obviously not interested in the truth because you avoided points like you did with me then changed the subject which Im sure you did in your replys again just now.the only person who read through your moronic posts are yourself.hope you had fun talking to yourself there.

Just because YOU have hours on end to spend on the computer all day long doesnt me others such as myself do.I dont have time to read through that long winded bible length post of yours.Please,NOBODY wants to read the bible when their in a discussion about a topic.That would take me hours on end to read through all that crap. 🙄 which again,I dont have that kind of time due to my busy work schedule to sort through and read through all that crap.

AGAIN seeing how your extremely ignorant about the bush family and how the media works for the government not us,I would never expect you to understand how the 9/11 commission is the 9/11 coverup commission. you lost your credibility BIG TIME with that wild theory of yours that it would take 80,000 people involved to plant the bombs and take down the towers. 😆 😆 wow,thats a new one,never heard THAT one before from the apologists/coincidence theorists such as yourself. 😆 🤣 😆 thousands yes but NOT 80,000. 😆 i'LL NEVER LIVE THAT ONE DOWN. 😆 try more like a couple hundred dude.

SEEING as you conviently avoid addressing points,and making these bible length posts,I wouldnt be surprised if your one of the CIA'S disinformation plants.their out there,they know their fairy tale is falling apart and seeing how your not interested in the truth,I would not be at all surprised if your one of them.you never know.

oh and since you didnt read it before,here it is for you one more time.IM DONE WITH YOU.have fun talking to yourself.again you want me to read through your posts,dont dont write these novels.AGAIN -nobody wants to read the bible here. 🙄 i dont have all these hours in the day that you obviously have to spend all day taking the several hours on end it would take me to read through all that crap you posted. 🙄

Matter of fact.I just took a glance and peek at your ramblings and just as i suspected,you avoided my original post I brought up that that I qouted myself on that shreds to pieces the governments version of events -not to mention you avoided addressing other points of mine of laters posts as well-how convient for you,by AGAIN changing the subject to something else.again how convient for you.thanks for showing everybody how you avoid posts you cant counter. 😆 😛 😛

you remind of LORD xyz who lives in this fantasy world that Bush is evil and corrupted but Clinton is a good president and you cant go wrong voting for the democrats. 😆

he ignores facts about him when they prove clinton is an evil man just like you do about 9/11. 😛

oh and one more thing,I noticed in my glance there you meniton Minoro Yamasaki,he said in the initial first few days after 9/11-Im sure they got to him later to get him to change his testimony,the 9/11 cover up commission follows the same pattern of coverups and lies in the jfk assassination,he said PUBLICLY-I know because a friend of mine who researchs this thing even much more that I do was there and he heard it with his own ears on the news INITITALLY that Yamasaki was saying the towers should have stood. Leslie Roberton the main engineer ALSO said they could sustain multiple hits from airliners.he later changed his testimony after 9/11 so obviously they got to him like they did with yamasaki,but you dont want to find that truth out so its really a waste of my time bothering with you apologists/coincidence theorists,YOU especially with your bible length hours on end posts.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
oh and one more thing,I noticed in my glance there you meniton Minoro Yamasaki,he said in the initial first few days after 9/11-Im sure they got to him later to get him to change his testimony,the 9/11 cover up commission follows the same pattern of coverups and lies in the jfk assassination,he said PUBLICLY-I know because a friend of mine who researchs this thing even much more that I do was there and he heard it with his own ears on the news INITITALLY that Yamasaki was saying the towers should have stood. Leslie Roberton the main engineer ALSO said they could sustain multiple hits from airliners.he later changed his testimony after 9/11 so obviously they got to him like they did with yamasaki,but you dont want to find that truth out so its really a waste of my time bothering with you apologists/coincidence theorists,YOU especially with your bible length hours on end posts.

Minoru Yamasaki died in 1986 you complete and utter moron

i watched a documentary about the world trade centre that has archive footage of him discussing its design strengths

after that blunder by you i really shouldn't bother ever reading ANYTHING else you have to say but out of decency i will

AGAIN seeing how your extremely ignorant about the bush family and how the media works for the government not us,I would never expect you to understand how the 9/11 commission is the 9/11 coverup commission. you lost your credibility BIG TIME with that wild theory of yours that it would take 80,000 people involved to plant the bombs and take down the towers. laughing laughing wow,thats a new one,never heard THAT one before from the apologists/coincidence theorists such as yourself. laughing rolling on floor laughing laughing thousands yes but NOT 80,000. laughing i'LL NEVER LIVE THAT ONE DOWN. laughing try more like a couple hundred dude.

i never actually said that did i...once again you complete and utter moron...i said...now pay attention....THERE WAS 80,000 EMPLOYED BY COMPANIES WHO HAD PREMISES IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE...it would take either active allowance by all these people to allow explosives experts to destroy the building....or it would need the big bad CIA to visit and ensure the silence of all those people....DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW????????

SEEING as you conviently avoid addressing points,and making these bible length posts,I wouldnt be surprised if your one of the CIA'S disinformation plants.their out there,they know their fairy tale is falling apart and seeing how your not interested in the truth,I would not be at all surprised if your one of them.you never know.

i've countered all your arguments...you put your "credible" sources down...i show you how utterly uncredible they are...you should try and do the same for all the people i posted earlier

oh and since you didnt read it before,here it is for you one more time.IM DONE WITH YOU.have fun talking to yourself.again you want me to read through your posts,dont dont write these novels.AGAIN -nobody wants to read the bible here. roll eyes (sarcastic) i dont have all these hours in the day that you obviously have to spend all day taking the several hours on end it would take me to read through all that crap you posted.

burying your head in the sand?...oh the irony

at least have the decency to debate with people who call you out and blow your theories out of the water rather than only reading the people who agree with you

Matter of fact.I just took a glance and peek at your ramblings and just as i suspected,you avoided my original post I brought up that that I qouted myself on that shreds to pieces the governments version of events -not to mention you avoided addressing other points of mine of laters posts as well-how convient for you,by AGAIN changing the subject to something else.again how convient for you.thanks for showing everybody how you avoid posts you cant counter. laughing stick out tongue stick out tongue

the only thing you continued to cite after i posted the PM article was Griffin's book...i posted a link to a counter to Griffin's book...i also posted why Griffin wasn't even qualified to comment on the matter he did...i also posted info regarding who's work Griffin's was based on and how that person has proved to be unreliable

how much more countering do you want me to post???

or is it just you ignoring the....now get this word....FACTS

Originally posted by jaden101
you're avoiding the issue completely...address it or be quiet

I'll simply concede this debate, it's been fun.

The United States Congress, Great Britain, China, Russia, and the United Nations (UN) agreed that Saddam Hussein housed weapons of mass destruction; aside from intelligence, all parties were informed on historical matters--that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Kurds (within his own country) by means of toxic gas. Saddam Hussein even invaded Kuwait for territory, and the United States added the government of Kuwait in response; this was known as the Gulf War. When the Gulf War concluded, Saddam Hussein agreed to disarm. That is what ended the Gulf War, and Saddam Hussein was under contract to allow UN weapon inspectors in Iraq to confirm disarmament processes.

But Saddam Hussein breached the contract, only allowing "specified" locations to be searched, and UN weapons inspectors were given time restraints; on occasions, Saddam Hussein refused to allow UN weapons inspectors to perfom their duties. Saddam Hussein's refusal to comply with a contract--that he agreed upon--proceded in this fashion for over a decade. The Clinton administration was silent on the issue; the Bush administration was not! If Saddam Hussein corrected the situation and allowed UN weapon inspectors to perform duties as prescribed in contract, the Iraq War would have never birthed.

The 9/11 terrorist attacks was not a deep seeded plot to warrant the Iraq War. Islamic fundamentalist hate Americans and any person not in file with Islam. The Twin Towers were attacked when the Clinton administration was in office. Bill Clinton was (again) silent on the issue. Terrorists have atttacked the USS Cole, Marine barracks, and a host of United States embassies, and it all culminated on 9/11. The United States did not invade Iraq for oil; the United States could have ceased all oil refineries during the Gulf War. In any case, the United States receives roughly 80% of its petroleum imports for Saudi Arabia, not Iraq!

And who cares if the United States went to war for oil to begin with?! Without oil, United States import and exports would come to a scretching hault. The economy would collapse, and liberal democrats would have much to fuss about, not to mention all Americans. I assume most people have seen "Fahrenheit 9/11." Do yourselves a favor and watch the movie entitled, "FahrenHYPE 9/11," and get the facts right. The 9/11 terrorist attacks were not staged. This is precisley why newspapers around the world do not print conspiracy propaganda, and can only be read on internet articles created by those with an agenda.

How can Saddam Hussein have weapons of Mass destruction if his weapons were confiscated during the Gulf War and an Embargo was passed on Iraq?

Originally posted by Classic NES
it's been fun.

as it has for me...hope to debate with you again... 👆

Originally posted by Classic NES
How can Saddam Hussein have weapons of Mass destruction if his weapons were confiscated during the Gulf War and an Embargo was passed on Iraq?

during the 1st gulf war (which i assume you refer to) very little of Iraq was actually taken over by allied forces and infact the UN voted against even going as far as Bahgdad so there was a vast amount of land not even seen by allied soldiers so it is easily ascertained that all weapons were not searched, found and/or confiscated....this is cause the mandate was simply to remove Iraq from Kuwait

the issue of the weapons of mass destruction is a very complex one especially in the run up to the Iraq war...and especially in regards to resolution 1441 which i'm sure everyone remembers the controversy over

1441 stated very specifically how the weapons were to be disposed of and under who's supervision and authority...hence there were less weapons documented as having been destroyed than the intelligence indicated had been manufactured

it has since been found that several reasons for the discrepancies came about

1: some weapons were disposed of without being monitored by UN weapons inspectors and were simply poured down drains

2: communications gathered intelligence led to the belief that weapons scientists were being paid by the Hussein regime to manufacture weapons between the gulf wars (in many cases under threat of death) and these scientists subsequently revealed that they had simply taken the money and fled the country....the military supervisors responsible for these scientists were too afraid of the Hussein regime that they reported to the superiors in Baghdad that the weapons were being manufactured on time and to order even though they were not...as reporting that they had lost the scientists they were responsible for would result in execution

3: depleted weapons which had been reported as destroyed by the regime were subsequently found after the invasion of Iraq

much of the action and debate as to whether a separate mandate to invade Iraq hinged on the wording of resolution 1441 which stated that had Iraq not followed the guidelines for destroying the weapons they would suffer "severe consequences"

it did not state whether that meant harsh sanctions, military action...absolutely nothing specific

some people just love talking to themselves I see. 😆 I fail to understand what part of the phrase-IM DONE WITH YOU he doesnt get. 🙄 the apologists always remaining in denial.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
some people just love talking to themselves I see. 😆 I fail to understand what part of the phrase-IM DONE WITH YOU he doesnt get. 🙄 the apologists always remaining in denial.

an apologist to who exactly?...

and "i'm done with you" really translates as "i have no counter for your arguments so i'm just going to bow out ungracefully"

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uh what were you going to say Ashtar?

Originally posted by ushomefree
The United States Congress, Great Britain, China, Russia, and the United Nations (UN) agreed that Saddam Hussein housed weapons of mass destruction; aside from intelligence, all parties were informed on historical matters--that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Kurds (within his own country) by means of toxic gas. Saddam Hussein even invaded Kuwait for territory, and the United States added the government of Kuwait in response; this was known as the Gulf War. When the Gulf War concluded, Saddam Hussein agreed to disarm. That is what ended the Gulf War, and Saddam Hussein was under contract to allow UN weapon inspectors in Iraq to confirm disarmament processes.

But Saddam Hussein breached the contract, only allowing "specified" locations to be searched, and UN weapons inspectors were given time restraints; on occasions, Saddam Hussein refused to allow UN weapons inspectors to perfom their duties. Saddam Hussein's refusal to comply with a contract--that he agreed upon--proceded in this fashion for over a decade. The Clinton administration was silent on the issue; the Bush administration was not! If Saddam Hussein corrected the situation and allowed UN weapon inspectors to perform duties as prescribed in contract, the Iraq War would have never birthed.

The 9/11 terrorist attacks was not a deep seeded plot to warrant the Iraq War. Islamic fundamentalist hate Americans and any person not in file with Islam. The Twin Towers were attacked when the Clinton administration was in office. Bill Clinton was (again) silent on the issue. Terrorists have atttacked the USS Cole, Marine barracks, and a host of United States embassies, and it all culminated on 9/11. The United States did not invade Iraq for oil; the United States could have ceased all oil refineries during the Gulf War. In any case, the United States receives roughly 80% of its petroleum imports for Saudi Arabia, not Iraq!

And who cares if the United States went to war for oil to begin with?! Without oil, United States import and exports would come to a scretching hault. The economy would collapse, and liberal democrats would have much to fuss about, not to mention all Americans. I assume most people have seen "Fahrenheit 9/11." Do yourselves a favor and watch the movie entitled, "FahrenHYPE 9/11," and get the facts right. The 9/11 terrorist attacks were not staged. This is precisley why newspapers around the world do not print conspiracy propaganda, and can only be read on internet articles created by those with an agenda.

Fahrenheit 9/11 is a great tape to see.exposes it all.shows and documents how evil the Bushs are.Both Bush and Clinton are equally to blame for this,they're both in on it.they have a long standing friendship that dates back to when he was clinton was governor of arkansas and bush was vice president under Reagan.

when you say they werent staged,are you saying it wasnt an inside job? because your way off base here if you are.those are world known facts.also the ones that have an agenda are the government to brainwash the people like they have with this jaden poster and the major newspapers? thats all they're doing is printing conspiracy propaganda on 9/11. 😕 everybody that knows something about the government and the media knows that the government serves big businesses and big corporations and that the media is a tool for the government,that they never investigate real news.